Update: Cardinals Tag Chandler Jones

[BigRedRage]

You don't go back to square 1 on finding a pass rusher when 2017 is Super Bowl or Bust.

For two firsts I would entertain it.

 

[juza76]

For two firsts I would entertain it.

Nobody will offer 2 first picks for him

 

[BigRedRage]

Nobody will offer 2 first picks for him

Probably not but that is the only way we do not keep him as the post I quoted was discussing.

 

[Finito]

Only Mack and Von Miller have more sacks than Jones the last two years.

Double digit sacks 3 of the last 4 years he's the truth and just turned 27 today.

Gotta pay him. I like CC but he's been proven to be a complimentary player not a corner stone. His best years were when Docket was good and last year with Jones and Golden. He needs others guys to take attention he can't split double teams like a guy like a Watt but he wants Watt money

 

[kerouac9]

Only Mack and Von Miller have more sacks than Jones the last two years.

Double digit sacks 3 of the last 4 years he's the truth and just turned 27 today.

Gotta pay him. I like CC but he's been proven to be a complimentary player not a corner stone. His best years were when Docket was good and last year with Jones and Golden. He needs others guys to take attention he can't split double teams like a guy like a Watt but he wants Watt money

No one who understands football would say this. This is a bad take.

Calais falls into the "better a year too early than a year too late" camp for me. It ducks to lose him and no one on the roster brings the flexibility he does all along the line.

Where's the evidence he wants "Watt money?"

 

[GatorAZ]

Nobody will offer 2 first picks for him

I'm trying to think if a team has ever given up two 1st's for a tagged player.

 

[juza76]

I'm trying to think if a team has ever given up two 1st's for a tagged player.

I remember jared allen, chief put the tag on him and Minnesota gave up 2 first

 

[MadCardDisease]

I'm trying to think if a team has ever given up two 1st's for a tagged player.

Joey Galloway from Seattle who Dallas signed and had to give up two first rounder's to Seattle.

 

[GatorAZ]

I remember jared allen, chief put the tag on him and Minnesota gave up 2 first

That one worked out pretty well actually.

Joey Galloway from Seattle who Dallas signed and had to give up two first rounder's to Seattle.

This one not so much.

 

[Sandan]

No one who understands football would say this. This is a bad take.

Calais falls into the "better a year too early than a year too late" camp for me. It ducks to lose him and no one on the roster brings the flexibility he does all along the line.

Where's the evidence he wants "Watt money?"

What are we ducking to lose him

 

[Finito]

No one who understands football would say this. This is a bad take.

Calais falls into the "better a year too early than a year too late" camp for me. It ducks to lose him and no one on the roster brings the flexibility he does all along the line.

Where's the evidence he wants "Watt money?"

Explain to me how it's wrong? Oh quickly how everyone forgets but two years ago CC was damn near invisible and being called out on this board and by the coaches.

He's not a cornerstone defensive player he's a complimentary player. When he has had someone else who can take pressure off him and he can be 1 on 1 he can succeed. How is this not true?

Ok maybe I shouldn't of said that if he wants Watt money I should of said if someone is willing to pay him big money then you have to let him walk.

 

[kerouac9]

Explain to me how it's wrong? Oh quickly how everyone forgets but two years ago CC was damn near invisible and being called out on this board and by the coaches.

He's not a cornerstone defensive player he's a complimentary player. When he has had someone else who can take pressure off him and he can be 1 on 1 he can succeed. How is this not true?

Ok maybe I shouldn't of said that if he wants Watt money I should of said if someone is willing to pay him big money then you have to let him walk.

Campbell wasn't invisible two years ago to anyone who was watching. The coaching staff wanted him to get even better, but Bill Barnwell and Robert Mays, among others, were singing his praises all season. He's an interior lineman; he's never going to get 12 sacks in a year.

What you don't understand that serious football people do is that an interior lineman who demands a double team on every play and can play every position on the line while never having to come off the field is a cornerstone player.

 

[Mainstreet]

If Chandler went to another team, when would the picks convey? Would they get a first rounder for this draft and the next draft or are they staggered.

 

[Finito]

Campbell wasn't invisible two years ago to anyone who was watching. The coaching staff wanted him to get even better, but Bill Barnwell and Robert Mays, among others, were singing his praises all season. He's an interior lineman; he's never going to get 12 sacks in a year.

What you don't understand that serious football people do is that an interior lineman who demands a double team on every play and can play every position on the line while never having to come off the field is a cornerstone player.

Oh trust me I understand you can try your hardest to play the whole your not a serious football guy because this and that but to say his impact has been the same when he had a prime Docket or last year with addition of Jones as without them is flat out wrong plain and simple.

How can you even try and argue this? There have been times in his career when he has gone long stretches with being really ineffective. Heck didn't BA even bench him at one point? Yes. Wasn't he heavily criticized by the coaching staff? Yes. To try and say he's been as effective as when he had a Docket or Jones is plain wrong and you know it

He struggles badly against double teams he can't split them or get off. JJ Wat gets the world thrown at him and he still dominated in his prime even when he had no help. That's cornerstone that's franchise. CC is a very good complimentary player with the right guys around him. There is nothing wrong with that

So if you think he's franchise and a cornerstone player what would you pay him to stay.

 

[Matt L]

Oh trust me I understand you can try your hardest to play the whole your not a serious football guy because this and that but to say his impact has been the same when he had a prime Docket or last year with addition of Jones as without them is flat out wrong plain and simple.

