Trade talks & rumors

[sunsfan88]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
Rockets are making the rounds on Christmas Eve, offering up anyone in the bottom third of their roster via trade to make room for Josh Smith

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
Joey Dorsey, Tarik Black, Isaac Canaan, Nick Johnson, Clint Capela ... Rockets seeking taker on any of the above to make room for Josh Smith

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 1h 1 hour ago
Apologies to ISAIAH Canaan. Make that Joey Dorsey, Tarik Black, ISAIAH Canaan, Nick Johnson and Clint Capela all available in Houston

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 38m 38 minutes ago
Rockets were confident they'd find palatable deal soon to open roster spot for Smith. HOU preference is one more trade over waiving someone

I wonder if the Suns will help facilitate this by taking one of those contracts for 2nd rd picks. Seems like a move Philly may have interest in also.

 

[Errntknght]

What about IT for Black and Cepela?

Black has been filling in for Terrence Jones (backing up Motiejunas) and has put up better stats per 36 than Motie - shooting over .500. 11.7 reb/36, lower TO rate and got to the line almost as much. I did watch him a bit and I liked the way he hit the boards - he is rugged at 6'11" and 257 lbs.

Capela has only played 12 min but he was a busy lad - 6 reb, 1 ast, 1 blk, 2 PF 3 TO, 7 FGA (missing all 7) and 6 FTA (missing all 6). He's a 20 yr old C, 6'10, 240. His shooting probably needs some work but you must admit he is full of energy. I haven't seen him play. Somebody here mentioned him as a good pick up so I included him. And that way I got to pare down our multitude of PGs, which should tickle everyone.

Edit: Tarik Black's salary is about 500K so he must have been a late second rounder or rookie FA. I'd be happy to give up a late first round pick for him or a couple of seconds.

Caplela's salary is 1,189,200 so that should pinpoint where he was drafted. I have no idea what he's worth.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'd usually be down for guys like Capela but honestly, I feel like we already have enough rookies and sophomores on the team who aren't even gettin playing time so it will be a tough task to find Capela minutes.

I'd be down for Black though, I think he can take Randolph's spot and if we trade Plumlee to a C needy team, then Black could replace Plumlee as the direct backup to Len.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'd usually be down for guys like Capela but honestly, I feel like we already have enough rookies and sophomores on the team who aren't even gettin playing time so it will be a tough task to find Capela minutes.

I'd be down for Black though, I think he can take Randolph's spot and if we trade Plumlee to a C needy team, then Black could replace Plumlee as the direct backup to Len.

If possible, I want the Suns to keep Plumlee because he is on such a reasonable contract for a second or third center. The Suns need to snag players like Tarik Black as he went undrafted in 2014. I agree that the Suns have enough young players unless there is someone special out there.

Also the Suns are pushing hard to make the playoffs. It can be partially attributed to Sarver's push for a new arena. The squeak will only get louder over the coming years and the Suns being a playoff team can only help.

 

[hcsilla]

What about IT for Black and Cepela?

Isn't worth IT at least a bit more than a late 1st rounder and an undrafted, although surprisingly productive (relative to his undrafted status) bigman?

Besides, a filler from Houston is needed to make it work under the cap. It can be either Papanikolau or Terry, I think that the Rockets would prefer the former.

 

[Mainstreet]

Isn't worth IT at least a bit more than a late 1st rounder and an undrafted, although surprisingly productive (relative to his undrafted status) bigman?

Besides, a filler from Houston is needed to make it work under the cap. It can be either Papanikolau or Terry, I think that the Rockets would prefer the former.

Terrence Jones might fit in there as well. I like this type trade as it helps the Suns now and into the future.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Isn't worth IT at least a bit more than a late 1st rounder and an undrafted, although surprisingly productive (relative to his undrafted status) bigman?

Besides, a filler from Houston is needed to make it work under the cap. It can be either Papanikolau or Terry, I think that the Rockets would prefer the former.

