Today's trade proposal (10/25)

[elindholm]

Phoenix gets
Kurt Thomas ($5,394,125, player option 2005)

New York gets
Brevin Knight ($5,000,000, 2004)
Casey Jacobsen ($1,011,600, team option 2006)
future first-round pick from Cleveland (lottery protected)

Why Phoenix does it

They get an affordable upgrade at center without giving up much talent. They also save more than $1 million this year, after the luxury tax.

Why New York does it

Since Knight is better than any PG on their roster, they can now buy out Charlie Ward and save several million dollars immediately. They're keeping Ward right now partly because he is their best option (and partly because they haven't been able to trade him).

Thomas is telling everyone he will decline his option year if still with the Knicks, and they don't appear to have any intention of keeping him. With their investments in Mutombo, McDyess, Van Horn, Sweetney, and Lampe, Thomas is clearly the odd man out.

Reports are that the Knicks want another shooting guard. Jacobsen has "potential" and does seem to have improved his game over last season.

The Cleveland pick will give them another young player in a few years, which they desperately need.

 

[slinslin]

Wouldn't New York have to cut another player if they did this?

 

[F-Dog]

By the time the Suns can trade Knight in a package deal, wouldn't it be too late to buy out Ward's contract?

Also, Thomas has said he'll opt out of his contract after this season. If the Suns are building for next year or the year after (which seems to be the case), how are they really benefiting?

 

[slinslin]

They would at least save as much money as they would by keeping Knight and also get rid off Jacobsen's contract.

I though Ward could be bought out until like new year or something.

Why not package Googs and Jacobsen?


New York gets
Tom Gugliotta and Casey Jacobsen

Phoenix gets
Kurt Thomas, Othella Harrington, Travis Knight

Frees up a roster spot for the Knicks as well.

Thomas/Voshkul/Williams
Stoudemire/Harrington
Marion/Zarko
JJ/Penny
Marbury/Barbosa

Cut Robert Archibald and stuff Knight, Trybanski and Knight on the IR.

Plus it still gives Phoenix the possibility to move Brevin Knight to the Clips or Jazz while Googs contract might be more valueable to keep, Brevin Knight or Travis Knight expiring contracts would be easier to move.

 

[Joe Mama]

According to the papers New York is trying to get rid of contracts right now because they have too many players. I doubt they would make any trades that isn't a slamdunk it would have them taking back more players than they give up.

I also don't think they would make this trade because it's just not much compensation for a good big man with an expiring contract.

I would really like to know what Portland paid for Stepania. I doubt it was anything much over $2 million per season, and I know it was a two-year contract. It seems to me the Suns might have been better off just dumping Archibald, signing Stepania, and keeping Brevin Knight and his expiring contract than the rumored Battie deal.

Joe Mama

 

[slinslin]

Battie is definately better than Stepania.

And anyone we could sign with our MLE next offseason should be better than Stepania as well.
There really isn't anything that Stepania can do except that he proved to be a capable rebounder in garbage time.

He has no offense, is rather slow and a stiff.

 

[hcsilla]

Kurt Thomas is NYK's best bigman.They won't deal him IMO, unless they get a good starting PG which Penny is not.
I highly doubt that they would be interested in Jacobsen moreover they seem to be liking Matt Carroll who is the second coming of Jacobsen just much cheaper.

BTW, I don't have any idea why Stepania is one of the most popular players on this board.
He is a smaller and bit more athletic version of Jake Tsakalidis

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Personally, I dont think Kurt Thomas would be any good for this team. We just don't need a PF trying to play center..........

 

[capologist]

I agree with thegrahamcrackr. At a listed 6’9”, 235 lbs., he just won’t cut it as a Western Conference center.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by hcsilla
Kurt Thomas is NYK's best bigman.

What about mutombo, Van Horn, Doleac, and the rookie Sweetney. They have plenty of big men. I think they would deal thomas. They have a lot of height this year.

 

[elindholm]

The Knicks would definitely be open to dealing Thomas. The question is whether another team would be willing to offer a better deal for an undersized big man who may opt out of his contract after this season anyway. I'm not so sure anyone would, but others think differently.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
What about mutombo, Van Horn, Doleac, and the rookie Sweetney. They have plenty of big men.

Did you see the word "best"?

Van Horn is soft, I'm not sure that he qualifies as a bigman.Anyway I would take Thomas over Van Horn.
The other 3 listed players are much worse than Thomas.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by elindholm
The Knicks would definitely be open to dealing Thomas.

That's very debatable, IMO.

Again, Thomas is NYK's best bigman and he has the best contract considering his performance. It seems to be pretty illogical to me that they deal their best and most moveable bigman unless they get a good, starting quality PG.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by hcsilla
That's very debatable, IMO.

