Tyson Chandler?

[JCSunsfan]

So far he has given us very little on the court. I would have been satisfied with diminished production because he locker room presence is good. But if he is completely unproductive on the court, he will also lose his voice in the locker room.

I have this sinking feeling that Tyson Chandler is Steve Nash. And we are the Lakers.

At least we didn't trade for him.

 

[95pro]

He altered a lot of shots which don't translate to blocks on the score sheet. Seems like the Mavs had him well scouted. He has played too little to see what his net positive effect will be.

 

[Chaplin]

So far he has given us very little on the court. I would have been satisfied with diminished production because he locker room presence is good. But if he is completely unproductive on the court, he will also lose his voice in the locker room.

I have this sinking feeling that Tyson Chandler is Steve Nash. And we are the Lakers.

At least we didn't trade for him.

You mean in the less than 17 MINUTES he's played in a Suns uniform? Come on now, we have seen some alarmist posts on this forum over the years, but this... This is absolutely ridiculous, especially coming from you, who are so level-headed most of the time. Good lord, I can't believe you wrote this after one game--which of course was opening night with a crazy rotation and getting in foul trouble. Oh, and it was against his former team that he's publicly blasted in the media--so yeah, he should have been perfect since minute 1.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You mean in the less than 17 MINUTES he's played in a Suns uniform? Come on now, we have seen some alarmist posts on this forum over the years, but this... This is absolutely ridiculous, especially coming from you, who are so level-headed most of the time. Good lord, I can't believe you wrote this after one game--which of course was opening night with a crazy rotation and getting in foul trouble. Oh, and it was against his former team that he's publicly blasted in the media--so yeah, he should have been perfect since minute 1.

Preaseason and first game. I was just looking for glimpses of anything.

 

[Chaplin]

Preaseason and first game. I was just looking for glimpses of anything.

Preseason means precisely squat for a guy like Chandler.

I still don't understand why people treat the preseason like the regular season.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Preseason means precisely squat for a guy like Chandler.

I still don't understand why people treat the preseason like the regular season.

Its not the regular season and I am not treating it like the regular season but you would expect that when a player is on the floor you would see some production. Wins don't mean much, playing time doesn't mean much.

When the same quality play of the preseason starts to spill over into the regular season, thats when you start to get concerned. I just have not seen anything from him yet.

 

[Chaplin]

Its not the regular season and I am not treating it like the regular season but you would expect that when a player is on the floor you would see some production. Wins don't mean much, playing time doesn't mean much.

When the same quality play of the preseason starts to spill over into the regular season, thats when you start to get concerned. I just have not seen anything from him yet.

Preseason wins mean nothing--we've gone undefeated in the preseason and been horrid in the regular season, so that can't be a criteria.

We lost our FIRST game, but the lasting image I saw was Tyson Chandler jawing at everyone during a timeout, not Hornacek, Chandler.

And again, why would you expect him to be perfect in the first game? After getting only 17 minutes? I don't get it. It seems like you're two bad games away of wanting him traded away.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Preseason wins mean nothing--we've gone undefeated in the preseason and been horrid in the regular season, so that can't be a criteria.

We lost our FIRST game, but the lasting image I saw was Tyson Chandler jawing at everyone during a timeout, not Hornacek, Chandler.

And again, why would you expect him to be perfect in the first game? After getting only 17 minutes? I don't get it. It seems like you're two bad games away of wanting him traded away.

Good grief Chap! Since when did I say "perfect"? If you want to disagree with someone, at least honestly characterize what they are saying. I said I haven't seen ANYTHING from him yet. I would take ANYTHING encouraging. And I said nothing about trading him away.

Honestly, is the best thing you can say about what you have seen from him so far is that he was jawing at the other players during a timeout? Is that all you have?

He had 3 pts 6 rebound and a block in 17 minutes vs what will likely be the worst team in the west. Not only that, it was his FORMER team. Usually free agents try to show their worth in their first game, and especially in their first game against the team that let them walk. No, its not conclusive. But it is far from a good sign.

An I am usually an optimist.

 

[JS22]

So far he has given us very little on the court. I would have been satisfied with diminished production because he locker room presence is good. But if he is completely unproductive on the court, he will also lose his voice in the locker room.

I have this sinking feeling that Tyson Chandler is Steve Nash. And we are the Lakers.

At least we didn't trade for him.

Wait what?

Did I miss 20 games somehow?

 

[Chaplin]

Good grief Chap! Since when did I say "perfect"? If you want to disagree with someone, at least honestly characterize what they are saying. I said I haven't seen ANYTHING from him yet. I would take ANYTHING encouraging. And I said nothing about trading him away.

Honestly, is the best thing you can say about what you have seen from him so far is that he was jawing at the other players during a timeout? Is that all you have?

What else more should I have? Sure, it would have been nice if he had 10 points and 15 rebounds, but so what? It's one game!

Your original post likened him to the broken Steve Nash and our team as the Lakers of 4 years ago. How is that not alarmist? Just the existence of this thread right now is ridiculous. If we get the same kind of performance for a straight month, then you definitely have something to write about.

 

[82CardsGrad]

So far...

Seriously?? After one game and 17 mins of play?? LOL...

And what are you expecting anyway?? He's a career 9 Reb and 9 PPG guy... C'mom man...

 

[JCSunsfan]

OK. We will see. I am not declaring him a bust, by any means. I just would like to have seen something by now throught the preseason and the first game. He looked slow, he has an injury history, and he only managed 17 minutes.

Maybe it means nothing.

