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Thats just not true anymore. Maybe it was 3-4 years ago but not since Graves took over most of the contract negotiations. He is actually pretty candid and honest, when asked about it and has used the media many a times. He used the media during the Rolle negotiations, Matts negotiations, Browns negotiations. He has also kept us up to date with the Pace and Dansby negotiations. Told us they are really only talking to Pace right now and have gotten a little further then the preliminary stages. Even told us they are trying to figure out with his agent that they will pay him somewhere in between DE and LB salaries. He also told us about the Dansby missed meeting becuase of schedule confilct, and that he was working on sending Dansby's agent a preliminary contract proposal in the near future.

By the way he hasnt sent one yet and they seem to be focused on getting Pace done first then focus solely on Dansby the rest of the time.

They do have until March 1st to get a deal done. Doesnt mean that we dont have a right to get a little more leary as each week passes though. Especially considering the magnitude of the player we are trying to re-sign. It isnt like the Boldin, Dockett(RFA), Wilson scenerio's where each one would still be under contract the next season. This one has more ramifications if we dont get a deal done before March 1st since Dansby wont be under contract next season.

But I will give them until March 1st since like I said Graves is pretty honest and candid when it comes to this stuff, I may not like some of his execution or strategies but when he says he will try to do something he really will try and do something. Wether he can do it or not is the reason why I will feel a little more leary as each week passes.

I agree. And I also think RG is handling it the right way. Get Pace done first and then use the tag on Dansby if you can't work a deal out. Truthfully, if Dansby really wants to stay here, they will get a deal worked out ahead of time.

I don't blame the Cards for not extending Dansby sooner. We are starting to push the limits of just how many top notch players we can afford so you want to make sure he's a top notcher before you show him the money.

The thing about it is, if player costs go out of sight next season, the Cards should be in the drivers seat regarding the cap situation. Then we will find out if RG and the FO were boobs or far sighted brainiacs by sticking a lot of their cap costs into this season.
 

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Dallas rushing yards per carry is 5th in the NFL at 4.47
Arizona is 25th at 3.51 according to profootball-reference.com

That's no minor difference.
 

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Harry, have u had an opportunity to see J. Lehman, the linebacker, from Illinois play. If so what is your assessment of his abilities and likely draft round.
 

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I love all you guys (and besides, we're coming off a win).

So how do I say in as respectful and good-willed way possible that"

This thread is really disturbing - it should be rated "Bummer Thread of the Season."
 

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Dallas rushing yards per carry is 5th in the NFL at 4.47
Arizona is 25th at 3.51 according to profootball-reference.com

That's no minor difference.

Except that those type of stats are a measure of the entire offensive line. Not just Leonard Davis. BIG isn't blocking everybody on every single play.
 

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so, people have completely bashed Harry for this thread, started a new forum to make a point, then cancelled that forum when people took them up on it and now Jeff has called it the "Bummer Thread of the Season". Good Lord people - can't a guy talk about positives and negatives without people flying off the hook? Let's look at how horrible this thread really is.

Has Graves fooled around with re-signing Dansby so long that after the Detroit game Graves won’t be able to re-sign Dansby? At the very least Graves has cost the Cards millions of dollars of cap space. I thought player re-signing was supposed to be one of Graves’ strong points. BTW, that was the most dominant game I've seen from a linebacker in maybe 20 years.

Let's see - it talks about the fact that one of our players is an absolute beast. And then it talks about why he hasn't been signed and that it could have been a mistake to wait as long as we did.

Is that a HUGE BUMMER? No - it's taking the good with the bad. Let's see what huge bummer comes next.

I could see Rolle being looked at in Holt’s slot. Rolle had a dumb penalty, but he might be the best open field tackler on the team and he showed ball-hawking skills in college. He’s not fluid enough for tight coverage, but he has good closing speed. If not for Wilson’s outstanding play-making abilities, Rolle might be thought of for that slot as well.

Hey, is it a huge bummer when Harry still sees the potential for a guy who has been a complete bust at his drafted position? Oh the horror Harry!

Speaking of Wilson, did you notice the closing speed of Wilson on that play near the sideline? Another Cardinal player was boxing in the runner. Wilson came up, accelerated and was on the ball carrier before he could turn up-field. Few players in the game have that type of burst.

Man, that Harry is really bumming me out by talking about how great Adrian Wilson is and how few players can make the plays he makes.

Can you imagine how much better this running attack would have looked with Davis at left guard? We all know who let him leave. Watch them pay more this off-season for a similar skilled, but older player.

