Trade talks & rumors

[sunsfan88]

Is he better than Randolph? I really don't know, I guess it depends on which Black you get. He certainly has a lot more potential and he has a nice mean streak when he goes for the rebound that I really like. But occasional lack of effort and focus along with a questionable attitude can cause more problems than the player is worth. But yes, if it were up to me, I'd probably rather take a chance on Black than keep Randolph and I'd rather have Black than a second round pick. But I don't think he beats out Marcus as our back up 4 so you're talking end of the bench kind of player.

Steve

I don't think he will beat out Marcus either but he certainly has a good chance at beating out Plumlee for the backup C spot if he continues to play like he did in Houston when given minutes.

 

[sunsfan88]

Some trade ideas that being thrown around

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...x-suns-ryan-anderson-larry-sanders-kevin-love

 

[JCSunsfan]

Some trade ideas that being thrown around

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...x-suns-ryan-anderson-larry-sanders-kevin-love

Interesting. Some thoughts

1. To me, Len is as untouchable as anyone on this team. I would not trade Len for Love. It sounds silly, but Len's numbers as a starter are pretty good and getting better. The numbers that are credited to Sanders in his "monster" year are the numbers Len would be getting now (and more) with 30 minutes of pt.

2. So how could we give Cleveland what they want? Keef, I would think. Keef and Mook and IT, plus a pick for Love. You only do that if you KNOW he will resign here. There would be some benefits to that. Love would fill Keef's starting spot and Warren would take the minutes that Mook gives up. Ennis would take IT's minutes (along with Green). The problem is that Mook and Keef are virtually untradeable because of their extensions. Well, wait a minute, if the trade machine is accurate some things can be done, like Mook, Keef, and Bledsoe (plus picks) for Love and Waiters.

3. So you would probably be looking at something like PJ, Plumlee, Green, plus the Laker's pick and the Suns pick. I am not sure that would give Cleveland enough of a big man in return for what they need. It would not be bad for the Suns. I could see Keef and Love playing together with Mook and Warren coming off the bench. Randolph would have to play backup center. Not sure how good that would be.


Anyway. Interesting speculation.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Interesting. Some thoughts

1. To me, Len is as untouchable as anyone on this team. I would not trade Len for Love. It sounds silly, but Len's numbers as a starter are pretty good and getting better. The numbers that are credited to Sanders in his "monster" year are the numbers Len would be getting now (and more) with 30 minutes of pt.

There are very few people I would trade Len for. I'd jump at Anthony Davis but I'd have to think twice before I'd move him for most of the top players that are clearly better than him right now. In part because I seriously doubt anyone else would hold him in the same light. If the Blazers offered Aldridge straight up of course I'd do it but of course, they'd never make that offer.

Steve

 

[Ronin]

I have a sad if the Suns gave up Gerald Green for Kevin Love.

 

[Mainstreet]

So if Love is not the answer with Cleveland (with Lebron) and he did not carry the Wolves anywhere, why should the Suns bankrupt themselves for him? Maybe he is just another David Lee type player. The Suns might be better developing their own players and wait for a more reasonable trade for a big man.

 

[SirStefan32]

So if Love is not the answer with Cleveland (with Lebron) and he did not carry the Wolves anywhere, why should the Suns bankrupt themselves for him? Maybe he is just another David Lee type player. The Suns might be better developing their own players and wait for a more reasonable trade for a big man.

Love can hardly be blamed for the Cavs' struggles. Much like Dragic in Phoenix (but a bit worse), it's tough to be all you can be when you are a distant third option. Cavs are a mess- no defense, no real point guard, few ball hogs and a has-been or two.

Minni was a different story. He had no help, his PG was probably a worse shooter than Bledsoe, and he was paired up with a non-shot blocking center.
Their bench was non-existent. Pair him up with Dragic, surround him by a couple of spot-up shooters and put Len next to him on defense, and the Suns would be an extremely good team.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So if Love is not the answer with Cleveland (with Lebron) and he did not carry the Wolves anywhere, why should the Suns bankrupt themselves for him? Maybe he is just another David Lee type player. The Suns might be better developing their own players and wait for a more reasonable trade for a big man.

That is a fair question. It should be considered carefully before any deal is made.

 

[95pro]

So if Love is not the answer with Cleveland (with Lebron) and he did not carry the Wolves anywhere, why should the Suns bankrupt themselves for him? Maybe he is just another David Lee type player. The Suns might be better developing their own players and wait for a more reasonable trade for a big man.

+ 1

With time we might see Love be vastly overrated. He couldnt carry a wolves team as a primary weapon and he can't be a 2nd or 3rd option with LeBron and Irving.

Lebron you should have came to phoenix.

