Trade up... just do it Keim

[gbrim21]

Steve Keim thought Blake Bortles was worth it.

And brought in Gabbert.

Something tells me he needs to stay away from the 1st round for a while.

Come on, Gabbert was brought in on the vet min and probably outplayed that contract. The Bortles point is valid. I'd say use Logan Thomas in the 4th round if you're looking to make the point he can't evaluate QB talent

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[Solar7]

We only have so many play off appearances because we have never found a young QB to be successful. Hey, I know, let's talk teams who have the 'wisdom' to wait and let the pick come to you and then act on the pick. Surely, such a team finds their QB of the future. Hey, what just walked into the room or rather flew into the room? It's not an elephant but a Cardinal. The Cardinals really never suck, that is the painful reality, they usually are mediocre. We usually are just outside the door in the draft for a great QB but never reach over to grab the guy, sort of like we have our own special rules, a Cardinal compulsive behavior of what we do not allow ourselves

Yes, a new thread because there are threads which rehash this too from saying not to trade picks. Cousins, is not a stud winning QB and throwing a ton of money at him is not proving you are aggressive in your line of thought but only proving how conservative you might be by putting that much value on a average QB. As far as having a ton of players unsigned, that is also why we have a ton of money available for next season which will disappear back to the norm once we fill the roster again and that ton of money actually does make it possible to fill the roster and why that huge cap space is there in the first place

Teams that waited in the draft to success at the QB position:
Steelers
Packers
Seahawks
Ravens (traded back)
Panthers
Cowboys
Lions
Colts
Chargers
Patriots
Giants
Raiders
Buccaneers
Titans
Bengals
Falcons
~Jaguars (kinda)
~Dolphins (kinda)

Look! It's almost like more than half the league got their quarterback by standing pat at their draft position... because they did. Every team on that list has a starting QB they are confident in as their starter, and drafted them where the chips fell for them.

If we keep our picks and our money, that money can be spent on elite free agents, rather than spreading it out thin to fill 20-something players.

 

[Southpaw]

I would rather Cards go for broke on a QBOTF than flounder around and blow mid 1st rounders, 2nd /3rds/4ths on nondescript reaches. Every year the pundits banter around the validity of "next years" QB class. Tweeters do not matter. Teams pay the big bucks to evaluators to get it right. Earn your pay.

 

[AZ Native]

by the looks of it... none, if you are over 30

Well, I am more than double that.

 

[Jetstream Green]

By any chance if the Cardinals do have Lauletta or Rudolph rated as one of their top guys, then they better pull the trigger at fifteen and none of this 2nd round crap and let your guy get away. If they want Lamar Jackson and their pick is getting close, they better not wait for some team to leap frog them like Watson. We have one priority right now and it needs to be the first order of business in the draft

 

[Solar7]

By any chance if the Cardinals do have Lauletta or Rudolph rated as one of their top guys, then they better pull the trigger at fifteen and none of this 2nd round crap and let your guy get away. If they want Lamar Jackson and their pick is getting close, they better not wait for some team to leap frog them like Watson. We have one priority right now and it needs to be the first order of business in the draft

Ehhhh... we kinda have 3. Debatably more if we knew exactly what kind of offense and defense we're going to run.

 

[Buckybird]

[QUOTE="Jetstream Green, post: 3677177, member: 594] We have one priority right now and it needs to be the first order of business in the draft[/QUOTE]

Totally agree!

With that said there’s only 3 QBs I would trade up for before 15:

Darnold
The Touchdown Maker
Rosen

 

[Cheesebeef]

Trading our FOUR first round picks would be the stupidest asinine move ever. Surely your kidding. ...

Yeah... four firsts for any of these QBs would be insane.

If any of them were Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, John Elway in college I’d be much more inclined to throw that Hail Mary... but NONE of these guys are even close to that. And even if they were, I’d still blanch at that kind of haul!

 

[ajcardfan]

Yeah... four firsts for any of these QBs would be insane.

If any of them were Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, John Elway in college I’d be much more inclined to throw that Hail Mary... but NONE of these guys are even close to that. And even if they were, I’d still blanch at that kind of haul!

My guess is two of the top six QBs this year have outstanding careers. Two, will be decent, both as backups and starters. Two will completely bust.

I've watched these guys a LOT and on Youtube. I will be frank, I wouldn't bet $5 on my own predictions:

The two good: Darnold and Mayfield

The two average: Rudolph and Jackson

The two busts: Allen and Rosen


But, these guys are hard to figure out. I would not be surprised if I got not one of these predictions right.

 

[ajcardfan]

My natural bias is towards Darnold and Jackson. I love QBs who can run and throw on the run. Hell, Darnold is more accurate on the run that he is in the pocket. IMHO

 

[Jetstream Green]

[QUOTE="Jetstream Green, post: 3677177, member: 594] We have one priority right now and it needs to be the first order of business in the draft

Totally agree!

