Trade rumor Marion!

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thegrahamcrackr said:
They interviewed Marion after the game:

Reporter: Did tonights performance have anything to do with the trade rumors with you and Minnesota?

Marion: Oh, you guys heard about that huh?

Reporter: Yah

Marion: Something about how it sucks, but it is part of the business. He said he is all about this team, and doing what it takes to win.


In other words, the rumor is legit

The fact that Marion heard about this make it seem beliveable. I mean the player is usually the last person to find out before it happens. I love marion, but for KG? Put me down for a hell yes...
 

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Marion

41.3 mpg
50.9% FG
30.9% 3pt
78.4% FT
11.9 RPG
1.8 APG
1.96 SPG
1.88 BPG
1.48 Turnovers
2.8 Fouls
21.1 PPG


Garnett

39.2 MPG
52.7% FG
31.8% 3pt
79.4% FT
11.9 RPG
4.3 APG
1.19 SPG
1.36 BPG
2.32 Turnovers
2.7 Fouls
21.6 PPG

Garnett's shooting is about the same. His ppg are about the same. He gets more assists, but has more turnovers. He has less blocks and steals (plays less minutes). Overall their stats are very similar. Garnett has more height, but I don't know how his attitude would affect the team. I don't think he brings us much more than Marion does and I doubt he can run the floor like Marion. If we're giving up anyone else in our top 9 then we're giving up too much.
 
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Judging from his performance in this game, the rumor must have been Marion for Paul Pierce. :p
 

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jbeecham said:
Marion

41.3 mpg
50.9% FG
30.9% 3pt
78.4% FT
11.9 RPG
1.8 APG
1.96 SPG
1.88 BPG
1.48 Turnovers
2.8 Fouls
21.1 PPG


Garnett

39.2 MPG
52.7% FG
31.8% 3pt
79.4% FT
11.9 RPG
4.3 APG
1.19 SPG
1.36 BPG
2.32 Turnovers
2.7 Fouls
21.6 PPG

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That's pretty much a "bad" year for KG though and doesn't have the luxury of playing in the Suns up-tempo game with Steve Nash.

KG is extremely athletic, not as fast as Marion but he would still outrun pretty much every other big guy in the league.

KG+Amare = Duncan + Robinson
 

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slinslin said:
KG+Amare = Duncan + Robinson

Even better assuming Amare is healthy.

To be honest, part of me wants this to happen just so everyone can finally see what KG is capable of with real talent around him.
 

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wow........just wow......KG......but Marion leaving would be like your favorite dog running out of the gate and never coming back. But if it brings us a title, :grabs:
 

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thegrahamcrackr said:
Even better assuming Amare is healthy.

To be honest, part of me wants this to happen just so everyone can finally see what KG is capable of with real talent around him.

Yeah the potential of this team would be so crazy. Kevin Garnett joining Steve Nash and Amare that would create such a buzz.

I can already imagine KG throwing lobs to Amare from the high post. ;)

Match up KG with Duncan and Dirk in the West and attack them with Amare on the other end. Spurs and Mavs fans better pray this doesn't happen or we have a clear favorite.
 

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wow..


soooo tough.

I have no idea.

on one side we have our twin towers, but then who guards Dirk and Parker?
 

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arthurracoon said:
wow..


soooo tough.

I have no idea.

on one side we have our twin towers, but then who guards Dirk and Parker?

KG? Matches up perfectly with Dirk anyway and I'd never want Marion on Parker.

KG is a much better defender than Marion.

KG on Dirk, Bell on Terry, Nash on Griffin, Diaw on Howard, Amare on Dampier.
 

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I have no idea what to think on this one. It would be *so* strange to see Marion on another team ... but KG is *really* good... :shrug:
 

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i see.

i havent watched KG much (except when they got robbed by the officials against the lakers and when they play the suns)
 

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Also Marion so far has a history of underperforming in the playoffs. It would be a major factor why I'd be in favor of swapping him for Garnett.
 

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wow, so many thoughts, so confused...

how can a team that is so good let a core nucleas player go? especially a team that is so unique in the way it plays the game? remember how long it took raja to get in the flow? kg's been playing a certain way for a decade, it's not going to be easy to change that.

so it has finally gotten to this point: we are basically saying shawn marion for kevin garnett is a fair trade, and i believe it. IF kg actually wanted out, you're NOT going to get ANYTHING better than marion.

i just have such a hard time thinking about letting shawn go. its so funny, about 18 months ago, i was the one making all the 'trade marion' threads, but i have seen the light. who WOULD i trade marion for? in our system, with our team, i'd trade him for LeBron...that's it. Not DWade, not Duncan, not Shaq, not Brand, NOBODY else. that's how good i think marion is.

all that being said, if this were to happen, i'd be riveted. that would be high drama. so many questions: can KG and amare co-exist? can KG fit in the run-n-gun scheme? would KG lose some of his effectiveness not being the primary ball-handler?

interesting thing about the two, KG and marion, is that their perceived weaknesses are similar: both seem to wilt in big games, are not as physical around the rim as they could be.