 

[Phrazbit]

OK. We will see. I am not declaring him a bust, by any means. I just would like to have seen something by now throught the preseason and the first game. He looked slow, he has an injury history, and he only managed 17 minutes.

Maybe it means nothing.

The rotations were flat out dumb in that game. For some reason Hornacek coached it like it was the preseason. Maybe Morris picking up fouls like they were going out of style threw some kind of plan off but either way, it was bizarre.

He defended the rim well, he rebounded at a rate above his career average. Not only do I think this is jumping the gun to a crazy extent but I think he actually played WELL in that game, he rebounded he played D. Was one of the few guys who seemed focused out there.

As for the preseason, a vet like Chandler is not going to exert himself much in the utterly meaningless preseason. Guys like him have one priority in those games; don't get hurt.

 

[Mainstreet]

It looks like a slow day so far.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The rotations were flat out dumb in that game. For some reason Hornacek coached it like it was the preseason. Maybe Morris picking up fouls like they were going out of style threw some kind of plan off but either way, it was bizarre.

He defended the rim well, he rebounded at a rate above his career average. Not only do I think this is jumping the gun to a crazy extent but I think he actually played WELL in that game, he rebounded he played D. Was one of the few guys who seemed focused out there.

As for the preseason, a vet like Chandler is not going to exert himself much in the utterly meaningless preseason. Guys like him have one priority in those games; don't get hurt.

At last. A post with substance. Thank you.

OK. It looks like I am being universally panned on this subject. I will be quiet now.

 

[Chaplin]

At last. A post with substance. Thank you.

OK. It looks like I am being universally panned on this subject. I will be quiet now.

No need for that--either the quiet or the attack. It's a conversation.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sorry. Did not intend an attack. Btw. The game tonight sort of makes this thread look, well, like everyone said, premature and likely wrong.

 

[JS22]

Chandler brings an attitude that the Suns really needed. There's no way he's going to be worth his contract in the last year or maybe even two. But hopefully he can help Len and a few others come along.

 

[Catlover]

Chandler brings an attitude that the Suns really needed. There's no way he's going to be worth his contract in the last year or maybe even two. But hopefully he can help Len and a few others come along.

By that time Chandler's salary will probably be a steal for the first big man off your bench and I don't see why he couldn't still have that kind of value. Right now he's the 46th highest paid player so he's going to fall down that list rather quickly. Barring injury, I think I'd rather have his 4 years at 13 per than Tristan's 4 years at 16 per.

 

[JS22]

By that time Chandler's salary will probably be a steal for the first big man off your bench and I don't see why he couldn't still have that kind of value. Right now he's the 46th highest paid player so he's going to fall down that list rather quickly. Barring injury, I think I'd rather have his 4 years at 13 per than Tristan's 4 years at 16 per.

Good point.

 

[sunsfan88]

https://twitter.com/SeanSullivanNBA/status/679160948867788800

 

[overseascardfan]

I mentioned that if PHX is serious about developing Len, then Chandler's minutes are going to decrease.

The only way PHX gets $12M in production is if they give Chandler 25+ minutes a game. PHX felt they needed a rim protector / rebounder to pair with their high scoring back court but have found that they are only going as far as this back court takes them. If either or both have a bad night this team is sunk, so it looks like they finally want to give Len consistent minutes for him to develop but that means Chandler is on the bench unless Len can develop into a PF (I don't think he can). PHX should not be paying $12M a year for a bench player unless that bench player is playing major minutes, Chandler currently is not.

 

[SirStefan32]

I mentioned that if PHX is serious about developing Len, then Chandler's minutes are going to decrease.

The only way PHX gets $12M in production is if they give Chandler 25+ minutes a game. PHX felt they needed a rim protector / rebounder to pair with their high scoring back court but have found that they are only going as far as this back court takes them. If either or both have a bad night this team is sunk, so it looks like they finally want to give Len consistent minutes for him to develop but that means Chandler is on the bench unless Len can develop into a PF (I don't think he can). PHX should not be paying $12M a year for a bench player unless that bench player is playing major minutes, Chandler currently is not.

I think Chandler's value is far greater than his on-court production. You overpay a little to have a mentor for Len and even the rest of the youngsters.

 

[Hoop Head]

I think Chandler's value is far greater than his on-court production. You overpay a little to have a mentor for Len and even the rest of the youngsters.

Agreed. I doubt he plays his whole contract out in Phoenix but he's staying through this season and most likely next to take some of the burden off of Len and allow him to develop at a slower pace. He's here to help mentor Len, provide veteran leadership, rebound, and be a defensive anchor who can protect the rim. I think he's been doing all of that so far. I don't think Len is ready to take the starting spot from him. Len starting last year was a mistake, not on him but the team for not having another viable option at center. Len deserves 20-25 minutes a night to develop. He's really only productive for that many minutes anyways. If you play him too long then he'll rack up fouls or get gassed out, that's why having Chandler for those other 25-30 minutes a night helps. It keeps a center on the floor all game and an interior defender as well.

 

[BC867]

No Centers, whether experienced or young, are going to fulfill their potential on the Suns as well as they could on other teams. Looking at Len's situation is an empty dream.

It has been posted that the facilitators, if you can call Bledsoe and Knight that, have not made it easy for the Centers to be a significant part of the offense. They are just not smooth Point Guards.

Unless they station themselves at the top of the key (as Adams did for a decade) or 23 feet from the basket (as Frye did), Suns Centers just do not fit in.

It took an outrageous personality like the Chuckster to dominate from a power position on the Suns and he was under 6'5". And Shaq's short tenure here during the twilight of his career had no bearing on the hopes of building a strong playoff team.