How can you even try and argue this? There have been times in his career when he has gone long stretches with being really ineffective. Heck didn't BA even bench him at one point? Yes. Wasn't he heavily criticized by the coaching staff? Yes. To try and say he's been as effective as when he had a Docket or Jones is plain wrong and you know it

He struggles badly against double teams he can't split them or get off. JJ Wat gets the world thrown at him and he still dominated in his prime even when he had no help. That's cornerstone that's franchise. CC is a very good complimentary player with the right guys around him. There is nothing wrong with that

I think Kerouac is trying to say that Calais Campbell is more than a complimentary player. Having Calais on the defensive line allowed Horton, Bowles and even Bettcher to run the defenses they wanted to run because he can do so many things at a very high level. He can eat up space by taking on multiple blockers, he has pass rush moves, he can go power or he can go with his quick hands. I can't remember what game it was but Horton ran a 2-4-5 one game; my memory is a little foggy but he was a down lineman and Dockett was a down lineman and they held their own against the run and keep the pressure on the passer. There aren't many defensive lineman who are versatile enough to allow the defense to run that formation.

Is he JJ Watt? No, JJ Watt might be considered the best defensive player of all time when he retires. Is he a very good player? yeah, I think he's a very good player.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Oh trust me I understand you can try your hardest to play the whole your not a serious football guy because this and that but to say his impact has been the same when he had a prime Docket or last year with addition of Jones as without them is flat out wrong plain and simple.

How can you even try and argue this? There have been times in his career when he has gone long stretches with being really ineffective. Heck didn't BA even bench him at one point? Yes. Wasn't he heavily criticized by the coaching staff? Yes. To try and say he's been as effective as when he had a Docket or Jones is plain wrong and you know it

He struggles badly against double teams he can't split them or get off. JJ Wat gets the world thrown at him and he still dominated in his prime even when he had no help. That's cornerstone that's franchise. CC is a very good complimentary player with the right guys around him. There is nothing wrong with that

So if you think he's franchise and a cornerstone player what would you pay him to stay.

Campbell does one thing really well, he holds his own where ever he is placed and the offense simply cannot move him. CC is like a nose tackle in that aspect and I think he gets a lot of his pressures after OLmen get exhausted trying to move him. He is rather a foundation player and other players benefit off of that. I do not think he is worth Watt money because he is not that dynamic... it's a hard gauge, because he frees up so many other players but then it's up to those players to compliment him

 

[Mitch]

Campbell has become a very good run stopper...one of the best in the NFL. I think his play versus the run this year was about as good as any I've seen from a Cardinals' DT. 53 tackles (34 solo)---8 sacks---3 fumble recoveries, 1 for a TD, 3 forced fumbles, 6 pass defended, 1 interception---that is one heckuva job.


Aaron Donald---47 tackles (35 solo)---8 sacks---0 fumble recoveries---2 forced fumbles---5 pass defended. And the Rams' defense was on the field way longer than the Cardinals' this season.

 

[kerouac9]

Oh trust me I understand you can try your hardest to play the whole your not a serious football guy because this and that but to say his impact has been the same when he had a prime Docket or last year with addition of Jones as without them is flat out wrong plain and simple.

How can you even try and argue this? There have been times in his career when he has gone long stretches with being really ineffective. Heck didn't BA even bench him at one point? Yes. Wasn't he heavily criticized by the coaching staff? Yes. To try and say he's been as effective as when he had a Docket or Jones is plain wrong and you know it

He struggles badly against double teams he can't split them or get off. JJ Wat gets the world thrown at him and he still dominated in his prime even when he had no help. That's cornerstone that's franchise. CC is a very good complimentary player with the right guys around him. There is nothing wrong with that

So if you think he's franchise and a cornerstone player what would you pay him to stay.

He's not J.J.Watt, but there's a different between being the single most dominant defensive player in a generation and a complementary player.

Corey Peters is a complementary player. Calais Campbell is a cornerstone. And, no, he was never benched by Arians.

 

[speedy]

I can see Campbell push to his late 30's before he retires. I bet he plays at a high level an easy 3-4 years, which is why I don't think we keep him. He's going to command big money and he is most certainly worth what he will command. If I had holes on the DL, he'd be my top priority to lock on a generous long term deal.

 

[MrYeahBut]

No one in the league can touch his voice either.

 

[Shane]

No one in the league can touch his voice either.

I know it's awful

 

[Dude]

You don't go back to square 1 on finding a pass rusher when 2017 is Super Bowl or Bust.

That's true. This is it with CP IMO.

 

[Dude]

No one in the league can touch his voice either.

Every time I hear him talk I wounder if roids did that?

As to the rest of the debate IMO we are done to a one year window with this team we better keep him for that.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Every time I hear him talk I wounder if roids did that?

As to the rest of the debate IMO we are done to a one year window with this team we better keep him for that.

I knew a trumpet player for a band I was in back in the day that spoke like that... he had Scarlet Fever as a child

 

[Matt L]

Campbell has become a very good run stopper...one of the best in the NFL. I think his play versus the run this year was about as good as any I've seen from a Cardinals' DT. 53 tackles (34 solo)---8 sacks---3 fumble recoveries, 1 for a TD, 3 forced fumbles, 6 pass defended, 1 interception---that is one heckuva job.


Aaron Donald---47 tackles (35 solo)---8 sacks---0 fumble recoveries---2 forced fumbles---5 pass defended. And the Rams' defense was on the field way longer than the Cardinals' this season.

Every team in the league would love to have Aaron Donald. Every team in the league would love to have Calais Campbell.

I don't care what the costs or if it puts us in cap hell for a couple seasons, i say keep him. They could probably figure out a way to push his cap hit a couple seasons down the road, the questions is, do they want to do that?