KG eclipses marion in that he can create his own shot, better passing instincts, and he has height. Marion beats KG in that he is better off the ball (which is prized in our offense), generally quicker/more explosive, better chemistry with current team, and slightly better defensive ability for his size.

they are a wash in terms of rebounding, shooting, ft's, to's, and leadership imo.

if that choice was given to me, i think my head would explode. this is to say it's certainly closer than some people here think. if anything, i'd be inclined to stay with marion, ESPECIALLY if i was headed out the door. why risk that this could blow up in your face on your way out the door. you've done GREAT, just keep status quo and you're guaranteed to look like gold as you ride off into the bitter cold and snow...
 

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The only thing I would worry about is whether Amare and KG would be able mesh personality-wise? Both of those guys have really strong personalities/egos and there could be a dispute about whose team this was. In a perfect world though Amare and KG would be an unbelievable combo.
 

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KG is averaging 22.2ppg 13.4rpg 5apg in the playoffs , that's nothing compared to how Marion usually falls off in the playoffs.

KG is one of the best defenders in the league, I can't really say that about Shawn he is an above average defender but not great.

KG is more of a complimentary player, like Marion. He doesn't have that attitude to score 50 and dominate a team like that. It's the biggest reason KG is being critized for his play. I think he'd be perfect next to Amare, setting Amare up etc. Kevin Garnett wants to play with other great players.
 
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playstation said:
if anything, i'd be inclined to stay with marion, ESPECIALLY if i was headed out the door. why risk that this could blow up in your face on your way out the door. you've done GREAT, just keep status quo and you're guaranteed to look like gold as you ride off into the bitter cold and snow...

Yeah I feel like my head is gonna explode too. However this is not simply Bryan's decision, it is the organization at whole. Don't think that Jerry, the coaching staff, Sarver and others aren't all discussing this in a room somewhere much like we are. I just want to know who initiated this. Us or Minnesota? I have a feeling it's the latter...

I'm inclined to pass on KG, but damn that would be a front court. I wouldn't do it if it involved more than 1 of our draft picks and Diaw.
 

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I find it hard to believe that we would tamper with team chemistry this late into the season, especially with the way the team has overachieved thus far and the only real weaknesses with the team being resolved in the near future with Amare coming back. If anything, I also like the idea of shoring up the backup point guard position somehow.
 

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I am skeptical. Amare and KG are basically the same post up and front facing jumper big guys. Marion fits Amare better in that he can score without needing the ball like Amare does. So know with KG and Amare and KT we have three PFs and two guards as starters? I guess I have to see it to figure it out. Obviously Marion is playing at an all time high, so his trade value would be at max value right now. I am thinking we stay the course, we could be winners without this trade. :shrug:
 

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chiunit said:
I find it hard to believe that we would tamper with team chemistry this late into the season, especially with the way the team has overachieved thus far and the only real weaknesses with the team being resolved in the near future with Amare coming back. If anything, I also like the idea of shoring up the backup point guard position somehow.
We are only 4-5 games off last years pace now without Amare. ;)
 

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I think I'd rather have Marion. It's a tough call because KG is a really great all around player and playing with Nash would make him even better. I have a hard time believeing the TWolves would trade KG for Marion straight up so they probably want another quality player and I think giving up Diaw or Barbosa or Jones is too much. I think this team can win a championship with a healthy Amare this year and for years to come.

I'm hoping this doesn't happen tomorrow and we see what this team can do with a healthy Amare.
 

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I think the maximum offer worth considering is Marion, Jones, and the Atlanta/Boston/Los Angeles/whatever pick, the one the Suns may get this summer. Garnett's salary is $4.3 million more than Marion's this year and $4.9 million more next year, so the payroll would be cramped and the Suns' interest in guaranteed rookie contracts would figure to be modest.

I think the Suns have to keep Barbosa in the hope that he can become more of a PG. And they have to keep Diaw for his playmaking ability. Neither of those would have as much value to the Wolves anyway.

I'm intrigued by the rumor, but now that I think about it, I really don't see it happening. Well, not unless a third team is involved in a complicated multi-player arrangement. If Minnesota is going to trade Garnett, they have to unload some bad contracts too: Blount, Hudson, Jaric, somebody. The Suns don't want any of those players and wouldn't be able to make the salaries match anyway. So it would have to be a third team that really wants Marion, is willing to take on a bad contract or two, and has a big expiring contract or some other way to give the Wolves a ton of cap space.
 

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