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Have you actually watched the game tape from that one? Mathieu isn't lined up on Austin really more than a play or two.

To be fair, no I haven't, but I did some discussion about the game. Austin had a big game against LSU is probably the more accurate statement without having watched the game.
 

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Special team will be the key to his survival.

There were publications that gave him a third round grade.

Agreed, however Mathieu playing the nickel CB spot at times may cause the team to keep more S's and I see Jefferson as the 4th best to this point. He is making a case at least.
 

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Jefferson made his argument to be on this team last night. Regardless of the talent he was facing, you cannot disregard the effort shown last night.

He went from not in the discussion to right in the middle of the discussion after last night.
 

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made the roster IMO

MJ seems dubious but I'm totally convinced that unless Tony Jefferson totally stinks against the Chargers he's on the 53-man roster. Not only did he grab two interceptions but he made a number of solid tacklers. Not sure why he went undrafted, but the guy showed up big time last night IMO.
 

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Jefferson is what we need - a playmaking centerfielder who's also a reliable open field tackler. Rather than wonder whether he'll make the roster, we might consider whether and when Jefferson moves ahead of Rashad on the depth chart.

All the years we have watched Rashad, I don't see it in him..
 

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From Urban's post game blog:

"Tony Jefferson remains a longshot to make the roster. But the practice squad may be possible. The guy makes two interceptions against the Cowboys and he made a couple in practice this week too. He also was credited with a pair of tackles for loss and a pair of passes defended."

It was just mentioned above that MJ is skeptical about his chances as well -- there's just a log jam of talent in the secondary right now. If he keeps making plays like he did yesterday, he'll be tough for the coaches to ignore though.
 

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From Urban's post game blog:

"Tony Jefferson remains a longshot to make the roster. But the practice squad may be possible. The guy makes two interceptions against the Cowboys and he made a couple in practice this week too. He also was credited with a pair of tackles for loss and a pair of passes defended."

It was just mentioned above that MJ is skeptical about his chances as well -- there's just a log jam of talent in the secondary right now. If he keeps making plays like he did yesterday, he'll be tough for the coaches to ignore though.

Honestly i dont see this big talent in the secondary.outside of peterson
Toler was a better cb in coverage then powers cason ..and rhodes was easily top 5 player in the team
 

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Honestly i dont see this big talent in the secondary.outside of peterson
Toler was a better cb in coverage then powers cason ..and rhodes was easily top 5 player in the team

Not saying there are 10 pro bowlers or anything, but you can make the argument for a lot players over a rookie undrafted free agent in the secondary (excluding Peterson/Bell, who I don't think people question at this point):

- Powers and Cason both have significant starting experience
- Arenas is a vet who has has special teams value and is good in the slot.
- Flemming is a high round pick from last year (though I think he's in trouble)
- Bethel is a special teams dynamo
- Johnson is a former high round pick who showed flashes last year
- Amaya has experience with Bowels and good special teams value
- Honey Badger is a rookie high round pick who has flashed all camp

I like Jefferson's potential and think he was a steal as an UDFA, but it's not like we haven't seen many, many examples of these type of guys making our roster the past few years after a couple of good preseason games and then not doing much of anything when it counted. When push comes to shove, I think Bowels is going to be more comfortable counting on a guy like Amaya over Jefferson -- and that's why I think BA and the media guys who cover this team the most are not making as big a deal out of Jefferson's big game as we are.
 

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Other than Kerry Rhodes (sometimes & when healthy) I don't recall our having a true centerfielder with the ball skills that Jefferson seems to bring.

It has nothing to do with stats, crowded field of talent,,what the beat writers say etc. It's just what I see.
 
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Other than Kerry Rhodes )sometimes & when healthy) I don't recall our having a true centerfielder with the ball skills that Jefferson seems to bring.

It has nothing to do with stats, crowded field of talent,,what the beat writers say etc. It's just what I see.

I agree. I've been wrong before and it is preseason but I was very impressed with Jefferson's play.
 

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Other than Kerry Rhodes )sometimes & when healthy) I don't recall our having a true centerfielder with the ball skills that Jefferson seems to bring.

It has nothing to do with stats, crowded field of talent,,what the beat writers say etc. It's just what I see.

While I agree this team hasn't had a true FS since the days of Ken Greene or Benny Perrin :D, is Jefferson really that guy? Maybe...but imo almost any S with any decent skills shouldve picked off those 2 floaters thrown by Orton IMO. I guarantee you Rolle picks both those ducks. Lets hope the Okie is the answer Jeff, but I'm still not sure he has this team made yet.
 
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Doubt he makes it past waivers. Their best bet if they don't plan on putting him on the 53 man roster might very well be to trade him. However if it comes down to TJ or Amaya I can't for the life me see how the choice would be Amaya. Amaya may be a solid ST guy and all, but TJ has the instincts and physical play that it takes to be a good safety in this league. IMO he is the only guy on the team that has both of those qualities (TM has the instincts, but lacks some of the physicality).
 
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Tony Jefferson is just 21,should be very stupid sacrifice him for a super talent like amaya...
 

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Jefferson had ONE game. ONE preseason game against backups. Let's not go crazy yet but let's elevate him on the depth chart next game and see what he does.
 

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While I agree this team hasn't had a true FS since the days of Ken Greene or Benny Perrin :D, is Jefferson really that guy? Maybe...but imo almost any S with any decent skills shouldve picked off those 2 floaters thrown by Orton IMO. I guarantee you Rolle picks both those ducks. Lets hope the Okie is the answer Jeff, but I'm still not sure he has this team made yet.
You may be right (about almost any S with decent skills picking off those 2 floaters), but the skeptic in me poses the question - "If it was anyone but Jefferson back there for the Cardinals, would they have had the instincts, ball skills and reflexes to jump the route and make those picks? Or would those passes have become incompletions instead of interceptions?

Secondary point - Jefferson was also in on 2 or 3 pretty impressive tackles. Put the interceptions and tackles together and IMHO that's what you'd like in a traditional FS.

Sure we're only looking at one game, but it's a start...
 
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Jefferson had ONE game. ONE preseason game against backups. Let's not go crazy yet but let's elevate him on the depth chart next game and see what he does.

I can see you haven't had your :koolaid: today.

Right now he's done about the same as Tyrann Mathieu, except he didn't give up an 18-yard completion when he gambled on a pick. :D
 

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You may be right (about almost any S with decent skills picking off those 2 floaters, but the skeptic in me poses the question - "If it was anyone but Jefferson back there for the Cardinals, would they have had the instincts, ball skills and reflexes to jump the route and make those picks? Or would those passes have become incompletions instead of interceptions?

Secondary point - Jefferson was also in on 2 or 3 pretty impressive tackles. Put the interceptions and tackles together and IMHO that's what you'd like in a traditional FS.

Sure we're only looking at one game, but it's a start...

Agreed and reports say he had some picks in practice also. If Jefferson had been our 4th round pick in the draft he would be a lock to make the team. I hope he continues his good play next week.
 

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Jefferson had ONE game. ONE preseason game against backups. Let's not go crazy yet but let's elevate him on the depth chart next game and see what he does.

Totally agree.

However if Keim is as smart as many here think he is, he will be on the phone right now tring to close the deal on a trade with Jerry Jones while Jefferson is fresh on his mind. Got to strike while the iron is hot!
 

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Totally agree.

However if Keim is as smart as many here think he is, he will be on the phone right now tring to close the deal on a trade with Jerry Jones while Jefferson is fresh on his mind. Got to strike while the iron is hot!
Jefferson is the closest thing to Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders going!
 

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