Again, Thomas is NYK's best bigman and he has the best contract considering his performance. It seems to be pretty illogical to me that they deal their best and most moveable bigman unless they get a good, starting quality PG.

Since when are the Knicks concerned with keeping their best players not named Allan Houston?

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by hcsilla
Did you see the word "best"?

Van Horn is soft, I'm not sure that he qualifies as a bigman.Anyway I would take Thomas over Van Horn.
The other 3 listed players are much worse than Thomas.

IMO Doleac is much better than kurt thomas.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
IMO Doleac is much better than kurt thomas.

No offense, but that is an absurd statement.

Points per game:
Doleac: 4.4
Thomas: 14.0

Rebounds per game:
Doleac: 3.50
Thomas: 7.90

Blocks per game:
Doleac: .21
Thomas: 1.20

Steals per game:
Doleac: .21
Thomas: 1.00

Field goal %:
Doleac: .426
Thomas: .483

Kurt Thomas is almost 3 times the player that Doleac is.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
No offense, but that is an absurd statement.

Points per game:
Doleac: 4.4
Thomas: 14.0

Rebounds per game:
Doleac: 3.50
Thomas: 7.90

Blocks per game:
Doleac: .21
Thomas: 1.20

Steals per game:
Doleac: .21
Thomas: 1.00

Field goal %:
Doleac: .426
Thomas: .483

Kurt Thomas is almost 3 times the player that Doleac is.

You are only looking at last years stats. Doleac didnt get to play much last year. If you look at the carrer stats Doleac scores more points per game, steals per game, blocks per game, assists per game, and rebounds per game. Your stats dont actually tell what doleac is like if he started. If you actually looked you could see why i said he is a better player than thomas. Doleac is a double double man just about everytime he starts. Thomas is a streaky player.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
You are only looking at last years stats. Doleac didnt get to play much last year. If you look at the carrer stats Doleac scores more points per game, steals per game, blocks per game, assists per game, and rebounds per game. Your stats dont actually tell what doleac is like if he started. If you actually looked you could see why i said he is a better player than thomas. Doleac is a double double man just about everytime he starts. Thomas is a streaky player.

Dude, that's crazy! Doleac has NEVER, in his entire career, ever averaged more than 4.1 rebounds a game and more than 7 points a game!

Thomas, on the other hand, hasn't scored LESS than 7 points per game since 1996!

As for the block numbers, you're just wrong. In the 2 years that Doleac played pretty much full seasons, 99 and 2000, he only had 34 and 41 blocks, respectively. Thomas had 42 in 99, but since then he hasn't had less than 69 blocks in a season.

There is ample proof that Doleac is NOWHERE near as good as Kurt Thomas. It simply is no contest.

But, please, use the excuse that he was injured last year, that's ANOTHER reason why Thomas is better than injury-prone Doleac.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
You are only looking at last years stats. Doleac didnt get to play much last year. If you look at the carrer stats Doleac scores more points per game, steals per game, blocks per game, assists per game, and rebounds per game. Your stats dont actually tell what doleac is like if he started. If you actually looked you could see why i said he is a better player than thomas. Doleac is a double double man just about everytime he starts. Thomas is a streaky player.

What Chap said...

Thomas is a much, much better player. I was shocked that you even said that to begin with.

Thomas' worst year (he was injured that year) is about equal to Doleac's best year:

Points:
KT: 6.3
MD: 7.0

Rebounds:
KT: 5.90
MD: 4.10

FG%:
KT: 371
MD: 452

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
IMO Doleac is much better than kurt thomas.

I like Doleac, but he sure hasn't done anything in New York. I think he could be good for the Suns, and his contract is modest and expires after this season.

Joe Mama

 

[SirStefan32]

Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
Personally, I dont think Kurt Thomas would be any good for this team. We just don't need a PF trying to play center..........

Would you rather have shooting guards and small forwards trying to be Centers?

 

[hcsilla]

Semi-Nostradamus No.1

 

[Cheesebeef]

Semi-Nostradamus No.1

that's a bit of stretch don't you think considering that not only was this two eyars ago with a completely different team, but Kurt Thomas is the only piece of the puzzle that is in the trade.

 

[elindholm]

Well, I guess I had the basic concept right, which is Thomas for a mediocre guard or two. But given the number of trade proposals I come up with, I can't really take credit for any particular foresight here.

 

[fordronken]

Well, I guess I had the basic concept right, which is Thomas for a mediocre guard or two. But given the number of trade proposals I come up with, I can't really take credit for any particular foresight here.

Hahahahahahaha. Well done.