untouchable?

[BW52]

Who really is untouchable on this team?

Fitz
Calais Campbell
Daryl Washington
Patrick Peterson


young cheap talent still developing
Anthony Sherman FB
Rob Housler TE
Bobby Massie T
Nate Potter T
David Carter DT
Dan Williams NT

 

[joeshmo]

Levi Brown!

Yeah, that is right I said it.

 

[BW52]

Levi Brown!

Yeah, that is right I said it.

Nice one Joeshmo

 

[Catfish]

I would say at this point that NO ONE on this team is untouchable. I believe BA made that very clear when he took over at Indy last season for their ailing HC. Many veterans were sent packing because they wouldn't buy in to what BA was selling. He believes in eliminating common mistakes. He does this by emphasizing proper technique, and sufficient reps so that it becomes natural without having to think about it. It is hard, tedious work, but if you learn it, your players do not beat themselves, and THAT is the secret to his success. Bad habits are hard to erase, but that is what BA is all about. Those who won't do it will be flushed out with the old system.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Catfish,

Thanks for that post. I certainly hope that Arians does what you posted. This team needs discipline and good teaching coaches. Eliminating errors and penalties are huge in every game. They can make the difference of winning and losing.

So yes I am excited about what he will bring, but still a little on the "Show Me" side having heard all this before.

 

[sportznutt]

Why would we get rid of a guy like Fitz?

 

[Cards Czar]

I would say at this point that NO ONE on this team is untouchable. I believe BA made that very clear when he took over at Indy last season for their ailing HC. Many veterans were sent packing because they wouldn't buy in to what BA was selling. He believes in eliminating common mistakes. He does this by emphasizing proper technique, and sufficient reps so that it becomes natural without having to think about it. It is hard, tedious work, but if you learn it, your players do not beat themselves, and THAT is the secret to his success. Bad habits are hard to erase, but that is what BA is all about. Those who won't do it will be flushed out with the old system.

I will beg to differ for this year only. their are a few that you cannot get rid of this year due to the cap structure. Fitz, DD, L Brown, and 1-2 more. Now next year I would say yes no one is untouchable.

 

[Duckjake]

I would say at this point that NO ONE on this team is untouchable. I believe BA made that very clear when he took over at Indy last season for their ailing HC. Many veterans were sent packing because they wouldn't buy in to what BA was selling. He believes in eliminating common mistakes. He does this by emphasizing proper technique, and sufficient reps so that it becomes natural without having to think about it. It is hard, tedious work, but if you learn it, your players do not beat themselves, and THAT is the secret to his success. Bad habits are hard to erase, but that is what BA is all about. Those who won't do it will be flushed out with the old system.

Did the Colts release a bunch of players a quarter of the way into the season last year? Arians wasn't named interim HC until Oct 1.

 

[az240zz]

Why would we get rid of a guy like Fitz?

Because we can't get the ball to him and he would get us 3 draft picks. I would trade for #1 pick 2013, #1 pick 2014 and a 3 pick in 2013.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I would say at this point that NO ONE on this team is untouchable. I believe BA made that very clear when he took over at Indy last season for their ailing HC. Many veterans were sent packing because they wouldn't buy in to what BA was selling. He believes in eliminating common mistakes. He does this by emphasizing proper technique, and sufficient reps so that it becomes natural without having to think about it. It is hard, tedious work, but if you learn it, your players do not beat themselves, and THAT is the secret to his success. Bad habits are hard to erase, but that is what BA is all about. Those who won't do it will be flushed out with the old system.

and since Larry Fitzgerald adheres to "He does this by emphasizing proper technique, and sufficient reps so that it becomes natural without having to think about it. It is hard, tedious work...", he is untouchable then.along with the passing machines he must wear out on a daily basis

 

[sportznutt]

Because we can't get the ball to him and he would get us 3 draft picks. I would trade for #1 pick 2013, #1 pick 2014 and a 3 pick in 2013.

who would pay that much for him? a lot easier to fix the qb problem.......even derek anderson got him the ball.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

who would pay that much for him? a lot easier to fix the qb problem.......even derek anderson got him the ball.

Exactly. I love Fitz, but that is the type of stuff that you give up to get a QBOTF not a WR regardless how good that WR is.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Because we can't get the ball to him and he would get us 3 draft picks. I would trade for #1 pick 2013, #1 pick 2014 and a 3 pick in 2013.

I would like to see you get two first round picks for a WR, regardless of how good he is...an elite QB maybe could garner such picks now but to suggest that for a WR is hilarious.