I think so but I don't know if there are other reasons to move IT. Many here have made up their minds on him (or on the situation) but the stats and our results show him to be one of our best players. Unless there truly is conflict involving him, I'd rather keep him. I think we're 14 - 6 now when all 3 of our guards play so I'd be in no hurry to break up that trio. I wouldn't turn down a killer deal to improve the front court but trading him for a marginal big like Black and an unproven player like Capela, doesn't excite me (granted, I don't really have a clue what Clint can become). Jones does nothing for me either and that was before the nerve damage. I like DMo but I don't think they want to part with him.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I think so but I don't know if there are other reasons to move IT. Many here have made up their minds on him (or on the situation) but the stats and our results show him to be one of our best players. Unless there truly is conflict involving him, I'd rather keep him. I think we're 14 - 6 now when all 3 of our guards play so I'd be in no hurry to break up that trio. I wouldn't turn down a killer deal to improve the front court but trading him for a marginal big like Black and an unproven player like Capela, doesn't excite me (granted, I don't really have a clue what Clint can become). Jones does nothing for me either and that was before the nerve damage. I like DMo but I don't think they want to part with him.

Steve

In regard to Jones, this is the first I have heard of a reported peroneal nerve contusion. I can go with Donatas Motiejunas. Did you know I could spell his name right off the top of my head? Well I guess if I glued it there.

 

[AzStevenCal]

In regard to Jones, this is the first I have heard of a reported peroneal nerve contusion. I can go with Donatas Motiejunas. Did you know I could spell his name right off the top of my head? Well I guess if I glued it there.

I hate using initials but no way was I going to try and spell DMo's name. And yeah, I was too lazy to look it up and paste it.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I hate using initials but no way was I going to try and spell DMo's name. And yeah, I was too lazy to look it up and paste it.

Steve

I still think coming up with DMo was quite impressive. It caused me to think about it.

 

[Errntknght]

I wasn't serious about trading IT and I doubt the Suns FO would entertain the notion at this point. I just thought many in here would like the idea - no ones jumping up and down about it though.

I would like Tarik Black though and I hope McD is scheming of a way to get him. He's listed as a PF but his offensive game seems to revolve around close in shots so he might do as well at C - and its not unheard for us to play a true PF at C. We definitely need another big and we have an open roster spot with the welcome departure of Tolliver. It seems like it's almost destined to happen... don't I wish. We may not have just the right level of pick to trade but the Minnesota pick might do it even though it is clearly destined to turn into 2 second round picks - they'll almost certainly be good ones.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wasn't serious about trading IT and I doubt the Suns FO would entertain the notion at this point. I just thought many in here would like the idea - no ones jumping up and down about it though.

I would like Tarik Black though and I hope McD is scheming of a way to get him. He's listed as a PF but his offensive game seems to revolve around close in shots so he might do as well at C - and its not unheard for us to play a true PF at C. We definitely need another big and we have an open roster spot with the welcome departure of Tolliver. It seems like it's almost destined to happen... don't I wish. We may not have just the right level of pick to trade but the Minnesota pick might do it even though it is clearly destined to turn into 2 second round picks - they'll almost certainly be good ones.

What is interesting, the Suns have cleared out about 6 million dollars of cap space upon waiving Tony Mitchell. The Suns could even take back another modest contract if they were interested in a low salary player like Tarik Black.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Looks like Tarik Black was waived.

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The Rockets have waived Tarik Black to clear a roster spot for Josh Smith, league source tells Yahoo.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yep. He will probably be claimed. His salary is only $500k. If he rolls by the Suns on the waiver wire, they should claim him. He is averaging 5+ boards in 15 minutes of pt. His stats project to a double double at 30 (I know, not real, just a number for evaluating).

 

[overseascardfan]

How serious is Jones' injury? Nerve issues in his leg sounds serious. If it's not that serious, I would insist on Jones in any deal for IT. Jones would be a upgrade over Markieff and allow the twins to come off the bench which is a role they are better suited for.

