Tristan Thompson?

[slinslin]

I guess this applies to the draft as well the Thompson question, but are we looking for a "4" that gets the lion share of his points in the paint? Or are we looking for more of a stretch 4 that can hit the 3?

Thompson does not get either..

He is scoring 8ppg off the bench against benchplayers and 75% of his shot attempts are layups, garbage points. You can verify that on nba.com ..

Everywhere else he shoots laughable percentages be it midrange or postups or in the paint.

And please tell me how many successful PFs there are in this league that do not get the lion share of their point outside of the paint.

 

[Errntknght]

Thompson does not get either..

He is scoring 8ppg off the bench against benchplayers and 75% of his shot attempts are layups, garbage points. You can verify that on nba.com ..

Everywhere else he shoots laughable percentages be it midrange or postups or in the paint.

And please tell me how many successful PFs there are in this league that do not get the lion share of their point outside of the paint.

I'm not in favor of Thompson unless we get to unload the Morris bros in the process and get him for 12M or less.

But, according to the original meaning of 'lion's share' (it was a humorous use of 'share', as it meant all) all PF's qualify. Now its been watered down to mean 'preponderance' which still leaves quite a long list. I'm not sure that anyone besides Aldrigde and Nowitski score the preponderance of their points outside the paint. If you meant the simple majority of their points outside the paint it would take considerable effort to sort them out but I'd guess that about half the successful PF's meet that criterion.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm not in favor of Thompson unless we get to unload the Morris bros in the process and get him for 12M or less.

But, according to the original meaning of 'lion's share' (it was a humorous use of 'share', as it meant all) all PF's qualify. Now its been watered down to mean 'preponderance' which still leaves quite a long list. I'm not sure that anyone besides Aldrigde and Nowitski score the preponderance of their points outside the paint. If you meant the simple majority of their points outside the paint it would take considerable effort to sort them out but I'd guess that about half the successful PF's meet that criterion.

I think you'd be surprised, even Anthony Davis gets a big share of his points outside the paint, while Thompson doesn't just need to be in the paint but within the restricted area.

I suspect in terms of scoring range Thompson is near the bottom of the list of decent PFs in the league, he has virtually none. Offensively swapping him and Markieff is unquestionably a downgrade.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think you'd be surprised, even Anthony Davis gets a big share of his points outside the paint, while Thompson doesn't just need to be in the paint but within the restricted area.

I suspect in terms of scoring range Thompson is near the bottom of the list of decent PFs in the league, he has virtually none. Offensively swapping him and Markieff is unquestionably a downgrade.

why are Suns fans always so focused on OFFENSE? I don't give a crap about that in the Thompson v. Kieff comparison because Kieff is merely barely above average offensively and awful defensively and rebounding, where Thompson excels. If you're gonna have a PF, give me the guy who plays d and rebounds like a mother over a somewhat decent offensive player who's a complete non factor at the other end.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ok. Maybe I am missing it here but isn't Thompson basically a smaller Brendan Wright? Why not just resign him. He is a very efficient player and a good defender.

 

[Phrazbit]

why are Suns fans always so focused on OFFENSE? I don't give a crap about that in the Thompson v. Kieff comparison because Kieff is merely barely above average offensively and awful defensively and rebounding, where Thompson excels. If you're gonna have a PF, give me the guy who plays d and rebounds like a mother over a somewhat decent offensive player who's a complete non factor at the other end.

I agree and already said it shouldn't be about Thompson vs Markieff but Thompson vs the league. I think you're seriously overrating his defense, there is little reason to say he excels there. The Cavs were better defensively with him off the court.

Thompson is a borderline starter. IMO people are getting way too worked about about a few good playoff games. He is an inconsistent and really mediocre player.

 

[sunsfan88]

Ok. Maybe I am missing it here but isn't Thompson basically a smaller Brendan Wright? Why not just resign him. He is a very efficient player and a good defender.

Thompson is the best offensive rebounder in the NBA while Wright is not the best at anything.

 

[Errntknght]

Thompson is the best offensive rebounder in the NBA while Wright is not the best at anything.

Thompson is the seventh best offensive rebounder by OR/game and the eleventh best by OR/36. In fact, Ed Davis beats him out using OR/36.

Brandon Wright on the other hand has the third highest FG% in the league behind Deandre Jordan and Tyson Chandler.

 

[sunsfan88]

Thompson is the seventh best offensive rebounder by OR/game and the eleventh best by OR/36. In fact, Ed Davis beats him out using OR/36.

Brandon Wright on the other hand has the third highest FG% in the league behind Deandre Jordan and Tyson Chandler.

I think if Thompson got starting minutes, he would be the best at offensive rebounding by a pretty good margin. I get that your using per 36 so it doubles or triples everyone's contributions but regardless, if you compared his offensive rebounding (and just rebounding in general) since he's been getting these starts in the playoffs, there's a pretty huge difference.

 

[sunsfan88]

I guess this applies to the draft as well the Thompson question, but are we looking for a "4" that gets the lion share of his points in the paint? Or are we looking for more of a stretch 4 that can hit the 3?

