Factual books that show how news is TAILORED by mainstream media like the New York Times for example. With factual examples.Evil Ash said:Don't waste your breath. He's lost in his own little world.
He knows all about how the American media works because he read 4 books about it.Of course I'm in the profession, know all about the profession and how things work but my opinion is useless because of those 4 books.
Trailer for fahrenheit 911....
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Evil Ash said:
While he is a weasel, I wouldn't call Heston a hypocrite. I was referring to politicians and the corporate liars who do things like cut payroll to the bone while accepting $20 million bonuses.
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Evil Ash said:
Cool. What do you do Ash?
But, cars kill more people than guns do--even in the US.vikesfan said:
My point is Heston cannot, and should not, be held accountable even by inuendo for someone's murder because he promotes the second amendement. It's become trite, but it's still true: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
How do you decide what to believe and what to distrust, VF? Seems to me those books could be just as "cooked" as the media, right? What a misrable world it must be for you, a conspiracy at every turn and no one to trust. You've even said, you can't trust what DG says to the media, so unless you have a direct link to the man, you can't even trust him.vikesfan said:
what to do, what to do....
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Pariah said:
But the NRA refuses to budge on even the most basic safety issues like mandatory trigger locks and better background checks. By leading that successful fight, Heston is in an indirect way accountable when those lax safety issues are related to a death (I can only assume the NRA people consider those deaths acceptable "consequences" of the 2nd amendment).
To use your automobile analogy, if the president of General Motors were leading a successful fight against basic safety airbag installations, then he would be indirectly accountable when someone's head goes through a windshield.
I don't know the ins-and-outs of NRA politics, but there's a difference between fighting "basic safety airbag installation" and "better background checks." If background checks are already in place, what does "better" mean? It's more complicated than saying "no background checks" or "no airbags."Rivercard said:
Like I said, though, I'm not up to speed on NRA politics or even gun control laws/background checks.
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Pariah said:
Good point Pariah. It's a fuzzy line for sure.
If a person doesn't understand the difference between a gun and a car then that person leads a far sadder existence then I do. That is a pathetic arguement. Sickening. BTW the second ammendment DOES NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE HANDGUNS it allows for the formation of a militia. Big difference. Sickening.
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vikesfan said:
Maybe Canada's second amendment doesn't say anything about the right to own a gun, but the United States of America's certainly does.US Constitution said:
BTW--You used getting hit by a car as an analogy to being stricken with bipolar disorder often enough I though you might be able to recognize a analogy.
Also, if I had even a modicum of respect for you I might be worried about my "sad existence."
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Guns don't shoot people by themselves. They require an operator to load and fire the weapon.
Unfortunately people like Moore want to put the blame on people like Heston and the NRA for gun violence instead of where it belongs, the perpetrators of said violence.
Unfortunately people like Moore want to put the blame on people like Heston and the NRA for gun violence instead of where it belongs, the perpetrators of said violence.
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SirChaz said:
I know were getting a little off the topic of film but...... Chaz, could you envision a scenario where you would support mandatory safety locks to be required on all handguns sold in America?
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Rivercard said:
Probably not because I am not a fan of government mandates in general, but the gun I have considered buying has an integrated safety lock and would be a huge factor in my decision. I think it is a good idea to have a safety lock of some kind. Many gun manufacturers include trigger locks with their guns and many different types of locks are available on the retail market.
I just posted it in the post you responded to. Here it is again.vikesfan said:
Originally Posted by US Constitution
Ammendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
How do you inturpret this to NOT mean I can own a gun? Yes, a militia is part of it (which by the way, seems to be a tad more dangerous in today's society that simply an individual in possession of a gun), but also militias are private citizens coming together (with their own guns).
PS--I'm very happy for you to have a copy of the Constitution right there in your very own home.
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vikesfan said:
Wow, I'm shocked . . . you can read? (J/K - of course you can read - but apparently you have problems constructing complete sentences - trying using a period or comma once in while
). I've got a serious question for you though - are you out of puberty yet? You seem awful naive about, well, everything.P.S. Mike Homgren's a better coach than DG.
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'Fahrenheit' marketing will crank up the heat
By Gary Strauss, USA TODAY
NEW YORK — Fahrenheit 9/11, the controversial new film by Michael Moore, is being backed by a marketing campaign unprecedented for a documentary.
The film, which examines the Bush family's ties to Osama bin Laden and the war in Iraq, will be released nationally in more than 500 theaters June 25, more than double the 248 mostly art-house screens that showed Moore's Oscar-winning Bowling for Columbine. By mid-July, Fahrenheit is expected to expand to 500 more screens.
