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Trade Bledsoe instead of Knight?
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Where's the option for trading both of them?
Knight just sucks as a player and Bledsoe is one of the most injury prone players in the league.
With this draft being deep in PGs plus Ulis having showed promise, let's just trade both.
And for the sake of sanity, I hope we don't trade Bledsoe and keep Knight to increase his trade value. It's time to just accept that we won't get anywhere close to the value of the Lakers pick for Knight ever.
Knight just sucks as a player and Bledsoe is one of the most injury prone players in the league.
With this draft being deep in PGs plus Ulis having showed promise, let's just trade both.
And for the sake of sanity, I hope we don't trade Bledsoe and keep Knight to increase his trade value. It's time to just accept that we won't get anywhere close to the value of the Lakers pick for Knight ever.
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I'd trade either or both for the right deal. The Suns don't have a single player that's untouchable.
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Someone needs to mentor the rookie, even if it's just to the 1st post-draft trade period, and Bledsoe is better for that.
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Oops. 'Guess I need to proofread a little better. I could have typed it teener guard . . . which Booker was. Or tweaker guard, making just a few small adjustments. Or maybe just tweener guard.
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Oops. 'Guess I need to proofread a little better. I could have typed it teener guard . . . which Booker was. Or tweaker guard, making just a few small adjustments. Or maybe just tweener guard.
BC, you are ahead of the times.
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Trade knight for anything.
Trade Bledsoe to play with his best bud Lebron. Get two unprotected firsts in 2021 and 2023. This gm is all for trading future firsts to make certain they maximize lebron's time in Cleveland. When those picks become due lebron is retired and no FA in their right mind is going to Cleveland without lebron (see Cleveland before lebron returned). They will be dreadful for years and we will reap the benefits. Think the deal the Pistons made years ago where they won the. Hampionshio and ended up with the 2nd pick in the draft (I believe from Vancouver). THEY of course blew it taking Darko, but they could have added Carmelo, Wade, or Bosh to a championship team!
Trade Bledsoe to play with his best bud Lebron. Get two unprotected firsts in 2021 and 2023. This gm is all for trading future firsts to make certain they maximize lebron's time in Cleveland. When those picks become due lebron is retired and no FA in their right mind is going to Cleveland without lebron (see Cleveland before lebron returned). They will be dreadful for years and we will reap the benefits. Think the deal the Pistons made years ago where they won the. Hampionshio and ended up with the 2nd pick in the draft (I believe from Vancouver). THEY of course blew it taking Darko, but they could have added Carmelo, Wade, or Bosh to a championship team!
Trade both is what I would have chosen. Although, again only if it moves us up in the draft or gets us a high impact player in return.
I don't think anyone here is under the assumption that the team should hang onto Bledsoe throughout his contract or longer than that but he has actual value and you only deal him if it makes sense and we get quality assets back. Knight on the other hand can be moved for a 2nd rounder and I think the majority here would be ok with that. The trade to bring him in was bad and hanging onto him until his value is high enough to bring back a quality 1st round pick is highly unlikely. It wouldn't make the trade that brought him here good either.
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Trading Knight is pointless right now...He has no trade value and his contact isn't holding the Suns back because we are years away from anything. We have time to work with him.
Bledsoe on the the other hand has good trade value and could fetch us something interesting. Bled is 27 and is on a different timeline than the core we are building around. He has had some durability issues in the past...plus keeping him only messes with our drafts.
Bledsoe on the the other hand has good trade value and could fetch us something interesting. Bled is 27 and is on a different timeline than the core we are building around. He has had some durability issues in the past...plus keeping him only messes with our drafts.
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This is true. Knight is not worth much in trade, his presence is not hurting except maybe to aid in the tank for the moment. His minutes have been limited as of late while his efficiency has improved. There is really no where to go with his value but up. If we get a decent offer, we can trade him, but there is no urgency.
There is no urgency to trade Bledsoe either. His play has been very good. The time to trade Bledsoe, if at all, is after the draft. If we end up with a quality pg then trading him would make sense. It might even make sense to wait until we see if a newly drafted pg is actually going to pan out.
Trading PJ makes sense. His deal is up this summer. If we really like him and want him back we can trade him now and still sign him back this summer. In fact, we could probably even sell PJ on that plan.
"We are going to loan you out for a few months. You get to have a playoff run and showcase your talents. We get a pick or something in return and you get to return to a better team in the fall." That's if we WANT to pay PJ $10 mil plus, which I don't think we want to do.
Trading Chandler makes sense if it nets us something of real value in return. Tyson is really nice to have around. He is a teacher and wants to be here. I can see him being with the Suns after his playing days. He is also healthy and has 3-4 years left I believe. He is a better fit with a team with a 3-4 year window--Cavs, Griz, Thunder, even the Rockets.
