Trading Nash (Realistic Possibilities)

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I imagine the outcry to trade Nash will grow louder and louder as the pathetic losses mount. We all know that Nash won't demand a trade and the Suns won't consider trading him unless he does. But compunding losses could change both sides' rationale.

So I decided to compile a list of teams that the Suns could potentially deal with. The first criteria is that the team receiving Nash must be at the very least a playoff contender who feels adding Nash could vault them into title contention. Teams like Chicago and OKC with no need for a point guard or an upgrade at the position can be immediately eliminated.

That leaves us with New York, Indiana, Atlanta, Orlando, Miami Dallas, Portland, and Los Angeles (Lakers).

In return for Nash the Suns will require expiring contracts, a draft pick, and/or young talent. This eliminates New York, Miami, Orlando, Indiana, and Los Angeles as they do not have a large enough expiring contract to send in return for Nash. These teams would have to pursue compensation for the Suns from a third team. I'll leave the multi-player concoctions to they guys at RealGM and concentrate on the basic two-team trades.

That leaves us with Atlanta, Dallas, and Portland as the only possible two-team trade options. Indiana could still technically be an option as they are under the cap and could potentially absorb a large amount of Nash's contract without having to return equal value depending on the how the new CBA works.

Atlanta: Any deal with Atlanta would have to center around Kirk Hinrich's expiring $8 mil deal. Atlanta owns their own pick this year and has Jeff Teague as their only real young prospect worth a look.

Dallas:
A trade with Dallas would have to include either Jason Kidd or Jason Terry. Hoopshype shows Lamar Odom having a team option next year so I suppose he could be a possibility as well as long as his contract isn't partially guaranteed. The Lakers own their 2012 pick and their only young talent of note is Roddy Beaubois and Ian Mahinmi.

Portland:
Either Marcus Camby or Raymond Felton would have to be sent in return for Nash. Portland doesn't really have any interesting young talent besides Batum (not realistic), but they do own their own pick.

Indiana: They have some nice young talent like Paul George, but they aren't giving up him for Nash. I don't think the Suns have much interest in Collison. Their pick and a filler contract like Foster would be the only real possibility.

So the bottom line is that it is slim picking for the Suns especially when considering straight-up trades. A multi-team deal would seem to be the only scenario in which the Nash is traded. The time to trade Nash has come and gone. Only another GM's desperation could help us net any value for Nash
 
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As much as I love Nash and see Sarver's enfatuation in the money Nash brings in on name alone, it's beyond time to tear it all up. With the new Grant Hill contract, it's gonna be harder and harder to find a taker willing or having the assets to take both Hill and Nash from us without us taking back long contracts.

As you posted, Lamar Odom's contract next season is a team option, but has a $2.4 mil buyout. I'd much prefer Terry than Kidd

Like you, I'd love to get Paul George, but I'd take Collison, Foster and a first for Nash from Indy.

Unfortunately Portland won't give up Felton, who I've been wanting since he was in NY.

If we can find a taker for Nash, I think we could make a possible deal with the few teams that put on the full court press for Grant this summer.
 
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I wouldn't mind seeing him go back to Dallas, just wish Vince Carter wasn't there. Also I still have my Nash Mavericks jersey, if he goes somewhere like Boston I'd have to buy a new one.
 
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Are we better off getting some trade value for him now, or just waiting until the end of the season and using the cap room?
 

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I don't think for a second that Nash will ever be in Boston. It's looking more and more like they are about to clean house and rebuild this season. Unless they have a major change of heart and think they can turn this season into a winning one, which is highly unlikely.
 

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Are we better off getting some trade value for him now, or just waiting until the end of the season and using the cap room?

I think we can make a few deals now, netting us at the minimum, draft picks for THIS upcoming draft. All in all, I think we can get draft picks with young talent or picks and expirings for Nash and Hill (in seperate deals).
 

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Atlanta: Nash/Chilly/Lopez for Hinrich/Williams/T-Mac = Save $3.72 in 11/12 and add $2 in 12/13

Indy: Nash/Lopez for Foster/Collison/2012 1st = Save $10.1 in 11/12

Dallas: Nash/Hill/Chill for Terry/Odom/Roddy = Save $3 in 11/12 and Save $1.87 in 12/13

Portland: Nash/Lopez for Camby/Crawford/2012 1st = Save $340k in 11/12 and poss add $5 in 12/13 due to Crawford P.O.