With that said there’s only 3 QBs I would trade up for before 15:

Darnold
The Touchdown Maker
Rosen[/QUOTE]

Those are my big three too

 

[POISON]

Yeah... four firsts for any of these QBs would be insane.

If any of them were Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, John Elway in college I’d be much more inclined to throw that Hail Mary... but NONE of these guys are even close to that. And even if they were, I’d still blanch at that kind of haul!

I'm glad someone agrees with me on this Cheesebeef. NONE of these guys are worth FOUR 1st round draft picks. If I was the recipient of said trade I'd be lmao! Oaken is obviously in an alternate reality, as A GM he'd be immediately be fired

 

[Broseph]

I am OK with trading up for a top QB and giving up multiple firsts IF they FO believe they have their QBOTF I will trust in them. If not, stay pat at 15 and draft a stud.

 

[Stout]

Starting a new thread to rehash and kick a dead horse is not going to change opinions. Those who want to trade up are still wanting to trade up; those who think the price is too expensive still think it is too expensive.

Don't think you are going to rally new converts by calling those of us who don't want to trade up old women. Also, we need to get some on the forum to a good doctor since Jetstream has joined the ranks of the SICK AND TIRED.

The one who needs to be convinced is SK. Perhaps the 'Trade the Farm' gang can draft a letter to SK and tell him you are all SICK AND TIRED and for him to put his and the Cards next couple of years on the line because you want to trade up to get an average QB and to cure yourself of being SICK AND TIRED. Let him know he is an old woman if he doesn't agree with you.

SK knows better than all of us the kind of gamble that requires. It has never been his MO to make those kind of moves---it would really be a shock to Cardinal fans if he did so now.

Your FQB is going to be either Bradford (a former #1 overall pick and only 30 years old) or Glennon if Bradford goes down again with his bad knee. If a QB falls to us at #15 and is the BPA on SK's board, he'll be taken in this draft. Cards will continue selecting top picks to add supporting players to the roster. Deal with it.

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Good to know I'm in your head

Teams that waited in the draft to success at the QB position:
Steelers
Packers
Seahawks
Ravens (traded back)
Panthers
Cowboys
Lions
Colts
Chargers
Patriots
Giants
Raiders
Buccaneers
Titans
Bengals
Falcons
~Jaguars (kinda)
~Dolphins (kinda)

Look! It's almost like more than half the league got their quarterback by standing pat at their draft position... because they did. Every team on that list has a starting QB they are confident in as their starter, and drafted them where the chips fell for them.

If we keep our picks and our money, that money can be spent on elite free agents, rather than spreading it out thin to fill 20-something players.

Oh man, is that list a joke

 

[GimmedaBall]

To assist the 'Trade the Farm and the Milk Cow as well' fans, I have started an 'Open Letter' to SK to 'Trade Up, Just do it SK.'

Mr. Keim,

We, the undersigned fans are writing to you because we are SICK AND TIRED. We would like you to trade the next four #1 picks—or as many as the Browns ask for---in the NFL draft to trade up to the #1 spot from our #15 for one of the average QB in this year’s draft.

We have no supporting evidence that any trade of this magnitude has ever had any long term positive results for the team trading away their picks. We can’t name a single HOF QB that resulted from such a trade. We can’t even name a QB who was selected in this manner that had sustained success.

We want you to do this any way because we have big balls whereas yours are tiny little gerbil balls. If you don’t do what we say we will continue to have temper tantrums until you do. We will flood the social media fan forums with our demands until we are in the heads every fan and they are SICK AND TIRED of hearing our demands. And if you don’t do it, we will tell everyone you’re really an old woman.

Sincerely,

(Add your name hear by rebutting this post)

 

[Solar7]

Oh man, is that list a joke

...why would it be a joke? Name me a team on that list outside of the "kinda" teams that isn't happy where they are with their starter (meaning not looking to upgrade). All but one team on that list has a QB they drafted and didn't move up for on their second contract or more.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Bancini is already sick and TIRED:

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[Zeno]

...why would it be a joke? Name me a team on that list outside of the "kinda" teams that isn't happy where they are with their starter (meaning not looking to upgrade). All but one team on that list has a QB they drafted and didn't move up for on their second contract or more.

Well the Lions, Colts, Bucs, Falcons, Titans, Chargers, Panthers all had a top 2 pick--no reason to move up. The Giants traded with the Chargers after Manning was selected by them and they took Rivers--so technically neither team stood pat.

Citing all those teams is all well and good, lots of luck comes in to play. Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Prescott etc would not have been available where they were picked if people knew what they knew now but obviously teams don't have psychics in their organizations.