 

[sportznutt]

I know I'm excited about the prospect of having Andre Roberts as a WR1.....if you thought we were bad before........

 

[Mitch]

I think that how things play out with Fitz this year will be very interesting to watch and keep an eye on. Even when Warner was here, Warner didn't want to have to feel any added pressure to get Fitz the ball---and I don't think Bruce Arians will want that either.

So, either Arians and Fitz come to an understanding---or I think it's quite possible that trade options might be explored, especially if they get an offer that could significantly improve the team.

Ideally, no one wants to trade Fitz---but we have so much ground to make up on the rest of the NFC West that it may have to be a consideration.

 

[Mitch]

I would like to see you get two first round picks for a WR, regardless of how good he is...an elite QB maybe could garner such picks now but to suggest that for a WR is hilarious.

The Falcons gave up a lot to get Julio Jones:

2011 1st
2011 2nd
20i1 4th
2012 1st

The Browns received the Falcons' 1st...so points wise it was the equivalent of getting a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd.

The net draft points for the Browns was 2,014 which is the equivalence of two first round picks---#9 & #18 adds up to a little over 2,000 points.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Levi Brown!

Yeah, that is right I said it.

Did better than Nate Potter did last year ?

THAT much better ?

I personally don't think so.

Levi Brown at 6.4 million against the cap ? <--- Stupid. I answered my own question for once: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/cutting-players-and-cap-savings-190552.html

Colledge and Snyder are untouchable too. Sucks!

 

[sportznutt]

The Falcons gave up a lot to get Julio Jones:

2011 1st
2011 2nd
20i1 4th
2012 1st

The Browns received the Falcons' 1st...so points wise it was the equivalent of getting a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd.

The net draft points for the Browns was 2,014 which is the equivalence of two first round picks---#9 & #18 adds up to a little over 2,000 points.

Perhaps, but in Jones they're getting someone young enough with that much potential. Fitzgerald will be 30 when the season begins.

 

[JeffGollin]

Did better than Nate Potter did last year ?

THAT much better ?

I personally don't think so.

Levi Brown at 6.4 million against the cap ?

My guess - every lineman on the roster, possible FA's from outside and draft prospects figures to be given (1) a base-line grade as of the end of last season, (2) a maximum upside potential grade and (3) a "coach-ability" assessment (shown as the number of months/years it should take to get from (1) to (2). This, in turn, will serve as a set of bench marks used to track how good each lineman is as of a given point in time and whether his amount of progress is on-track.

Since little if any of this has taken place yet, I don't think we can come close to accurately evaluating Levi compared to Potter (or anyone else). Gotta let the process play itself out.

 

[Mitch]

Perhaps, but in Jones they're getting someone young enough with that much potential. Fitzgerald will be 30 when the season begins.

Julio for the TD!

Yes, but Fitz at 30 is like anyone else at 25. He's got at least 5 more great years left and a couple good years after that.

 

[gmabel830]

The Falcons gave up a lot to get Julio Jones:

2011 1st
2011 2nd
20i1 4th
2012 1st

The Browns received the Falcons' 1st...so points wise it was the equivalent of getting a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd.

The net draft points for the Browns was 2,014 which is the equivalence of two first round picks---#9 & #18 adds up to a little over 2,000 points.

The part that people forget with trading Fitz is his massive contract. Most teams would have to cut/restructure a lot of guys to even fit Fitz into their cap structure, and by giving up so many picks those teams can't replace guys they need to get rid of to bring in Fitz. I think people over-value Fitz's trade value around here.

Not even factoring age into it, Julio Jones has a 4 year, $16M contract, while Fitz has an 8 year, $120M contract. That plays a lot in to their respective trade values.

 

[joeshmo]

Did better than Nate Potter did last year ?

Without a shadow of a doubt, yes. Just as good in pass pro, but 100% better in the run game.

You also have to remember that Grimm for the first time in his career here actually changed his scheme to make up for the lack of experience at OT. He gave a ton of help to Potter and Massie, way more so then he ever gave Brown.

 

[sportznutt]

Julio for the TD!

Yes, but Fitz at 30 is like anyone else at 25. He's got at least 5 more great years left and a couple good years after that.

But who would sell their entire future for a 30 year old? Much leas an expensive one?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Levi Brown!

Yeah, that is right I said it.

Only because he is a hologram.

 

[Stout]

I would like to see you get two first round picks for a WR, regardless of how good he is...an elite QB maybe could garner such picks now but to suggest that for a WR is hilarious.

"We think it's a great idea--in fact, we picked up Joey Galloway like that, and look what it got us!"--Dallas Cowboys