Underrated Movies

[D-Dogg]

Terrence Howard, after Crash, was cast in the amazing Lackawanna Blues (possibly an underrated candidate) and I believe Hustle & Flow came after Crash also. Crash was a launching point for him. Michael Pena was also cast as the other lead (Nicholas Cage) in the new 9/11 movie.

Michael Pena was AWESOME in Crash (he was the dad with the little girl, trying to make a new life outside the hood, right?)

 

[Chaplin]

Terrence Howard, after Crash, was cast in the amazing Lackawanna Blues (possibly an underrated candidate) and I believe Hustle & Flow came after Crash also. Crash was a launching point for him. Michael Pena was also cast as the other lead (Nicholas Cage) in the new 9/11 movie.

His acclaim from Crash came long after Hustle & Flow. Crash was a bit ignored most of last year until very late in the year when they started hyping it for Best Picture consideration. Even then, they weren't even considered a frontrunner for the award. That doesn't mean it's underrated, though. It's a great movie, but underrated? Have to disagree on that.

 

[jenna2891]

drop dead gorgeous

 

[jenna2891]

also, anything sinbad is in. i've always maintained he's the most underrated comic genius of our time.

 

[Chaplin]

also, anything sinbad is in. i've always maintained he's the most underrated comic genius of our time.

Even more than Steve Guttenburg??

 

[jenna2891]

Even more than Steve Guttenburg??

lol, my friend and i totally had a steve guttenburg-a-thon. and yes, even more. house guest is comic gold.

 

[thirty-two]

wasnt steve guttenburg in 3 Men and a Baby ?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm with Chap on The Girl Next Door - Timothy Olyphant is classic as the porn producer and the movie was pretty solid all the way around I thought.

As far as Crash - that has to be THE most overrated movie of all time - a pure compilation of unadulterated trash, thrown in with the greatest scene chewing "look at me, I'm in an Oscar role" acting performances by EVERYONE in the film. That movie was freaking drek - I can't tell you how much I hate that movie - it makes me sick to my stomach every time I see it on TV. Ugh, such a manipulative, look at me film that made me feel like I was watching the first draft of a wannabe 1st year film student script from USC's writing program who vomitted that crap out three days before his final project was due.

 

[Mike Olbinski]

drop dead gorgeous

THat was a good one.

 

[Jersey Girl]

also, anything sinbad is in. i've always maintained he's the most underrated comic genius of our time.

I have to admit that I loved that movie "Houseguest."

 

[NEZCardsfan]

I can't believe I'm reading this about Sinbad.

 

[jenna2891]

I can't believe I'm reading this about Sinbad.

i know, his underratedness saddens me, too.

 

[BigDavis75]

Michael Pena was AWESOME in Crash (he was the dad with the little girl, trying to make a new life outside the hood, right?)

Yes, that was him.

 

[BigDavis75]

As far as Crash - that has to be THE most overrated movie of all time - a pure compilation of unadulterated trash, thrown in with the greatest scene chewing "look at me, I'm in an Oscar role" acting performances by EVERYONE in the film. That movie was freaking drek - I can't tell you how much I hate that movie - it makes me sick to my stomach every time I see it on TV. Ugh, such a manipulative, look at me film that made me feel like I was watching the first draft of a wannabe 1st year film student script from USC's writing program who vomitted that crap out three days before his final project was due.

What a ridiculous thing to say, that movie was excellent and you are the only one that feels it was bad.

 

[Chaplin]

What a ridiculous thing to say, that movie was excellent and you are the only one that feels it was bad.

That's certainly not true, I know several people that had issues with the movie.

 

[Cheesebeef]

What a ridiculous thing to say, that movie was excellent and you are the only one that feels it was bad.

your kidding, right? I don't have the right to my own opinion and I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO FEELS IT WAS BAD? Good freaking lord - your opinion isn't the only one who's counts. There's a reason Crash was considered one of the greatest upset winners of all time in Oscar history. Sorry if I like to be emotionally moved in a movie through story, rather than being hit over the head with a hammer for 100 minutes. It's called subtlety, something Paul Haggis has apparently never heard of.