I'd say stretch 4 considering how Hornacek wants the offense to be.

 

[sunsfan88]

All this talk about Thompson is probably just pointless anyway, if LeBron wants him back, I doubt Thompson walks. I don't think Gilbert wants to piss off LeBron since LBJ becomes a FA again next summer.

LeBron James Believes Cavs Should Keep Tristan Thompson For His Entire Career

LeBron James praised Tristan Thompson on Monday and said he believes the Cleveland Cavaliers should keep the big man long-term.

"Tristan should probably be a Cavalier for his whole career," James said. "There's no reason why he shouldn't.

"This guy is 24 years old. He's played in 340-plus straight games, and he's gotten better every single season. It's almost like what more can you ask out of a guy, even though we ask for more out of him."

Thompson, who shares an agent with James, has averaged 8.9 points, 9.8 rebounds and 1.3 blocks per game in the playoffs.

"I appreciate the compliment, if that's a compliment, from LeBron," Thompson said. "I'm just here to work, to just come into work and do what the team asks of me -- whether it's on the court, off the court, in the community -- and just be a professional."

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/201...d-cavaliers-receives-high-praise-lebron-james

 

[SirStefan32]

The question is what happens with Love then? Cavs gave up Wiggins for him. If Thompson stays, Love needs to go, unless they think they can play with two power forwards.

 

[Russ Smith]

The question is what happens with Love then? Cavs gave up Wiggins for him. If Thompson stays, Love needs to go, unless they think they can play with two power forwards.

During the Warriors game last night one of the announcers said he thinks if both come back next year, Thompson starts. Then the other(I think Mark Jackson) said you realize that won't happen, Love won't reup if he isn't going to start there.

 

[Cheesebeef]

During the Warriors game last night one of the announcers said he thinks if both come back next year, Thompson starts. Then the other(I think Mark Jackson) said you realize that won't happen, Love won't reup if he isn't going to start there.

what if they went with a HUGE front-line? LeBron at SF, Love a PF, Thompson in the middle?

oh wait... forgot about Mosgov.

yeah... it'll be interesting to see what happens there. If they win the title with Thompson, I can see them letting Love go. I mean, if they've already proven the ability to win with Thompson and can get him at 13 million, why not do that save some money as opposed to paying Love 20?

 

[az jam]

IMO Love will sign with the Lakers.

 

[slinslin]

what if they went with a HUGE front-line? LeBron at SF, Love a PF, Thompson in the middle?

oh wait... forgot about Mosgov.

yeah... it'll be interesting to see what happens there. If they win the title with Thompson, I can see them letting Love go. I mean, if they've already proven the ability to win with Thompson and can get him at 13 million, why not do that save some money as opposed to paying Love 20?

Hmmmm why sign James Harden fro 20M$ per year if you can sign Nick Young for 10M$ per?

 

[JS22]

Love is going to the Lakers. And they'll end up having a decent year if Kobe can stay healthy.

My hope is that the Suns trade Bledsoe for a pure SG or upgrade over Markieff. Then Knight takes the reigns and has a good year, making the trade a success. I'm a little worried that the Suns are going all-in on the 2 PG system though.

 

[sunsfan88]

I don't think there is any debate over that. Nobody in their right mind will give Thompson any kind of a max. There might be a team not in their right mind, like the Suns with Bledsoe, but if I were a GM, I would not offer him anything over $12M per year.

He's already declined a contract that would have paid him even more than that

Thompson's a rebounder, a defender, an energy guy. He isn't a starter on a playoff team, but he has a good attitude, a good motor and could be a role player anywhere in the NBA. Paul isn't the first agent to leverage a more prominent client's extension against another, nor the last.

Even so, at what price? Within the NBA, officials expected maybe $10 million a year, perhaps $12 million if Klutch wanted to push it. Well, they kept pushing it. Thompson turned down a $13 million-a-year extension offer – four-years, $52 million, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cavs-need-lebron-james-to-show-leadership-he-promised-173753124.html

 

[elindholm]

Someone will max Thompson out.

 

[Mainstreet]

Someone will max Thompson out.

I can think of one team close to home that might.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I still can't see how Tristan Thompson is that much of an improvement over Brandan Wright.

I say we resign Wright. We need more of a vet presence anyway.

 

[GatorAZ]

IMO Love will sign with the Lakers.

Randle at SF?

 

[Joe Mama]

Randle at SF?

bring him off the bench

 

[JCSunsfan]

The Suns should go for Love this summer. Why not? If the door is shutting for him in Cleveland with Thompson, and Randle is the PFOF in LA, we could sell him on stepping into the #1 spot on a young team with talent as a starting PF. I cannot see what it would hurt. Maybe there is someone else he likes that he could convince to come along.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns should go for Love this summer. Why not? If the door is shutting for him in Cleveland with Thompson, and Randle is the PFOF in LA, we could sell him on stepping into the #1 spot on a young team with talent as a starting PF. I cannot see what it would hurt. Maybe there is someone else he likes that he could convince to come along.

I do not disagree with the idea but the Suns would tie up their money in FA while some quality players go elsewhere. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do not see Love wanting to come to the Suns.