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Bledsoe has been unselfish and a leader, he has spoken highly of the franchise and has been organizing off season workouts with the his teammates. He is our highest profile player and, as of now, he is a happy player. We start shopping him and we could do serious damage to that relationship and further damage our rep with players around the league. IMO we only even consider moving Bledsoe if he comes to the team and says he wants to go to a contender (or unless it's part of a trade that nets us a true star... which no franchise gets hard feelings for). Dumping him for some future picks (which would probably be to a contender and therefore be crappy picks) would be counter productive.
I actually think the team, right now, is not far off from being a playoff contender, and with the maturation of a bunch of our young guys, the picks we have going forward (we're still on track for a top 3 pick this year), we going down a good path for the future. Let Booker, Chriss and Bender continue to grow, let them learn from quality vets like Chandler and Bledsoe, strengthen the bench, hopefully strike gold in the draft this summer. And we'd still have all our own picks and some juicy ones from Miami down the road.
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Whew, good thing Cleveland won't be aware of that. Remind me how we keep them from finding out?
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By not telling them. We simply fool them and even after the trade we will keep our mouth shut and only laughing deep down inside.
Too bad the days are gone when you could deal with GM's like Isiah Thomas and Billy King, although while Divac and Ranadive is active, there is still hope.
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I get the snarkiness and reason therefor, but take a look at what that gm has done. He's not afraid to leverage the future for the present. He's also under pressure from lebrons constant whining for what . . . another playmaker. What's bledsoe . . . another playmaker, and even better than that . . . one of lebrons buddies. If they could make it happen I'm confident it would happen. And no one would fault the Suns for that move.
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Seriously guys, take a look at their gm's actions. He's all about selling the future for the present. And frankly, I don't blame him. A market like the cavs doesn't get the opportunity for championships often. When that window is open you have to do everything you can to win as many as you can. Those championships will buy a lot of grace following the window snapping shut.
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And he's one of the best rebounders in the league and anchoring the post. And he's in great condition and playing as young as ever. As well as being the mentor to a young team as you mentioned.
Unless we get a younger established Center from a team who is loaded at that position (are there any?), he is of value to the Suns in many ways and, most importantly, will be a factor on the court to our young players. Now if we had Point Guards who knew how to pass to a Center, that would be the icing on the cake.
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That's fair. It's possible they'd go for it; their fans would want them to, anyway.
I think the bigger question is whether it's possible to fool the Cavs into believing that Bledsoe would help them much, regardless of the cost. Bledsoe isn't a playmaker, so what does he bring to the table that addresses a real need? On-the-ball defense, maybe?
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I've said it before but yeah this is the only reason now that I would trade Bledsoe. He's one of the least reliable starting PGs in the NBA because his body and specifically, his knees, can't take the rigorous activity of playing NBA basketball for two seasons consecutively without injury.
Actual play wise, he's outstanding besides the occasional game where he takes the night off but that's becoming less and less.
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Here is something else... Bledsoe is a very good player and we all like him BUT he's not the type of franchise player that other players are clamoring to play with. What I'm getting at is...We are no longer a free agent destination and we haven't been for a lot of years cuz frankly...we suck. If the Suns don't draft extremely well then we are absolutely screwed! Bled is our enemy in that department....His value is peaking right now....Time to cash in.
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Yeah, I would not be at all surprised if Cleveland made some similar such deal and desperately mortgaged the future for the present. Contenders do it all the time (cough, Nash Suns, cough). But I also wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland is still able to ride LeBron (and his ability to lure in other quality talent) for another 6+ seasons of 50-60 win basketball, in fact... I expect they will.
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we would have to get an incredible offer for Bledsoe to move him.. a Dragic-like trade with Cleveland wouldn't be enough especially since it is very unlikely for Cleveland to be so bad by 2021. They are contenders for at least 3 more years and after Lebron they would still have Irving and Love.
He is putting up basically equal numbers to Jimmy Butler, Paul George and is the same age, cheaper and his injury history is overstated considering none of his knee injuries were actually serious, each was expected to fully recover and one of the procedures are nothing more than clean-up on the previous.
He is putting up basically equal numbers to Jimmy Butler, Paul George and is the same age, cheaper and his injury history is overstated considering none of his knee injuries were actually serious, each was expected to fully recover and one of the procedures are nothing more than clean-up on the previous.
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We had no problem in the free agent market in recent years despite sucking, we even got in the conversation with some star talent.
Also Bledsoe does not need to be our franchise player, he is on an allstar level that is good enough and he finds ways to contribute without dominating the ball too (rebounds, blocks, steals, defense).
We could realistically be playoff team next year and Bledsoe is only 27.
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I think I agree with this. Trading Bledsoe would eventually bring regrets and accusations about GM incompetence.
If the Suns traded Bledsoe this year I could see it being another IT sort of trade where a lot of fans are ok or happy with it but in a year or two they'll call it one of the worst trades the Suns have ever made. We'd need to get a player with All-Star potential for him and I don't see any team being that excited to bring in a player like Bledsoe in return for a good to great prospect.
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