 

[SirStefan32]

Good big men (anywhere near K-Love's level) don't grow on trees. If they did, Cavs wouldn't have had to give up multiple top picks to get a one-year rental on K-Love.
If you have a chance to get an all-star PF (especially the one who would be a perfect fit with Dragic and Len) you do it.

 

[Mainstreet]

Good big men (anywhere near K-Love's level) don't grow on trees. If they did, Cavs wouldn't have had to give up multiple top picks to get a one-year rental on K-Love.
If you have a chance to get an all-star PF (especially the one who would be a perfect fit with Dragic and Len) you do it.

What you give up in a trade for a player does not necessarily mean he is worth it. I'm not against acquiring Kevin Love but some of those trade offers discussed were over the top IMO.

 

[SirStefan32]

What you give up in a trade for a player does not necessarily mean he is worth it. I'm not against acquiring Kevin Love but some of those trade offers discussed were over the top IMO.

There is nothing the Suns have that's over the top for K-Love.
Guards are dime a dozen. PFs and Cs are few and far between. Suns could trade two of their PGs for Love and be a better team.

 

[Suns_fan69]

If (big if) Cleveland entertained a trade with Phoenix for Love, their main target would surely be Len, especially with his play this season. I was a big proponent in going for Love hard this past offseason but I'm not sure I would give up Len for him.

 

[sunsfan88]

We need to bring in one of Chicago's bigs to PHX. Whether that's Noah, Gibson or Mirotic.

 

[SirStefan32]

If (big if) Cleveland entertained a trade with Phoenix for Love, their main target would surely be Len, especially with his play this season. I was a big proponent in going for Love hard this past offseason but I'm not sure I would give up Len for him.

I would not. Without Len, Love's weaknesses become more obvious. 7'1 guys who move like Len does are even more rare than a Kevin Love.

 

[SirStefan32]

We need to bring in one of Chicago's bigs to PHX. Whether that's Noah, Gibson or Mirotic.

That would be nice, but there's zero chance of any of that happening.

 

[Mainstreet]

I would not. Without Len, Love's weaknesses become more obvious. 7'1 guys who move like Len does are even more rare than a Kevin Love.

So we can agree, Len will be more valuable than Kevin Love.

 

[SirStefan32]

So we can agree, Len will be more valuable than Kevin Love.

If he keep this up, and doesn't get hit by injuries, I think he could be a better overall player in 4-5 years.

 

[Mainstreet]

If he keep this up, and doesn't get hit by injuries, I think he could be a better overall player in 4-5 years.

I'm with you including the caveats.

 

[Suns_fan69]

I would not. Without Len, Love's weaknesses become more obvious. 7'1 guys who move like Len does are even more rare than a Kevin Love.

Just playing this out.

Let's say the deal is something like Love for Len/Green/IT (and I'm sure some picks would swap).

That would leave us with

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin
Tucker/Marcus
Love/Markieff
Plumlee/Randolf

I think I could actually be talked into something like that.

 

[Mainstreet]

Just playing this out.

Let's say the deal is something like Love for Len/Green/IT (and I'm sure some picks would swap).

That would leave us with

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin
Tucker/Marcus
Love/Markieff
Plumlee/Randolf

I think I could actually be talked into something like that.

Please no. Plumlee is a backup center and Randolph is lucky to be on an NBA roster.

 

[SirStefan32]

Just playing this out.

Let's say the deal is something like Love for Len/Green/IT (and I'm sure some picks would swap).

That would leave us with

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin
Tucker/Marcus
Love/Markieff
Plumlee/Randolf

I think I could actually be talked into something like that.

That's a great playoff team, but Love needs a legitimate big man who can block and alter shots.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Just playing this out.

Let's say the deal is something like Love for Len/Green/IT (and I'm sure some picks would swap).

That would leave us with

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin
Tucker/Marcus
Love/Markieff
Plumlee/Randolf

I think I could actually be talked into something like that.

Steal! I would def go for that. Plus, we still have Warren who could flourish with extended minutes.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If we made that trade for Love, we would not use Plumlee and Randolph at the 5. I'm pretty sure we'd move Keef to that spot because he's no worse on defense than Plumlee or even Randolph and he's far better offensively. Regardless, unless we were absolutely positive Love would stay, I'd hate that deal. And even if we knew he'd stay I think we'd quite likely regret not staying with Len for a few years.

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

If we made that trade for Love, we would not use Plumlee and Randolph at the 5. I'm pretty sure we'd move Keef to that spot because he's no worse on defense than Plumlee or even Randolph and he's far better offensively. Regardless, unless we were absolutely positive Love would stay, I'd hate that deal. And even if we knew he'd stay I think we'd quite likely regret not staying with Len for a few years.

Steve

Yeah, I agree. I am a big K-Love fan, but he is a complete offensive player and a good rebounder. Len has the potential to be a very good offensive player and an outstanding defender. You can't teach size and athleticism. I think the Suns HAVE to keep Len for a few years.