Distributors Lions Gate Films, IFC and Fellowship Adventure Group plan to spend up to $10 million on marketing. That's peanuts compared with the $40 million marketing budgets of Hollywood blockbusters, but a record for a documentary and nearly double Fahrenheit's $6 million cost.
Fahrenheit 9/11 has its own Web site, F911tix.com, to bolster group ticket sales. And distributors hope to drum up additional word-of-mouth by holding 10 to 12 pre-release screenings beyond Los Angeles and New York. Friday, Moore will be on CBS' The Late Show with David Letterman and NBC's Dateline. Monday, he'll be on Today.
The film — expected to easily surpass the $21.6 million record take of Columbine— is getting a boost from the controversy over it.
The Bush administration has denounced the movie as outrageously false and Move America Forward, a conservative group formed last month, is trying to block the film's release. "Michael Moore has the right to free speech," MAF chairman Howard Kaloogian told Daily Variety. "But so do millions of Americans who find his anti-military propaganda and attacks on our troops offensive."
Moore has enlisted former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo to help fight the movie's R-rating. A PG-13 rating could boost Fahrenheit's receipts 20%, IFC president Jonathan Sehring says.
Moore's wife, producer Kathleen Glynn, says there are no plans to cut scenes from the movie, including a beheading and gruesome shots of dead Iraqis.
By Gary Strauss, USA TODAY
NEW YORK — Fahrenheit 9/11, the controversial new film by Michael Moore, is being backed by a marketing campaign unprecedented for a documentary.
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Michael Moore has enlisted former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo to help fight the movie's R-rating.
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By Kevin Winter, Getty ImagesThe film, which examines the Bush family's ties to Osama bin Laden and the war in Iraq, will be released nationally in more than 500 theaters June 25, more than double the 248 mostly art-house screens that showed Moore's Oscar-winning Bowling for Columbine. By mid-July, Fahrenheit is expected to expand to 500 more screens.
Distributors Lions Gate Films, IFC and Fellowship Adventure Group plan to spend up to $10 million on marketing. That's peanuts compared with the $40 million marketing budgets of Hollywood blockbusters, but a record for a documentary and nearly double Fahrenheit's $6 million cost.
Fahrenheit 9/11 has its own Web site, F911tix.com, to bolster group ticket sales. And distributors hope to drum up additional word-of-mouth by holding 10 to 12 pre-release screenings beyond Los Angeles and New York. Friday, Moore will be on CBS' The Late Show with David Letterman and NBC's Dateline. Monday, he'll be on Today.
The film — expected to easily surpass the $21.6 million record take of Columbine— is getting a boost from the controversy over it.
The Bush administration has denounced the movie as outrageously false and Move America Forward, a conservative group formed last month, is trying to block the film's release. "Michael Moore has the right to free speech," MAF chairman Howard Kaloogian told Daily Variety. "But so do millions of Americans who find his anti-military propaganda and attacks on our troops offensive."
Moore has enlisted former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo to help fight the movie's R-rating. A PG-13 rating could boost Fahrenheit's receipts 20%, IFC president Jonathan Sehring says.
Moore's wife, producer Kathleen Glynn, says there are no plans to cut scenes from the movie, including a beheading and gruesome shots of dead Iraqis.
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Djaughe said:
honestly - if there are shots of human being beheaded humans and multiple dead bodies - Moore has ZERO reason to complain about an R rating - I will likely agree with most of his message - although I thinkhe's a blowhard, but if you are going to be displaying gruesomely violent images - you beter expect an R rating.
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cheesebeef said:
He may have expected it, but it doesn't mean he has to agree with it.
But his stance isn't that the content of the film doesn't deserve the rating, but rather that the message of the film is so important younger teenagers should be able to see it without an accompanying adult.Chaplin said:
I would put forth the idea that the message is important enough that younger (read: impressionable) teens should HAVE to see it with their parents so they can discuss it with them. I hope that's not lost on the MPAA during all the hoopla.
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Djaughe said:
I don't recall any specific instances of that happening, except maybe with a movie that was formerly rated X getting changed to R--that happened with Midnight Cowboy, I believe.
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Chaplin said:
If I remember right, Miramax hired a lawyer to get the original NC-17 rating given to Clerks dropped to an R.
VF, I'm still waiting to hear your inturpretation of the second amendment (since you have a copy in your own home, and have gone as far as to read it, I figure you must have some insights).