Memphis: Nash/Lopez for Conley/Mayo/2012 2nd = Save $2.5 in 11/12 and Add $7.2 in 12/13 --> we would have to commit to Conley as our starting PG but have enough money for 1 MAX contract this summer.
 
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Yet again, have to remind everyone, our owner is Robert Sarver.. He does not look at this team by building them up and winning, he looks at this team for his livelihood and money...

He is not trading Nash, because he needs people to still come see the Suns..

There is a reason he has completely ignored the Draft, he is not interested in rebuilding, he is interested in putting bandaids on open wounds and seeing how long it will last...

Anyone who thinks Nash being traded is a possibility needs to let it go, he may leave in F.A. when Sarver doesn't have a say, but he will not be leaving via trade.. no way no how...

It's depressing, but it's reality...
 

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I think the Sac Kings would be a good team to trade with. They need a marquee guy to try to keep them in sac, they have Isiah Thomas as there only PG/ Tyreke is not a point and Kings are struggling with him at PG way to selfish and Little Jimmer is running Points as well. Suns could easily dump Nash and land Jason Thompson and one of there wings for Nash. Kings have a great team to play 21, but there the most selfish team I have ever seen.

This trade works, Kings dont have plans for Thompson or Greene


John Salmons
32 year old , 6-7, 210 lb F-G from Miami (FL)
7.7 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 29.4 minutes
Jason Thompson
25.5 year old , 6-11, 250 lb F from Rider
6.6 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 17.5 minutes
Donte Greene
23.5 year old , 6-11, 226 lb F from Syracuse
4.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
Steve Nash
37.5 year old , 6-3, 195 lb G from Santa Clara
14.2 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 10.0 apg in 30.3 minutes in 2011-2012
Josh Childress



Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5994499#ixzz1jpXDhtjP
 
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Trading Nash to a non-contender is not a possibility. It will certainly not happen. Let's focus on legit opportunities.
 

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Judging by the seats in the Arena this is total bogus. Nash does not fill the arena at all.

This is true, but again, you are looking at it logically...

Robert Sarver is not looking at this as an NBA team looking to compete, he looks at this as an investment...

If he trades his key assest (again, this is not true, but it's reality)... He loses more than he wants, at this point for Sarver it is about minimizing losses, period...

If he gets a Godfatehr offer that he can spin to Suns fans and increase his profit margin he will, but selling Nash for pennies on the dollar to help this team rebuild and sacrifice this season, just will not happen.. unless Nash makes a huge stink, and judgeiung by past comments by Steve winning a championship isn't a priority for him and he is already looking to life after basetball...

in the end, it is a perfect storm of depressing situations... Sarver doesn't want to trade Nash and Nash won't force his way out...
 

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Judging by the seats in the Arena this is total bogus. Nash does not fill the arena at all.

So true and it's going to get worse.

I expect we sold far more tickets the year prior to Nash's arrival when we had Amare, Marion, Johnson and LB causing excitement every night.

Hopefully we will have a young group we can get behind next year, win of lose.
 

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This is true, but again, you are looking at it logically...

Robert Sarver is not looking at this as an NBA team looking to compete, he looks at this as an investment...

If he trades his key assest (again, this is not true, but it's reality)... He loses more than he wants, at this point for Sarver it is about minimizing losses, period...

If he gets a Godfatehr offer that he can spin to Suns fans and increase his profit margin he will, but selling Nash for pennies on the dollar to help this team rebuild and sacrifice this season, just will not happen.. unless Nash makes a huge stink, and judgeiung by past comments by Steve winning a championship isn't a priority for him and he is already looking to life after basetball...

in the end, it is a perfect storm of depressing situations... Sarver doesn't want to trade Nash and Nash won't force his way out...

Sarver is not financially stupid or he would likely not be in the position he is in.
I don't think moneymaking is the reason the Suns do not trade Nash.
 

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Trading Nash to a non-contender is not a possibility. It will certainly not happen. Let's focus on legit opportunities.

I could see Nash being moved to Sac, Cousins, Evans Thornton, Hayes,Hickson, Jimmer thats alot of options there desperate for a PG and would be a offensive Machine with Nash running them!
 

