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I'm sorry, I thought I posted something like this. This is not an attempt to recreate the Cards board, just a general ranking.

Garrett
Thomas
Adams
Allen
Hooker
Foster
Williams
Davis
Humphrey
Fournette
Barnette
Mccaffrey
Reddick
Ramczyk
Cook
Peppers
Watson
Trubisky
Conley
Lattimore

Sorry there's nothing revolutionary here. I think the top of this draft is fairly clear.
 

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I'm sorry, I thought I posted something like this. This is not an attempt to recreate the Cards board, just a general ranking.

Garrett
Thomas
Adams
Allen
Hooker
Foster
Williams
Davis
Humphrey
Fournette
Barnette
Mccaffrey
Reddick
Ramczyk
Cook
Peppers
Watson
Trubisky
Conley
Lattimore

Sorry there's nothing revolutionary here. I think the top of this draft is fairly clear.
I think Garrett will be a bust. Just got that feeling he's been over hyped
 

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I'm sorry, I thought I posted something like this. This is not an attempt to recreate the Cards board, just a general ranking.

Garrett
Thomas
Adams
Allen
Hooker
Foster
Williams
Davis
Humphrey
Fournette
Barnette
Mccaffrey
Reddick
Ramczyk
Cook
Peppers
Watson
Trubisky
Conley
Lattimore

Sorry there's nothing revolutionary here. I think the top of this draft is fairly clear.

So if you were to recreate a portion of the Cards Top 120 board based on what info you have and what they typically value, how would you stack say their first 45?

For example, would Garrett be at the top or even on their board at all? Given we already have Jones and Golden starting? Or is it strictly draft grade order?
 
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So if you were to recreate a portion of the Cards Top 120 board .........

Then he would be getting paid to do this for a living <-- Very wise guy answer. :D

A top 120? My goodness that would be really hard, especially in this draft. You would have to figure out the top 10 cornerbacks in this draft, and good luck with that, when a guy like Tez Tabor is rated 1st round in one opinion, and 4th round in another.
 

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Harry:

where do you think the drop off is in the first round?

In some years, it felt like spot 5 or 6

this year it feels like..........10 or so ( likely my paranoia)
 

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I'm sorry, I thought I posted something like this. This is not an attempt to recreate the Cards board, just a general ranking.

Garrett
Thomas
Adams
Allen
Hooker
Foster
Williams
Davis
Humphrey
Fournette
Barnette
Mccaffrey
Reddick
Ramczyk
Cook
Peppers
Watson
Trubisky
Conley
Lattimore

Sorry there's nothing revolutionary here. I think the top of this draft is fairly clear.

Where do you have OJ Howard?
 

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Lattimore at #20 (3rd best corner). Is that due to his lack of experience/injury history or due to what you see on tape?

People of late have really been breaking Lattimore down and are stating he gets lazy with his technique

Here is one...
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Harry, what makes the Draft so much fun, is that two or three of the first round picks come out of left field, or at least outside of the top 20, or the top 32 for that matter. I agree your top 20 tracks with most that I've read. I would be interested if you or anyone else could give your surprise top 20 pick.
 

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Harry, what makes the Draft so much fun, is that two or three of the first round picks come out of left field, or at least outside of the top 20, or the top 32 for that matter. I agree your top 20 tracks with most that I've read. I would be interested if you or anyone else could give your surprise top 20 pick.

I know my name isn't Harry, but I'd say Budda Baker. He's a size, speed, attitude match of the tenacious Earl Thomas, a classic center fielder who will come up and lay the wood.
 

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Harry, what makes the Draft so much fun, is that two or three of the first round picks come out of left field, or at least outside of the top 20, or the top 32 for that matter. I agree your top 20 tracks with most that I've read. I would be interested if you or anyone else could give your surprise top 20 pick.

Excellent board, Harry! I think you pretty much nailed it.

Garth---my surprise top 20 pick is DE/OLB Charles Harris of Missouri. His game tapes are outstanding. He's a faster, quicker, equally tenacious Markus Golden.
 

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I can see either Zach Cunningham, Taco Charlton or Garret Bolles as being surprise top 20 picks. Hopefully their is a suprise in the top 12 and a couple of RBs and QBs go before the cards and allows them to trade down an pick up an extra third or fourth.
 

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I'm not sure if it will be a surprise but I'm sure some team will panic and take a QB like Mahomes or Kizer in the top 20 picks.
 
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Lots to answer. Garrett would top the Cards' board. Normally you keep people on your board even if you think they'll be gone when you pick. They could drop due to some stupid rumor and you'd have to decide whether to take him or not; see Nkemdiche.

I debated Howard at 20. There's quite a few good TEs in this draft, though Howard is the best. Baker would be round 1. Others like him more than me. Cunningham seems to be dropping inversely to Reddick's rise.

