Tyler Johnson to the Suns

[Folster]

the logical explanation is that the Suns had

a) no intention of stretching or waiving Anderson

This seems likely since re-signing Oubre takes them out of the FA market anyway even if they did stretch Anderson.

So if you do not stretch Anderson then Tyler Johnson actually does give you 2M$ more room while being a more servicable player.

If you think about it like that, buying out Anderson would only have gained the Suns 4M$ caproom while not having the player. Is Tyler Johnson worth a 4M$ contract? Probably yes.

I think you may be onto something. The Suns knowing they would not be players in free agency decided they wanted a large expiring contract for next year. They had one with Anderson, but by keeping him they would have to pay him an extra 6 million vs waiving him.

Johnson give them their large expiring and also saves them a couple million.

 

[1Sun]

I think you may be onto something. The Suns knowing they would not be players in free agency decided they wanted a large expiring contract for next year. They had one with Anderson, but by keeping him they would have to pay him an extra 6 million vs waiving him.

Johnson give them their large expiring and also saves them a couple million.

So...we're going into next season with the same crap at point guard we have now?

 

[Folster]

So...we're going into next season with the same crap at point guard we have now?

The new league year starts in July and Johnson will be considered expiring so a trade can happen before the season.

 

[1Sun]

The new league year starts in July and Johnson will be considered expiring so a trade can happen before the season.

And no team in its right mind would trade anything of value for him.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He answered 6 hours after I asked him to clarify how Q59 and Q60 interact.

Nowhere does he state that this modification can be done in order to achieve a "pay cut" which contradicts Q59. I am not going to change my opinion that his answers are not clear in that regard at all.

How can you possibly know that adjusting the guaranteed money on a players deal is not considered re-negotiation of that contract. That is un-intuitive.

Ok. I think this is fair. I assumed there must have been an ETO, which there was not.

 

[sunsfan88]

Aside from cap considerations, will TJ2 cost sarver and co. less than Anderson?

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[SirStefan32]

And they will still have cap space. It's not like they won't have anything to work with. Cap is projected to be at $109M, and the Suns will have about $80M in salaries, plus around $11M in cap holds for Oubre and Holmes. They can still overpay a Collison/ Rubio type before extending Holmes and Oubre. I am not sure about how the pick cap holds work, so I could be wrong.

 

[Covert Rain]

WTH?!?!?! I take a break and there is this massive thread about a trade that has spent 90% of it on capanomics verses the trade.

Holy crap! LOL.

Trade is much ado about nothing. Not going to make a massive impact for the team and what concerns me the most is that it appears the Suns don't think they are going to be major player in FA next year.

My guess is they go after some lower tier player, overpay him and hope it works out.

Tyler Johnson? Meh.

I wonder if the team is determined to land their future PG somewhere in the draft.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah, I don't really care if it helped Miami. As long as it's a good move for Phoenix, I could not possibly care less if it helps the other team too. As the matter of fact, typically a trade should help both teams involved.

And every GM in the league has a few friends in the business that tend to help each other facilitate deals.

 

[JCSunsfan]

WTH?!?!?! I take a break and there is this massive thread about a trade that has spent 90% of it on capanomics verses the trade.

Holy crap! LOL.

Trade is much ado about nothing. Not going to make a massive impact for the team and what concerns me the most is that it appears the Suns don't think they are going to be major player in FA next year.

My guess is they go after some lower tier player, overpay him and hope it works out.

Dude. We are all nerds. We live for this stuff.

 

[SirStefan32]

And every GM in the league has a few friends in the business that tend to help each other facilitate deals.

Yes, exactly! I actually think McD had issues in this particular area, due to his lack of "people skills." Theoretically, that should be JJ's strength. I am speculating here, obviously, but that's my perception.

 

[Covert Rain]

Dude. We are all nerds. We live for this stuff.

Honestly...I don't mind the cap space discussions. We have had them before but it completely overtook this thread verses the trade.

Although I did find humor in one poster insisting he was correct and has not even admitting they were wrong for calling people idiots. Which aligns with previous fanboy love for terrible players...we were all idiots then too.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Honestly...I don't mind the cap space discussions. We have had them before but it completely overtook this thread verses the trade.

Although I did find humor in one poster insisting he was correct and has not even admitting they were wrong for calling people idiots. Which aligns with previous fanboy love for terrible players...we were all idiots then too.

To be fair with him, I think he called Gambo the idiot. Maybe he did us too, but I am not keeping score on that.

I would like to talk about the player some. Tyler Johnson was well liked in Miami. They felt they had to over pay him to match the Nets offer. He is a tough gritty, competitive player with decent athleticism and average skills. Miami fans liked him kinda like Suns fans loved PJ Tucker.

I am looking forward to watching him play.

 

[Mainstreet]

To be fair with him, I think he called Gambo the idiot. Maybe he did us too, but I am not keeping score on that.

I would like to talk about the player some. Tyler Johnson was well liked in Miami. They felt they had to over pay him to match the Nets offer. He is a tough gritty, competitive player with decent athleticism and average skills. Miami fans liked him kinda like Suns fans loved PJ Tucker.

I am looking forward to watching him play.

I like this comment by Holmes.