Yes, this is a definite bummer... and you all know it'll probably be true. Hell, most people here have talked about signing Faneca, who is a similarly skilled, but older player.

What is it the Cards see in Urban? I think better receivers are on the street.

OMG - Harry states... WHAT EVERYONE else here consistently states. How dare he!

Another nice game by Pace, but a voice in the back of my head keeps saying, “contract year.” The new defense clearly works in his favor, but I worry when that he never looked anywhere near this good before.

Gives credit where credit's due, noting Pace's good game, but makes a valid point about a contract year. But yes, this is a bit of a bummer.

If only the Cards had a shutdown corner! What is Greene’s vertical leap, about 3 inches?

yeah, most people on the board agree with this as well.

Will Pope at best always be one of those plus/minus guys?

is this not a valid question as Pope has come around, but still makes incredibly aggravating mistakes?

The Cards need Boldin to return to form if they are going to make the playoffs.

does ANYONE disagree with this?

Watson is anchoring much better this year, but has yet to show the ability to more forward and collapse the pocket, as Rogers did Sunday on several occasions.

again, giving credit where credit's due, but wants to see improvement. Of course, I guess the "bummed" people for some reason can only see the negative here.

Fitzgerald might well be the most dominating possession receiver in the league.

yeah, this is pretty bumming as someone calls one of our players THE MOST DOMINATING player for his skill type! Oh the horror!

Imagine Rolle at safety for Holt, Dansby signed and a first line corner acquired this off-season. With an impact player at all levels of this defense, they could be even more dominating than they looked Sunday.

OMG - Now he's saying there's potential for this team to get even better and two of the pieces needed for it are ALREADY ON THE TEAM!? Oh the shame!

Grimm can really coach and Whisenhunt is the best head coach the Cards have had since moving to Arizona. The best part is that he will get better, even though he will likely lose Grimm shortly.

And now, this dark SOB has the gall to say our current HC is THE BEST COACH WE'VE HAD IN 20 YEARS?! Someone get a rope! He's going to singlehandedly block out the sun with his incessant pessimism.

Good lord you guys - it's okay to actually have BALANCE in a post. Harry's post talks about negatives and positives, but all some people want to see is something so they can rip on a guy who, unfortunately has been right about this team more often than not.
 
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Get a grip, cheesie!

Jeff specifically called the thread a bummer not Harry's post.

It is my guess that Jeff G. was disappointed that a good post by Harry to begin the thread deteriorated into another "Grave sucks"; "No he doesn't" debate.
 

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I agree with cheese...another excellent piece Harry.
 

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They did tell us.

No we aren't cash strapped.

Yes they want to talk but Dansby's agent was in the middle of a court trial [he is lawyer] so he had to postpone the metting

How many big-time players do these guys have to represent to stop chasing ambulances?
 
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I can imagine they wouldn't be any better.

Footballoutsiders.com ranks the Cardinals ahead of Dallas in both pass and run blocking.

For comparison sake:

DAL YPC
Mid/Guard: 4.05
Right Tackle: 4.86

ARI YPC
Mid/Guard: 4.18
Right Tackle: 5.37

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php

There is also no way that a guy who is 350-360lbs could move well enough for this blocking scheme.

I think he is a good player. But we have let him go and never looked back. 'You know who' made the right call.

Sorry but I just can’t let this pass. Here is yet another website inventing its own ranking system and ignoring the results. This absurd site grades run blocking, ranking Jacksonville (by yards ranked third in rushing in the NFL with 142 yds per game) 22nd and Pitts (by yards ranked second in rushing in the NFL with 151.4 yds per game) 20th. I’m okay with citing opposite opinions, there are likely well-founded ones, but let’s skip these self-invented guys.
 

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SOLID SOLID POST Cheesy!
 

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Sorry but I just can’t let this pass. Here is yet another website inventing its own ranking system and ignoring the results. This absurd site grades run blocking, ranking Jacksonville (by yards ranked third in rushing in the NFL with 142 yds per game) 22nd and Pitts (by yards ranked second in rushing in the NFL with 151.4 yds per game) 20th. I’m okay with citing opposite opinions, there are likely well-founded ones, but let’s skip these self-invented guys.

Sorry Harry, but just because they are 'self invented' doesn't discount their analysis at all.

Footballoutsiders presents a far better picture for NFL statistics because they are adjusted for variables and situations. Those 'absurd' statistics actually take into account down, distance, situation, and opponent.

But hey, if you're happy to draw conclusions from raw numbers be my guest, dude.
 
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