Top 13 Mock 3/24/17

[Cbus cardsfan]

When is the last time a QB from the offense that TTech runs had any success in the NFL?

Never and I doubt Mahomes changes that. It would awful to make that pick with Foster and Howard still on the board.

 

[DVontel]

When is the last time a QB from the offense that TTech runs had any success in the NFL?

Never and I doubt Mahomes changes that. It would awful to make that pick with Foster and Howard still on the board.

Doesn't mean it can't happen.

Give this a read. It's a good one.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theringer.com/amp/p/ff45c56d17cd


Also, I'm a Alabama alumni & even though I love Howard, I would be pissed if we took a TE that high, especially since we don't use one that much to begin with.

 

[Mitch]

Doesn't mean it can't happen.

Give this a read. It's a good one.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theringer.com/amp/p/ff45c56d17cd


Also, I'm a Alabama alumni & even though I love Howard, I would be pissed if we took a TE that high, especially since we don't use one that much to begin with.

Great article, DVontel! Thanks for posting it!

Great quarterbacking is often linked to great coaching...like in horse racing...a the chemistry between the racehorse and the jockey is paramount to success.

When two strong and patient wills and work ethics unite...great things can happen.

Bruce Arians is not the kind of coach for every QB. Just as Patrick Mahomes is not the style of QB for everyone. But, their chemistry could be electric.

 

[Buckybird]

When is the last time a QB from the offense that TTech runs had any success in the NFL?

Never and I doubt Mahomes changes that. It would awful to make that pick with Foster and Howard still on the board.

Would I draft him in Rd 1? Nope, based on the Air Raid history & his terrible setup & mechanics. Would I draft him in Rd 2? Yes because he's got some skills, even though he never gets to #45

 

[football karma]

I think it's a logical fallacy to say "because an air raid offense QB hasn't had NFL success to this point, no air raid QB will be a successful NFL QB"

The sample size is so small that it makes conclusions like that worthless.

Further, since just about everyone runs versions of Spread offense/ shotgun / play calls from the sideline -- you eliminate about 80% of college QBs if the really beleive the "spread offense =NFL failure".

There is no question that the spread had made benchmarks like 60% completion % worthless. It takes QBs with marginal skill sets and let's them produce gaudy numbers by throwing dozens of WR screens and shallow crosses.

I think there are legit reasons to be dubious about Mahomes at #13 ( I have them, and I think he is the best prospect for the Cards) -- but coming from a spread offense isn't one of them.

 

[WildBB]

When is the last time a QB from the offense that TTech runs had any success in the NFL?

Never and I doubt Mahomes changes that. It would awful to make that pick with Foster and Howard still on the board.

QB is vital to the teams success moving forward. No guarantee they will or won't work out, but the FO needs to go in a different direction this draft. Foster and Howard are luxury picks, they'd be nice to add, so would one of the premiere CB' s coming out. But I feel we can get a good CB in rd. 2, ILB and TE in rd.3 and comp pick, and those picks would compete for playing time and could start in a year. It's vital they can get a young signal caller in and compete for the stater role in 2018.

 

[cardncubfan]

When is the last time a QB from the offense that TTech runs had any success in the NFL?

Never and I doubt Mahomes changes that. It would awful to make that pick with Foster and Howard still on the board.

There is a first time for everything.

 

[az jam]

When is the last time a QB from the offense that TTech runs had any success in the NFL?

Never and I doubt Mahomes changes that. It would awful to make that pick with Foster and Howard still on the board.

Sorry but that is a poor reason not to take a player.

 

[Buckybird]

I think it's a logical fallacy to say "because an air raid offense QB hasn't had NFL success to this point, no air raid QB will be a successful NFL QB"

The sample size is so small that it makes conclusions like that worthless.

Further, since just about everyone runs versions of Spread offense/ shotgun / play calls from the sideline -- you eliminate about 80% of college QBs if the really beleive the "spread offense =NFL failure".

There is no question that the spread had made benchmarks like 60% completion % worthless. It takes QBs with marginal skill sets and let's them produce gaudy numbers by throwing dozens of WR screens and shallow crosses.

I think there are legit reasons to be dubious about Mahomes at #13 ( I have them, and I think he is the best prospect for the Cards) -- but coming from a spread offense isn't one of them.

A small size small? This version of the Air Raid offense has been around for nearly 20 years & zero QBs have had any success in the NFL whatsoever...zilch!!! Leach, Dykes & Holgerson have taught the system so it's 3 fold in terms of failure.

Sure there's always a first to break a trend, but history is against it. I think Mahomes has some skills but there's no way if I'm a GM I'm spending a 1st rounder on him for the reasons above.

 

[Buckybird]

Sorry but that is a poor reason not to take a player.

Thanks for posting here Geno Smith. Lol

It's a legit reason & concern IMO. Where was all the luv & hype for Mahomes during the season which really just occurred during the combine? QBs skyrocket up boards because of the necessity to have 1 or else you can't compete for championships, thus they get over drafted. It's a tough call that ultimately costs a coach his job when that QB fails.

 

[cardncubfan]

Doesn't mean it can't happen.

Give this a read. It's a good one.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theringer.com/amp/p/ff45c56d17cd


Also, I'm a Alabama alumni & even though I love Howard, I would be pissed if we took a TE that high, especially since we don't use one that much to begin with.

Great read. Thanks for posting DV.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

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That's quite an arm

 

[cardncubfan]

↑ If he is there at 13 the Cards will pick him imho..

 

[Buckybird]

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That's quite an arm

Didn't JaBustus Russell do the same thing? This video means nothing towards if the guy can play at a high level in the NFL. Just sayin

 

[DVontel]

No problem Mitch & CNCUB!