I would have zero problem with the Cardinals trading up if the organization is convinced he is the long term QBOF and will fill the toughest position to fill for the next 10 years or more.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Yeah... four firsts for any of these QBs would be insane.

If any of them were Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, John Elway in college I’d be much more inclined to throw that Hail Mary... but NONE of these guys are even close to that. And even if they were, I’d still blanch at that kind of haul!

I wish that was the case too, because if there was an offseason to do it, this would be it.

 

[gbrim21]

Well the Lions, Colts, Bucs, Falcons, Titans, Chargers, Panthers all had a top 2 pick--no reason to move up. The Giants traded with the Chargers after Manning was selected by them and they took Rivers--so technically neither team stood pat.

Citing all those teams is all well and good, lots of luck comes in to play. Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Prescott etc would not have been available where they were picked if people knew what they knew now but obviously teams don't have psychics in their organizations.

I would have zero problem with the Cardinals trading up if the organization is convinced he is the long term QBOF and will fill the toughest position to fill for the next 10 years or more.

Rec'd, I thought about responding to that ridiculous list but I'm glad you took the time. Pointing to teams with a top 5 pick who landed a QB as evidence we shouldn't trade up is pretty bizarre. If anything it proves those guys would have been worth it. And yeah, are all those guys franchise guys anyway? If you had Dalton or Jameis as your QB, you're happy with that? I wouldn't be.

I'll take your last line further: I'm ok with a trade up even if the FO feels moderately confident in the guy. The fact is, only about 1 in 3 QB's in the first round turn into really good QB's, regardless of whether they were traded for or not. So understand that even if we trade up, it's still a roll of the dice.

I used to be a staunch never trade up guy. Picks are not guaranteed, so only trade back and get more lottery picks. Problem is...that was 8-10 years ago, and I'm tired of chasing broken vet QB's and waiting for a young franchise guy to magically fall in our laps.

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[Shane]

Yeah... four firsts for any of these QBs would be insane.

If any of them were Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, John Elway in college I’d be much more inclined to throw that Hail Mary... but NONE of these guys are even close to that. And even if they were, I’d still blanch at that kind of haul!

Andrew Luck has to be the most overrated has done nothing QB in league history....

 

[unseenaz]

Andrew Luck has to be the most overrated has done nothing QB in league history....

c'mon man, that's not true. Luck has been incredibly injured (who the hell gets a lacerated kidney?) and the shoulder that i'm thinking the Colts have to damn clue how to handle, just listen to pagano talk about his injuries, he's clueless. Luck was a stud, and probably still is.

 

[Shane]

c'mon man, that's not true. Luck has been incredibly injured (who the hell gets a lacerated kidney?) and the shoulder that i'm thinking the Colts have to damn clue how to handle, just listen to pagano talk about his injuries, he's clueless. Luck was a stud, and probably still is.

Your right he may be a step above Matt Stafford

 

[Stout]

Well the Lions, Colts, Bucs, Falcons, Titans, Chargers, Panthers all had a top 2 pick--no reason to move up. The Giants traded with the Chargers after Manning was selected by them and they took Rivers--so technically neither team stood pat.

Citing all those teams is all well and good, lots of luck comes in to play. Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Prescott etc would not have been available where they were picked if people knew what they knew now but obviously teams don't have psychics in their organizations.

I would have zero problem with the Cardinals trading up if the organization is convinced he is the long term QBOF and will fill the toughest position to fill for the next 10 years or more.

Beat me to the punch, Zeno.

I think I broke GimmedaBall lol

 

[Solar7]

Well the Lions, Colts, Bucs, Falcons, Titans, Chargers, Panthers all had a top 2 pick--no reason to move up. The Giants traded with the Chargers after Manning was selected by them and they took Rivers--so technically neither team stood pat.

Citing all those teams is all well and good, lots of luck comes in to play. Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Prescott etc would not have been available where they were picked if people knew what they knew now but obviously teams don't have psychics in their organizations.

I would have zero problem with the Cardinals trading up if the organization is convinced he is the long term QBOF and will fill the toughest position to fill for the next 10 years or more.

Yeah, no need to trade up, but we're honestly not that good of a team right now, and trading up now just to have a top 5 pick we can't use next year is going to be more debilitating in the long run. Eventually this team will either be bad enough to have a top pick when a QB is there, or will find a QB at a different point in the draft.

Luck came into play, but who is to say it can't for us? Who's to say Lamar Jackson isn't the best QB in this draft when all is said and done? We genuinely don't know until the games are played.

All I'm saying is, there's way more teams in the league who let their QB come to them than there are teams that successfully traded up. Almost every team in the modern era that has traded up has failed.