Trade Diaw Ideas

[asudevil83]

has anyone got any bright ideas on how we could possibly move Diaw for Nene/Ratliff/Ben wallace ? Those 3 are probably the most attainable big men who can rebound and defend for us. i'm no good with coming up with trades though i have been playing with the trade machine a bit.

Denver has the talent but can't seem to get it together so maybe making a move (nene) would help? Minnesota is going nowhere so the veteran ratliff won't help them out. his defense/rebounding could be of some use to us at times though he is as slow as the day is long. Chicago is probably the team most in need of a trade. They need some kind of inside scorer, so maybe trading ben for a more offensive player (diaw) would help?

just some thoughts.

Minny is rebuilding, so a $12mil expiring contract has 1,000x more value than an under producing 5 years $45mil guy. Minny needs to rid themselves of their crap contracts, not take more on.

 

[CaptainInsano]

would WE do it. Artest can opt out after this season. would we risk having both Marion and Artest opting out after next season, with no first round picks? THAT would be a disaster.

So you are saying we want to keep the ATL pick incase marion opts and we want to use it to swing a sign and trade (marion) deal for another player correct because otherwise there isn't much point with a #12+ pick. I just hope you are not saying that if marion opts, having a first rounder to draft a rookie with would make some kind of difference helping the team?

The whole problem with the sign and trade thing is that is now we need to match salaries, and at that point including the atl pick seems somewhat nonsensical. If a team wants to get marion on a sign and trade from us in a salary swap they should be giving US a pick, even if it is a 2nd rounder.

Marion might not be held in the highest esteem here but he is an allstar, stat stuffer, and 2nd place DPOY. If we do a sign and trade swap marion for another teams useful player(s) then we should be getting at least a 2nd rounder. If we do a marion for another player of around marion caliber in a sign and trade swap there should be no picks involved.

I don't know in what type of deal we would be swapping marion for players and want to include the atlanta pick. Marion for Kobe for example?

So going off the idea that marion/artest will opt really doesn't change much as far as the pick is concerned in my opinion. If marion opts and we stick with diaw, what difference is a #12 pick we draft going to make? Sarver will just sell it for cash at that point anyway and everybody knows it.

For me the artest trade is a win for us, if he plays like crap we are only stuck with him through next year if he takes the option, if he plays very well this year (and then we would probably win a championship at that point since diaw does nothing) and opts we can sign an extension.

The stupid pick is going to be #12+ and nobody ever wants to trade anymore because of the stupid salary cap + luxury tax anyway. So why not take the chance at getting over the hump with artest?! Why not?!?!

If he doesn't want the extension we will have a decent amount of cap room from marions 17 million and artests 8.4 million off the books, oh, and probably having an nba trophy from winning this year with artest putting us over the hump kinda makes it a better wouldn't ya think.

I just don't understand why you would want to stand pat with worthless Diaw and a #12+ pick. Marions going to opt? Well there is not much we can do about it anyway with the salary cap and other teams reluctance to do anything in trade. Having Barfis Diawful eating 9 million of the planet orange pumpkin pie while drafting a #12+ isn't going to change jack squat. The #12 isn't going to fill marions shoes whatsoever (but it will fill sarvers pockets I can gaurantee you that) and we will have the MLE, whoop dee fricking doo.

 

[asudevil83]

So you are saying we want to keep the ATL pick incase marion opts and we want to use it to swing a sign and trade (marion) deal for another player correct because otherwise there isn't much point with a #12+ pick. I just hope you are not saying that if marion opts, having a first rounder to draft a rookie with would make some kind of difference helping the team?

The whole problem with the sign and trade thing is that is now we need to match salaries, and at that point including the atl pick seems somewhat nonsensical. If a team wants to get marion on a sign and trade from us in a salary swap they should be giving US a pick, even if it is a 2nd rounder.

Marion might not be held in the highest esteem here but he is an allstar, stat stuffer, and 2nd place DPOY. If we do a sign and trade swap marion for another teams useful player(s) then we should be getting at least a 2nd rounder. If we do a marion for another player of around marion caliber in a sign and trade swap there should be no picks involved.

I don't know in what type of deal we would be swapping marion for players and want to include the atlanta pick. Marion for Kobe for example?

So going off the idea that marion/artest will opt really doesn't change much as far as the pick is concerned in my opinion. If marion opts and we stick with diaw, what difference is a #12 pick we draft going to make? Sarver will just sell it for cash at that point anyway and everybody knows it.

For me the artest trade is a win for us, if he plays like crap we are only stuck with him through next year if he takes the option, if he plays very well this year (and then we would probably win a championship at that point since diaw does nothing) and opts we can sign an extension.

The stupid pick is going to be #12+ and nobody ever wants to trade anymore because of the stupid salary cap + luxury tax anyway. So why not take the chance at getting over the hump with artest?! Why not?!?!

If he doesn't want the extension we will have a decent amount of cap room from marions 17 million and artests 8.4 million off the books, oh, and probably having an nba trophy from winning this year with artest putting us over the hump kinda makes it a better wouldn't ya think.

