UA & Pac-12 Basketball Thread

[AzStevenCal]

Officially reversing the call/game would be the most useless thing anybody could do. First, it means every level of officials in the NCAA would have to admit they were horribly wrong. Next, what does "karma" have to do with anything? That's superstitious hogwash and I'm surprised you would use that as a reason for doing it. Who cares what the "talking heads" think? They weren't on the court, either as players or officials. Why does what they talk about make any difference in anything?

I think your disappointment in the Suns has negatively affected your point-of-view.

Ahh, who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into the Jim Basnights of the world.

Steve

 

[TJ]

Ahh, who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into the Jim Basnights of the world.

Steve

Basnight has been making a total ass out of himself the past couple of days on twitter. He's worried about UA snatching up Gordon from UW.

Good to be hated nationally, again. Means we're officially back.


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[Russ Smith]

So you're insinuating that UofA cheated.

No I'm saying the reason the refs came to the conclusion they did is they didn't use the side angle we've all seen. At halftime of the uCLA game yesterday on Pac 12 network they talked about it with Tom Tolbert, who said from the angles he's seen, the shot was good. THey then showed the refs at the monitor at the very moment they turned around and ruled the basket no good.

If you saw, you could clearly see what angle they used to make that ruling, NOT the side angle. It wasn't the behind the shooter angle either it was about 45 degrees to the left of behind the shooter.

They ended the segment with a shot that explained the 1 tenth difference between the tv clock and the game clock and showed the point where the clock goes to 0 and from that angle, you can't see the ball come off his fingertips clearly because the ball and his hand are an the same plane.

Point being for whatever reason even though they had MORE angles than we got, they used an angle that didn't appear to be the best one.

Both Tolbert at half and Bill Walton during the game said they think the Pac 12 should basically make the angle public if they want people to accept their explanation, otherwise people are just going to go with their original belief based on the side view.

 

[Russ Smith]

Perception is reality. The nation has seen picture after picture that indicate the shot should have counted. Right now, we're painted as the evil ones so make a sacrificial offering and put it behind us.

Steve

Who thinks UA is the bad one? I think the general opinion is they got the call wrong and the Pac 12 is siding with the refs to try and end the controversy. Now again if they really have the shot they say they do, they ought to release it. That would immediately end this if it's legit, we'd all see what they saw.

I do get the feeling though its the way UCLA fans felt twice one year, once when we beat Cal on Shipp's over the backboard shot, and then beat Stanford on a terrible foul call. The Shipp shot was even very similar to this one in that everyone reacted to what we were told on tv and by the media when in fact it turned out they had the rule wrong the whole time and the shot was in fact legal and it wasn't even the first time it had happened and counted in an NCAA game.

 

[Russ Smith]

Have you been watching or listening to the national sports guys? We're getting blasted on Twitter, ESPN etc and I think a gesture such as I proposed would do wonders. We're not Duke, this won't get swept under the table. Let's see how many breaks we get from the refs the rest of this season if this is allowed to build, telecast after telecast. Acknowledging the error (as far as the world is concerned, anyway) while supporting the referee decision could help us down the road.

Besides, I think our team believes they should have lost that game and that right now they are playing under a cloud of guilt. We looked pitiful today. Maybe we're just looking ahead to our first conference road trip but who knows.

Steve

IF the team felt like that wouldn't they have lost the OT to Colorado though?

I just think Colorado is good, and Utah is a difficult matchup because they play good defense and make everyone play ugly. I fully expect them to bother UCLA next week they're not going to let us run up and down the court, Stanford didn't yesterday and made the game ugly.

Conference games tend to be like this everyone has film now.

 

[Russ Smith]

Basnight has been making a total ass out of himself the past couple of days on twitter. He's worried about UA snatching up Gordon from UW.

Good to be hated nationally, again. Means we're officially back.


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AS opposed to what? Basnight is always an ass. His stuff about Josh Smith not that long ago was apalling, I was actually hoping Josh' family would get ticked off and sue the moron. He was making all sorts of hints implying all sorts of "problems" and it was all because he finally accepted that he was wrong about Josh transferring to UW so he decided he needed to now slam the kid.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

ASU 65
Colorado 56

 

[gmabel830]

ASU 65
Colorado 56

That was a surprising result. What are they, 13-2 now?

 

[gmabel830]

Arizona slipped behind 1 loss Louisville in the AP poll..