I warned you CBs are all over the place. Lattimore is very raw and will get beat often if you put him at the number 2 corner now. It's true he has the skills to be great, but I see too many CBs get their confidence destroyed by getting beat too much. Keep in mind his performance was helped by Conley taking the toughest receiver. Lattimore has tons of flaws but is so athletic everyone seems to assume he can overcome them. His hip aren't smooth, I sometimes see a hitch. He doesn't sense when to turn his head. They burn you in the Pros for that. He tends to grab speed receivers. He hesitates to chase when beat. Finally he seems to have tight hamstrings.

I'm not sure any rookie CB is plug & play. Humphrey is tough-minded, talented, but also needs to learn much. He's outstanding in run support. He's a true outside corner working better in space. Shows sophistication in route recognition. He's very durable and you know I love legacy players.
 

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Lots to answer. Garrett would top the Cards' board. Normally you keep people on your board even if you think they'll be gone when you pick. They could drop due to some stupid rumor and you'd have to decide whether to take him or not; see Nkemdiche.

I debated Howard at 20. There's quite a few good TEs in this draft, though Howard is the best. Baker would be round 1. Others like him more than me. Cunningham seems to be dropping inversely to Reddick's rise.

I warned you CBs are all over the place. Lattimore is very raw and will get beat often if you put him at the number 2 corner now. It's true he has the skills to be great, but I see too many CBs get their confidence destroyed by getting beat too much. Keep in mind his performance was helped by Conley taking the toughest receiver. Lattimore has tons of flaws but is so athletic everyone seems to assume he can overcome them. His hip aren't smooth, I sometimes see a hitch. He doesn't sense when to turn his head. They burn you in the Pros for that. He tends to grab speed receivers. He hesitates to chase when beat. Finally he seems to have tight hamstrings.

I'm not sure any rookie CB is plug & play. Humphrey is tough-minded, talented, but also needs to learn much. He's outstanding in run support. He's a true outside corner working better in space. Shows sophistication in route recognition. He's very durable and you know I love legacy players.
so you are saying we already have Lattimore starting at #2
 
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We've had mediocre 2nd corners for years. Lattimore might be decent, but he'll be better if he goes to a team where he can be worked in gradually. I'm not in the majority, but I think Humphrey will hold up better if asked to play immediately. Legacy players have a better acceptance of paying their dues. In the case of corners mental durability is critical.
 

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I'm not sure any rookie CB is plug & play. Humphrey is tough-minded, talented, but also needs to learn much. He's outstanding in run support. He's a true outside corner working better in space. Shows sophistication in route recognition. He's very durable and you know I love legacy players.

I hope everyone reads this, because there is very little confidence in Brandon Williams right now. I can see why, but most, me included are leaning towards drafting the CB first this year.

That might not be how BA and SK are viewing it. They should address the spot, but it might not be the first pick, even though CB may be their greatest need.. I think they want impact with the 1st pick right away and that may be a different position.
 

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I hope everyone reads this, because there is very little confidence in Brandon Williams right now. I can see why, but most, me included are leaning towards drafting the CB first this year.

That might not be how BA and SK are viewing it. They should address the spot, but it might not be the first pick, even though CB may be their greatest need.. I think they want impact with the 1st pick right away and that may be a different position.

Thank Harry...that was great info.

Agreed....changed my view as well. It would be sweet to get King in the 2nd or Tabor in the 3rd.
 
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I know I asked the question, but the surprise guy who could move into the top 20, maybe even to #13 is one mentioned above by outcent13 is Zach Cunningham.
 

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I know I asked the question, but the surprise guy who could move into the top 20, maybe even to #13 is one mentioned above by outcent13 is Zach Cunningham.
Garth - Maybe I'm missing something but my perception is that Cunningham is moving down the charts and not upward.
 

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Garth - Maybe I'm missing something but my perception is that Cunningham is moving down the charts and not upward.

Cunningham is a very good athlete---love the speed and range. The problem is his pad level. He's more of an arm tackler who tries to tackle high. In the NFL he is going to have a hard time making the high tackles he made (and missed) at Vandy.
 

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Cunningham is a very good athlete---love the speed and range. The problem is his pad level. He's more of an arm tackler who tries to tackle high. In the NFL he is going to have a hard time making the high tackles he made (and missed) at Vandy.

Can that be taught at the NFL level? If so, Cunningham could be really good. His name is not being discussed like it used to be, so he may fall down the draft board. He would be a steal for us in the 2nd round but 99% sure he won't make it.

If Foster and Davis are gone...I wouldn't mind a trade down for Cunningham. If we got an extra #2, I would feel a lot better about taking a shot at QB.
 
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