I'm not going to lie, I usually hold the same judgment like CBus & Bucky when it comes to Air-RAID QBs, but there is just something about Mahomes that makes me think he will be really good in the league if he doesn't go to a downright awful situation. I honestly think he will be the exception when it comes to Air-Raid QBs.

 

[TheCardFan]

It would be interesting to go back 2,3,4,5 years on this board and see how we all felt about QB's heading into those drafts. How many times did each of us get behind a QB like we are this year with Watson, Kizer, Mahomes, Webb, etc...only to be disappointed?

I can't evaluate an NFL QB and admit that I wanted Connor Cook last year (he still has time .

 

[Southpaw]

Doesn't mean it can't happen.

Give this a read. It's a good one.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theringer.com/amp/p/ff45c56d17cd


Also, I'm a Alabama alumni & even though I love Howard, I would be pissed if we took a TE that high, especially since we don't use one that much to begin with.

Yup. I believe Mahomes could have thrived in any college system. I see Mahomes and think of Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Mitch]

Yup. I believe Mahomes could have thrived in any college system. I see Mahomes and think of Aaron Rodgers.

Or Matthew Stafford.

 

[Southpaw]

Or Matthew Stafford.

or Phillip Rivers. Multiple arm angles. Throws on the move. Gunslinger mentality. His dance moves in the pocket are awe inspiring. He accomplished all those numbers with a horrible O line and midget receivers. With an NFL O line and decent skill players, he could thrive.

 

[football karma]

Throwing 65 yards from his knees? Fine, but Kyle Boller did the same thing and didn't amount to much

What I like about Mahomes is how the arm strength is employed: When the play breaks down, he keeps his eyes down field and delivers accurate throws almost regardless of base or mechanics.

It's also why I tend to discount (some) the complaints about poor mechanics. Even given poor mechanics, he throws with velocity and accuracy. Unlike, let's say, Logan Thomas where the story was "if we fix the mechanics, the accuracy will come".

I've given lots of comps to current NFL players -- but someone else compared Mahomes to Matt Stafford -- and I think that is pretty solid. You just hope that it wouldn't take Mahomes the 6 years it's taken Stafford to grow out of the penchant for the WTF int he was known for.

 

[Mitch]

Throwing 65 yards from his knees? Fine, but Kyle Boller did the same thing and didn't amount to much

What I like about Mahomes is how the arm strength is employed: When the play breaks down, he keeps his eyes down field and delivers accurate throws almost regardless of base or mechanics.

It's also why I tend to discount (some) the complaints about poor mechanics. Even given poor mechanics, he throws with velocity and accuracy. Unlike, let's say, Logan Thomas where the story was "if we fix the mechanics, the accuracy will come".

I've given lots of comps to current NFL players -- but someone else compared Mahomes to Matt Stafford -- and I think that is pretty solid. You just hope that it wouldn't take Mahomes the 6 years it's taken Stafford to grow out of the penchant for the WTF int he was known for.

I agree with all of your posts about the spread and am of the mindset that strong armed, mobile QBs like Mahomes can thrive in an NFL offense, given good coaching and a strong supporting cast.

The irony is that BA loves his own version of the spread. Having a QB like Mahomes, who is at least somewhat comfortable and familiar with the spread, albeit on a less sophisticated level, is a plus. What fascinates me is that we have never seen BA's offense with a mobile QB. In my opinion, with a mobile QB who is skilled at improvising, BA's offense could be stellar. A mobile QB will slow the pass rush down and it will force the defense to play more zones than usual, out of fear of leaving portions of the field vacated for a QB to scramble through for chunk yards.

 

[Lagerfilled]

A couple interesting tidbits from Wolf the other morning:

1) Cards FO & BA "really" like Mahomes. Not a smokescreen. They also like Trubisky, Watson, & Webb, just not as much as Mahomes.

2) They continue to be enamored with Foster as an ultra alpha ILB. Regardless of character or Xs & Os, just watch him on film.

3) Lastly Wolf mentioned "watch out" for Forrest Lamp at 13. They see a Zach Martin type after missing on Coop. A guy who can play all 5 positions up and down the OL.

4) They believe that they can get strong DBs, WRs, & TE later in the draft.

 

[Mitch]

A couple interesting tidbits from Wolf the other morning:

1) Cards FO & BA "really" like Mahomes. Not a smokescreen. They also like Trubisky, Watson, & Webb, just not as much as Mahomes.

2) They continue to be enamored with Foster as an ultra alpha ILB. Regardless of character or Xs & Os, just watch him on film.

3) Lastly Wolf mentioned "watch out" for Forrest Lamp at 13. They see a Zach Martin type after missing on Coop. A guy who can play all 5 positions up and down the OL.

4) They believe that they can get strong DBs, WRs, & TE later in the draft.

Great stuff, Lagerfilled! Thanks for posting these tidbits.

I guess the question is, do they rate QB Mahomes (or any of the other QBs) higher than ILB Foster and/or G Lamp?

 

[Hypothesis]

Oh God no. Name me 1 QB drafted out of Notre Dame in the last 40 years not named Joe Montana who became a viable starter?

So what you are saying is, you wouldn't draft any of the top QB's in this draft right?

 

[overseascardfan]

Yup. I believe Mahomes could have thrived in any college system. I see Mahomes and think of Aaron Rodgers.

I see a bigger Russell Wilson.

Great stuff, Lagerfilled! Thanks for posting these tidbits.



I guess the question is, do they rate QB Mahomes (or any of the other QBs) higher than ILB Foster and/or G Lamp?

Man I hope we don't take Lamp at #13, trade down and get more picks if you really want him.