"Very talented," Holmes said of Johnson. "Can attack the rim. Shoot the 3 and above all else, he plays hard, plays very hard when he's out there. So I'm looking forward to the chance to get to compete with him."

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...de-deadline-jackson-warren-lakers/2796353002/

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yes, exactly! I actually think McD had issues in this particular area, due to his lack of "people skills." Theoretically, that should be JJ's strength. I am speculating here, obviously, but that's my perception.

Yeah I think it was definitely a problem for him, maybe not a Hinkie level problem but it was a part of our overall disfunction.

 

[JCSunsfan]

About our cap number this summer. If we really like TJo, we can offer to extend him if he exercises his ETO. Maybe we offer 4/40 or so. Not sure he would take that, but it drops his cap hit to $10 million. We could offer him $15 million to NOT exercise it if we don't want him. Surely he can get $6 million or more on the open market. Then we stretch him and we are in the same situation as if we had waived and stretched Anderson.

I do think the Suns have decided that they will NOT be in the market for a max FA this summer. They will have enough to sign a good FA in the Rubio/Mirotic range. They are probably going to keep Oubre instead. If TJo works out well they will keep him too. They can trade a wing for a pf most likely. They will also have picks to trade. The next step is likely through trades and not free agency.

 

[Hoop Head]

About our cap number this summer. If we really like TJo, we can offer to extend him if he exercises his ETO. Maybe we offer 4/40 or so. Not sure he would take that, but it drops his cap hit to $10 million. We could offer him $15 million to NOT exercise it if we don't want him. Surely he can get $6 million or more on the open market. Then we stretch him and we are in the same situation as if we had waived and stretched Anderson.

I do think the Suns have decided that they will NOT be in the market for a max FA this summer. They will have enough to sign a good FA in the Rubio/Mirotic range. They are probably going to keep Oubre instead. If TJo works out well they will keep him too. They can trade a wing for a pf most likely. They will also have picks to trade. The next step is likely through trades and not free agency.

I didn't consider that, the Suns asking him to opt out so they can resign him for a longer deal. We would have his bird rights as well so long as we kept his cap hold. If his cap hold is less than his salary then we can even resign him for the same amount as his salary this upcoming season. There is a chance his cap hold will be lower considering he signed a poison pill contract and the $19 million dollar cap hit we're on the hook for now is not his actual salary.

I didn't mean to bring this back into examining the salary again and I don't want to debate about that or theorize on how much it could save us. I believe it's a possibility for the Suns though and if it happens we'll see how it plays out.

 

[Chaplin]

This thread proves that Trevor Buckstein had a huge role in this trade happening.

 

[Proximo]

So...we're going into next season with the same crap at point guard we have now?

No - they will still have 15 million to spend, and they will either trade their first rounder, or draft Zion or Morant

They will get a pg and pf between the cap room and draft pick, the only question is what quality of players will they be able to get.

 

[1Sun]

No - they will still have 15 million to spend, and they will either trade their first rounder, or draft Zion or Morant

They will get a pg and pf between the cap room and draft pick, the only question is what quality of players will they be able to get.

$15 million won't even get them a Collison, Teague or Rubio. And as you should be able to see from the recent stretch of Murray State games, Morant is nowhere near ready to compete at the NBA level.

 

[SunnyBaller]

How much cap room do we have if we let oubre walk ?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

To be fair with him, I think he called Gambo the idiot. Maybe he did us too, but I am not keeping score on that.

I would like to talk about the player some. Tyler Johnson was well liked in Miami. They felt they had to over pay him to match the Nets offer. He is a tough gritty, competitive player with decent athleticism and average skills. Miami fans liked him kinda like Suns fans loved PJ Tucker.

I am looking forward to watching him play.

This. I suspect he will improve the suns. A lot? No. But even incremental improvement helps. And as a player I suspect he will be one of the guys we like due to his hustle and toughness. We just need to remember that we got him for virtually nothing other than pushing a bit of our cap availability back a year.

 

[Covert Rain]

To be fair with him, I think he called Gambo the idiot. Maybe he did us too, but I am not keeping score on that.

I would like to talk about the player some. Tyler Johnson was well liked in Miami. They felt they had to over pay him to match the Nets offer. He is a tough gritty, competitive player with decent athleticism and average skills. Miami fans liked him kinda like Suns fans loved PJ Tucker.

I am looking forward to watching him play.

He could be a solid rotation guy. However, I suspect this had nothing to do with that. I think they wanted to shed Anderson’s contract anyway they could and hoping they could get ANYBODY that might contribute. They knew straight up he wasn’t worth much.

I really think it’s that simple.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

He could be a solid rotation guy. However, I suspect this had nothing to do with that. I think they wanted to shed Anderson’s contract anyway they could.

I really think it’s that simple.

Him being a solid rotation guy has everything to do with it. That means he will be a much more tradeable asset next year than Anderson and he may also make the team a little more watchable this year.

 

[Covert Rain]

Him being a solid rotation guy has everything to do with it. That means he will be a much more tradeable asset next year than Anderson and he may also make the team a little more watchable this year.

I don’t think the Suns have such delusions of granger with this move. I think they are fully aware of the impact on the other end (as you pointed out).

What I meant above was that it’s not like they said....”wow....this is our guy....we got to have him and let’s do what we can to get him”.

I seriously doubt that was the motivating factor.