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I've often wondered if Steve Nash has a verbal promise from Sarver not to be traded sort of like Kevin Johnson had. It is not enforceable but it would be a verb bond between the two. Nash would have to ask for a trade in such a situation.
 

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Sarver is not financially stupid or he would likely not be in the position he is in.
I don't think moneymaking is the reason the Suns do not trade Nash.

LOL... Slin, dude.. Sarver made his money starting Banking corporations and selling them...

He is about making losses minimal and sticking to old school rules..

He also received 140 million bailout BTW, after he blew most of his cash anyway....

If you honestly think the Suns are being run at the moment for anything other than financial indications your are crazy.. The entire organization is being run like a dying Bank... something all to familiar to Sarver as of late..

It has been mentioned before, but if you want proof, look at the way the Suns are owned right now.. They are owned as a short term Real Estate investment, they have a lot of parts, and the way the loan was worked to buy the team, it was clear they the were looking to maximize the profits and flip the team...

Unfortunately the Team has grown just 7 million in value over the past few years and they are not happy. This is the reason he has been soo hesitant to just blow it up and build through the draft and compete for a championship..

They will keep Nash and Hill, hope to make the playoffs.. This of course won't happen, but that is the plan..

Sarver needs to sell this team quick but won't until the value increases significantly and the value won't increase until people care about this team, and quite frankly they don't..

Nash won't be traded, period.. Sarver is foolish, and using his past financial success as logic of why he is making good decsions now is flawed at best
 

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I'd like to see this deal go through.....

Nash/Lopez and MAYBE 2012 2nd
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Lowry/Thabeet/Morris

Brings the Morris twins back together again and we get a competent PG to run the show.
 

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Nash/Lopez for Harris/Milsap....we take on salary next season but we get a 4 that can create his own shot.

Nash/Lopez for Augustin/Diaw/1st ....... Rumor is the Cats' are shopping Diaw. Heard they would take Warrick/Lopez for him. Possibly make a bigger deal..........Nash/Warrick/Lopez for Augustin/Diaw/Henderson/1st



Daydreaming a little...........Nash/Hill/Frye/2013 1st for Melo/Shumpert/Fields
 
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Nash/Lopez for Harris/Milsap....we take on salary next season but we get a 4 that can create his own shot.

Glad to see someone here mention the Jazz. This team is really coming together, but is desperate need of a PG that can make it run more efficiently.

However, if they traded Milsap, they would be trading their second most important piece in becoming a contender. I would suggest Nash/Lopez for Kanter/Hayward/Golden State's Pick (top 7 protected this year and next).
 

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Millsap is a tweener and 27, he is a win now player, no thanks I don't see how that helps the Suns at all long term plus he is one of their top 3 contributors right now why would they trade him.

And as you said we would take on money, stupid trade. We would be better of trading Nash for prospects/expirings and use the money to sign one or more FAs.
 
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Nash/Lopez for Harris/Milsap....we take on salary next season but we get a 4 that can create his own shot.

Nash/Lopez for Augustin/Diaw/1st ....... Rumor is the Cats' are shopping Diaw. Heard they would take Warrick/Lopez for him. Possibly make a bigger deal..........Nash/Warrick/Lopez for Augustin/Diaw/Henderson/1st

Diaw sucks and is overweight.

Plus the whole thing is just made up by some guy on brightsideofthesun.com

The only positive is that Diaw is expiring and we would dump Warrick. But Warrick contract is not that bad and I would like to think that we could get at least a late first round pick for Robin Lopez if we traded him which is better than dumping Warrick and getting an overweight Diaw that might add 2-3 wins to our team.
 

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Glad to see someone here mention the Jazz. This team is really coming together, but is desperate need of a PG that can make it run more efficiently.

However, if they traded Milsap, they would be trading their second most important piece in becoming a contender. I would suggest Nash/Lopez for Kanter/Hayward/Golden State's Pick (top 7 protected this year and next).

I like the deal for Kanter/Hayward/Golden State's Pick (top 7 protected this year and next). Don't think Utah would do it, but it would be great for Phoenix.
 

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Kanter and Favors are their future, why would they trade them. Kanter is playing good basketball for them.

You don't trade a potential franchise center.

Utah has no reason to make a trade.

Devin Harris and picks would be about as good as we could do in a trade with Utah, but Harris contract runs to 2013.
 
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