But yeah, I'm the only who feels that it was bad - me along with everyone that I know, except my parents who thought Super Ex-Girlfriend was the funniest movie of the year...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Terrence Howard, after Crash, was cast in the amazing Lackawanna Blues (possibly an underrated candidate) and I believe Hustle & Flow came after Crash also. Crash was a launching point for him. Michael Pena was also cast as the other lead (Nicholas Cage) in the new 9/11 movie.

do you have any idea how the movie industry works? Between pre-production, production and distribution, a movie - especially an independent movie like Hustle and Flow can take YEARS to get off the ground - and considering that Crash hit the festival scene in Toronto in 2004, I guess you're saying that Howard got the role in Hustle and Flow after that, went through pre-production, production AND post all before November of 2004 in order to have it ready for consideration for Sundance 2005. And, apparently Howard ws cast in Lackawanna Blues after Crash, even though Lackawanna Blues debuted on HBO in January of 2005, which I guess, by your theory, that Howard actually shot BOTH movies within a 3 month window and they were edited within another month to both hit the screens by January 2005.

Yeah, that might have happened. On issues such as these, give Chap and other people who work in the industry a little leeway so you don't make yourself look foolish in the future.

 

[Phlegyas]

I'm not sure how famous it was, but I always liked The Last Samurai.

 

[BigDavis75]

do you have any idea how the movie industry works? Between pre-production, production and distribution, a movie - especially an independent movie like Hustle and Flow can take YEARS to get off the ground - and considering that Crash hit the festival scene in Toronto in 2004, I guess you're saying that Howard got the role in Hustle and Flow after that, went through pre-production, production AND post all before November of 2004 in order to have it ready for consideration for Sundance 2005. And, apparently Howard ws cast in Lackawanna Blues after Crash, even though Lackawanna Blues debuted on HBO in January of 2005, which I guess, by your theory, that Howard actually shot BOTH movies within a 3 month window and they were edited within another month to both hit the screens by January 2005.

Yeah, that might have happened. On issues such as these, give Chap and other people who work in the industry a little leeway so you don't make yourself look foolish in the future.

So Lackawanna Blues was shown in 2005 and Crash was shown in 2004. How was Crash not made before that, since I would imagine it takes shorter to make an HBO movie and that HBO would put it out sooner than a major release such as Crash. If you could find me an article that would be great. Also, good job jumping down my throat when I said "I believe he was cast in Hustle & Flow after Crash."

 

[BigDavis75]

your kidding, right? I don't have the right to my own opinion and I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO FEELS IT WAS BAD? Good freaking lord - your opinion isn't the only one who's counts. There's a reason Crash was considered one of the greatest upset winners of all time in Oscar history. Sorry if I like to be emotionally moved in a movie through story, rather than being hit over the head with a hammer for 100 minutes. It's called subtlety, something Paul Haggis has apparently never heard of.

But yeah, I'm the only who feels that it was bad - me along with everyone that I know, except my parents who thought Super Ex-Girlfriend was the funniest movie of the year...

Was it beacuse it was "unadulterated trash?" You know, like you said in the earlier post. I can't recall a movie with that much praise that was "unadulterated trash" or "the first draft of a wannabe 1st year film student at USC." Give me a break.

 

[Chaplin]

So Lackawanna Blues was shown in 2005 and Crash was shown in 2004. How was Crash not made before that, since I would imagine it takes shorter to make an HBO movie and that HBO would put it out sooner than a major release such as Crash. If you could find me an article that would be great. Also, good job jumping down my throat when I said "I believe he was cast in Hustle & Flow after Crash."

Assuming HBO films take shorter to make is ridiculous. They have the same production value as normal films. Hell, Carnivale cost $2 million dollars AN EPISODE for chrissakes. You don't think Angels in America costs as much for HBO as it would have for Warner Bros.? HBO isn't ABC or NBC, you won't be seeing the lame "Elizabeth Smart Story" on HBO.