 

[Errntknght]

Waived, crap! The Suns moved too slow. Seventeen other teams have to pass on him before we get a chance - and salary won't be an issue as he only makes 500K.

 

[sunsfan88]

Yea not sure why we didn't at least throw some heavily protected 2nd rd pick at him.

 

[devilalum]

Yep. He will probably be claimed. His salary is only $500k. If he rolls by the Suns on the waiver wire, they should claim him. He is averaging 5+ boards in 15 minutes of pt. His stats project to a double double at 30 (I know, not real, just a number for evaluating).

He had his biggest games against ZBo the Suns Killer.

 

[hcsilla]

How serious is Jones' injury? Nerve issues in his leg sounds serious. If it's not that serious, I would insist on Jones in any deal for IT. Jones would be a upgrade over Markieff and allow the twins to come off the bench which is a role they are better suited for.

I don't necessarily disagree with the last statement, but if it is correct than extending them for 13 mil. annually was even more stupid than it seemed at first sight.

 

[sunsfan88]

Jones isn't an upgrade over Kieff, come on guys.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't understand why the Suns didn't claim Tarik Black unless they have something else going.

 

[devilalum]

I don't understand why the Suns didn't claim Tarik Black unless they have something else going.

I'd like the idea a lot better if the Suns didn't already have about 8 projects under the age of 23. They need a vet PF.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'd like the idea a lot better if the Suns didn't already have about 8 projects under the age of 23. They need a vet PF.

That is why I said the Suns may have something else going. I could have lived with the Suns signing Tarik Black, waiving Randolph and signing a veteran big man.

 

[sunsfan88]

So I was thinking, with all the talk about how CLE needs some help on the interior and how Love hasn't been a good fit there...why not this?

Suns trade: Green, Marcus, Plumlee, Zoran, Randolph, Suns lottery protected 2015 first rd pick, LAL 2015 first rd pick
Suns get: Kevin Love

Cle trades: Kevin Love:
Cle gets: Green, Marcus, Plumlee, Zoran, Randolph, Suns lottery protected 2015 first rd pick, LAL 2015 first rd pick

Cleveland gets a big man who showed some promise in the young Plumlee and another versatile big man in Randolph. Plumlee on a suepr cheap contract also helps a contender like CLE big time. Green and his shooting ability are a perfect fit for the Cavs. The young Marcus can take over the ropes as the primary backup SF since the oldies Marion and Jones will be hanging it up soon. Marcus is better than them also. Plus 2 1st rd picks to add some more young talent (including the precious Lakers pick) to that roster. They can even trade the picks to get others players if they want. Cavs get all this for an expiring Kevin Love, not a bad haul.

Suns get their "superstar" big man that McD has been talking about in Kevin Love. We finally get a PF who doesn't suck at rebounding. Plus since Hornacek's system relies so much on a stretch 4, we get one of the best stretch 4s in the game. He's bad defensively, but not much worse than Kieff and hopefully Len can improve as a defensive stud. Both Kieff and Goran lose their brothers but they gain a rebounding PF. Kieff can return to 6th man status from last year, and maybe even finish games out in the 4th QTR with Love. Suns also clear log jam for their young players which they desperately need to do as a rebuilding/retooling team.

I think we make playoffs with this trade and I think that would be enough to convince Love to resign here. If he doesn't oh well, still worth the chance to bring in an All Star to PHX.

Bledsoe/IT
Dragic/Ennis
Tucker/Goodwin
Love/Warren
Len/Kieff

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ka5zs2j

 

[Phrazbit]

Unfortunately I think we cannot break up the Morrii. Not that I think they're untouchable, but I'm pretty sure trading Marcus would ruin Markieff. One would hope they're adult and professional enough to deal with being separated but pretty much every quote from them indicates that they are not.