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2013/poll/1/week/10

 

[Lefty]

http://m.si.com/961589/bubble-watch-2013-a-first-glimpse-into-the-nations-ncaa-contenders/

 

[Russ Smith]

UA is still clearly the best team but the margin with UCLA appears to be closing faster than expected. Simply put UCLA's freshmen class right now is much better than UA's and that's why UCLA after starting poorly is on a much faster growth curve than UA.

UA is a much better defensive team, and a better rebounding team(margin), UCLA is a better offensive team and its interesting why. UCLA shoots a higher percentage overall, UA is better from 3 and better from the FT line. The main difference is UCLA is 18-11 assists to TO's, UA is only 15-14, having 2 Pg's on the floor together regularly is really contributing to UCLA leading the conference in assists and having a surprisingly low To number considering they lead the conference in scoring.

Right now UA is still better, I fully expect UCLA to lose at Tucson, but the margin is considerably closer than it was IMO. That said I expect UCLA to lose at Colorado and at UA in the next few weeks.

 

[ProdigalSun]

What threw up on Oregons court it looks awful

 

[AzStevenCal]

If it was up to me, I'd play Parrom 40 minutes a game and could we please learn how to throw a safe pass.

Steve

 

[ProdigalSun]

this team has lost its aggressiveness to start out games for like the last 5 games...almost seems like we're going through the motions at times. Whats up with our big guys getting stripped of the ball everytime they do try to make an aggressive move towards the hoop

 

[AzStevenCal]

this team has lost its aggressiveness to start out games for like the last 5 games...almost seems like we're going through the motions at times. Whats up with our big guys getting stripped of the ball everytime they do try to make an aggressive move towards the hoop

Yeah the freshmen can't seem to hold onto the ball down low and the rest of the guys are way too willing to settle for the three.

Steve

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Freshmen really need to get over the wall they're slamming against right now.

 

[TJ]

this team has lost its aggressiveness to start out games for like the last 5 games...almost seems like we're going through the motions at times. Whats up with our big guys getting stripped of the ball everytime they do try to make an aggressive move towards the hoop

It was due for a loss. Better for the resume that it came on the road to Oregon as opposed to at home against Utah and/or Colorado. Team hasn't looked hungry since the Miami game. Hope Miller uses this as a teaching opportunity for his team, especially the freshmen.


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[TJ]

If it was up to me, I'd play Parrom 40 minutes a game and could we please learn how to throw a safe pass.

Steve

Actually, tonight showed where Parrom gets his energy from - starting in the bench. He's unequivocally better when he runs the 2nd team.

Hopefully this is the end of the "Starting KP" project.


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[AzStevenCal]

Actually, tonight showed where Parrom gets his energy from - starting in the bench. He's unequivocally better when he runs the 2nd team.

Hopefully this is the end of the "Starting KP" project.


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Yeah, he was terrific to begin with but that was that.

The good news about tonight's loss, it won't be our last one. I wish we could bring that late game energy a little earlier in the contest.

Steve

 

[Brian in Mesa]

ASU 72
Oregon St. 62

 

[carey]

ASU 72
Oregon St. 62

It does say pac 12 basketball, but still, get out mah thread.

 

[Russ Smith]

Your 3 freshmen bigs average 5 or less shots each per game. Some of that is on them the hands mentioned earlier, but some of that is clearly Lyons.

Weird, I watch UA games and think man I wish Drew played as hard on defense as Lyons does. And then I watch UA games and I think I'm glad Drew passes the ball so much more willingly than Lyons does. Combine the 2 and you have a perfect college PG.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Miller's teams have consistently played very poorly in January and this year is no different. Got to get over that wall, good thiing is we're hitting it now not in a couple months.

 

[ProdigalSun]

Cats beat Beavers. Time to start another winning streak Didn't watch this game to be honest as I was watching Peyton choke again and also busy rooting against the whiners...

 

[AzStevenCal]

Cats beat Beavers. Time to start another winning streak Didn't watch this game to be honest as I was watching Peyton choke again and also busy rooting against the whiners...

I was trying to watch this game, the Broncos game and the Suns game, it was a challenge. I've now finished the football game and the Cats game, the Suns win will have to wait until later tonight or tomorrow.

Parrom had a huge block late in this game just as it looked like Oregon State might (MIGHT) get some momentum going. It shut the door in their face and we were never really threatened.

Steve