I just don't understand why you would want to stand pat with worthless Diaw and a #12+ pick. Marions going to opt? Well there is not much we can do about it anyway with the salary cap and other teams reluctance to do anything in trade. Having Barfis Diawful eating 9 million of the planet orange pumpkin pie while drafting a #12+ isn't going to change jack squat. The #12 isn't going to fill marions shoes whatsoever (but it will fill sarvers pockets I can gaurantee you that) and we will have the MLE, whoop dee fricking doo.

trading for artest makes a whole bunch of sense right now for us. he has the ability to put us over the hump.

BUT trading for artest has the potential to kill us next season and follwing seasons. we COULD have Marion opt out, we COULD have Artest opt out, and we would be without a first round pick.

we have the potential to be stuck and the cap limit, with no monies to spend to add real talent, and no opportunity to build through the draft.

as i see it, right now the suns are going to be in decent trouble if Marion leaves, and trading for artest has the potential to turn the suns into the Wolves.....having a superstar talent with no way to build around him.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Diaw for Miller Lite.

 

[dodie53]

Diaw for Miller Lite.

mike?

 

[devilalum]

Here's Bill Simmon's list of the worst NBA contracts.

25. Quentin Richardson: 3 years, $26.3m
24. Sam Dalembert: 4 years, $43.8m
23. Nene: 5 years, $51m
22. Raef LaFrentz: 2 years, $24.5m
21. Boris Diaw: 5 years, $45m
20. Brian Cardinal: 3 years, $18.9m
19. Marcus Banks: 4 years, $17.2m
18. Jerome James: 3 years, $18.6m
17. Shaquille O'Neal: 3 years, $60m
16. Zack Randolph: 4 years, $63.3m
15. Etan Thomas: 3 years, 20.6m
14. Mark Blount: 3 years, $22m
13. Shareef Abdur-Rahim: 3 years, $18.6m
12. Kenny Thomas: 3 years, $23.9m
11. Jared Jeffries: 4 years, $24m
10. Nazr Mohammed: 4 years, $25m
9. Dan Gadzuric: 4 years, $26m
8. Bobby Simmons: 3 years, $29.8m
7. Ben Wallace: 3 years, $44m
6. Darius Miles: 3 years, $26.3m
5. Stephon Marbury: 2 years, $42m
4. Erick Dampier: 4 years, $41.5m
3. Troy Murphy: 4 years, $42.4m
2. Larry Hughes: 3 years, $38.5
1. Kenyon Martin: 4 years, $59m

19 and 21 for #7? Had to throw Raja in there to make salaries match, I couldn't figure out any other way.

Suns get a vet who can rebound and defend at center, Bulls get younger bad contracts. There's a much better chance that Diaw gets turned around and plays better for the Bulls than Wallace ever doing so.

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Chicago Bulls



Incoming Players

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Boris Diaw
Salary: $9,000,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 7.2 REB: 4.2 AST: 3.5 PER: 9.91

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Marcus Banks
Salary: $3,966,207 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 6.1 REB: 0.9 AST: 1.1 PER: 12.25

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Raja Bell
Salary: $4,750,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 11.2 REB: 3.4 AST: 2.1 PER: 10.32

Outgoing Players: Ben Wallace

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Phoenix Suns



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Ben Wallace
Salary: $15,500,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 4.5 REB: 9.1 AST: 2.0 PER: 11.98

Outgoing Players: Boris Diaw, Marcus Banks, Raja Bell

 

[dodie53]

do it.

 

[CaptainInsano]

I would do it, our 3 point shooting might suffer but that is at the expense of our current "so going to end up screwing us in the playoffs" ultra-small ball lineup of nash/hill/raja/marion/amare. This trade changing it to nash/hill/marion/amare/wallace.

The thing is it would counter both our horrendous interior D AND help stop the bleeding from our horrendous rebounding, and with PJ done who better to throw at Tim Duncan then Ben Wallace.

Unfortunately normally I would say that we should try to get chicago to throw in a draft pick (some return for including raja basically), but with them having the possiblity at being one of the worst teams in the nba come draft time that won't happen. Maybe, MAYBE we could get a future 1st rounder.

Either way though I would easily do it, with our complete lack of interior D and rebounding the spurs (and now the lakers with bynum coming into his own) are going to splat us in the playoffs, and splat us BAD. Amare needs somebody else guarding the big men, this trade gets it done.

Great idea for a trade!

*edit: Just to note, the moved salary amounts are large enough that this works easily both ways with diaws BYC.

 

[devilalum]

But then again this doesn't look good

Ben Wallace: Bone Spurs Will Probably Linger All Season

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Update: Wallace, after missing two games with bone spurs in left foot, played 27:57, scoring zero points while grabbing five rebounds, in the Bulls' 116-98 loss to Houston Saturday, the Chicago Tribune reports. Analysis: Wallace said he had a similar condition when he played for Orlando that he played through but which required postseason surgery. He described the injury as: "It's real irritated, painful when I come up on my toes. You can't get up on your toes, you can't jump. You can't jump, you can't get on the basketball court." It sounds like the injury will linger all season, which will cut into his playing time and reduce his fantasy value.

 

[dodie53]

that looks bad for Chicago.