Just because Hustle & Flow was released after Crash doesn't mean he was cast in it before Crash. It also doesn't mean he was cast in Hustle & Flow BECAUSE of Crash. Considering nobody had seen the film when casting was done for H&F, it would be very difficult to substantiate such a statement.

 

[BigDavis75]

Assuming HBO films take shorter to make is ridiculous. They have the same production value as normal films. Hell, Carnivale cost $2 million dollars AN EPISODE for chrissakes. You don't think Angels in America costs as much for HBO as it would have for Warner Bros.? HBO isn't ABC or NBC, you won't be seeing the lame "Elizabeth Smart Story" on HBO.

Just because Hustle & Flow was released after Crash doesn't mean he was cast in it before Crash. It also doesn't mean he was cast in Hustle & Flow BECAUSE of Crash. Considering nobody had seen the film when casting was done for H&F, it would be very difficult to substantiate such a statement.

Okay, I'll say it again, I wasn't sure on Hustle & Flow. I just threw it in there. You still havn't told me whether Lackawanna Blues was created before or after Crash.

 

[Chaplin]

Okay, I'll say it again, I wasn't sure on Hustle & Flow. I just threw it in there. You still havn't told me whether Lackawanna Blues was created before or after Crash.

It's difficult to find out when exactly each film was in production, especially ones that are so close together...

Lackawanna Blues premiered at Sundance on Jan. 26th 2005 (unusual for a cable movie, don't you think?) It's budget was $12 million dollars.

Crash first appeared at the Toronto Film Festival on Sept 10th, 2004, but didn't appear in the US until the Newport Beach Film Festival on April 21st, 2005. It's budget was only $6.5 million dollars.

As a comparison, Hustle & Flow premiered at Sundance as well, in January, 2005 (the very same festival that Lackawanna Blues premiered at). It's budget was $8 million dollars.

That said, it's almost impossible to figure out which movie was in production first--I'd say Crash was probably produced first, but that's just a really unqualified guess.

But looking at the above, a couple things become clear:

1) Most likely, Terence Howard's casting in Hustle & Flow did NOT result from performances in Crash or Lackawanna Blues, since those films would not have even been seen by the time pre-production started on H&F.

2) The HBO film, Lackawanna Blues, was easily the highest budgeted film of them all.

3) Howard's role in Crash was actually not that big--probably pertaining to only 15-20 minutes of actual screen time. That could easily have been done over the course of a week, or more likely a couple of days, based on their budget.

4) There is no way to tell for sure whether Crash or Lackawanna Blues was first in production order, although it seems like Crash being first is a pretty good guess.

 

[Renz]

Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World is underrated IMO. Great movie!

Also, The Station Agent is way underrated. Great character-driven film.

 

[BigDavis75]

It's difficult to find out when exactly each film was in production, especially ones that are so close together...

Lackawanna Blues premiered at Sundance on Jan. 26th 2005 (unusual for a cable movie, don't you think?) It's budget was $12 million dollars.

Crash first appeared at the Toronto Film Festival on Sept 10th, 2004, but didn't appear in the US until the Newport Beach Film Festival on April 21st, 2005. It's budget was only $6.5 million dollars.

As a comparison, Hustle & Flow premiered at Sundance as well, in January, 2005 (the very same festival that Lackawanna Blues premiered at). It's budget was $8 million dollars.

That said, it's almost impossible to figure out which movie was in production first--I'd say Crash was probably produced first, but that's just a really unqualified guess.

But looking at the above, a couple things become clear:

1) Most likely, Terence Howard's casting in Hustle & Flow did NOT result from performances in Crash or Lackawanna Blues, since those films would not have even been seen by the time pre-production started on H&F.

2) The HBO film, Lackawanna Blues, was easily the highest budgeted film of them all.

3) Howard's role in Crash was actually not that big--probably pertaining to only 15-20 minutes of actual screen time. That could easily have been done over the course of a week, or more likely a couple of days, based on their budget.

4) There is no way to tell for sure whether Crash or Lackawanna Blues was first in production order, although it seems like Crash being first is a pretty good guess.

Fair enough, I just assumed that because of the length between Crash's premire and that of Lackawanna Blues that Howard received that role for how well he performed in Crash.