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Didn't he bring us BSP?????????
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Didn't he bring us BSP?????????
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this strikes me as a little odd.
BigDavis75
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Me too. I doubt the difference is that big between the two players that we would be better off giving up a 3rd for Whitehurst rather than nothing for DA.
It'll be interesting to see how the offensive playcalling changes this year, no matter who is the QB, but because the Cardinals are looking at him, it's a reasonable indicator they want to go up the field farther in fewer plays.NFP said:
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I think this move is made basically for 2011. Unless Leinart plays very good football this season he will be looking elsewhere for employment because of his contract. Obviously Wiz sees some upside with the kid, he does have a solid pedigree with his dad playing many years in GB.
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I really hope we don't give up a 3rd rounder for this guy. We need depth on defense and we need to take advantage of the depth of the TE's in this draft FIRST and FOREMOST.
We would need to sign both Porter and Foote to justify this move. If we don't sign these guys then we need all of our draft picks to fill in the roster.
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Depth is needed at QB also considering there is only 1 on the roster. If Whisenhunt thinks Whitehurst is the best option as a backup then why not try and sign him?
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The team probably knows if they are going to get a comp pick or two, and that could lead them to give up a draft pick for the QB.
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Because there are other options that don't cost us a crucial draft pick this year. We are talking about a BACK UP here.
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Yea, but if we were planning on using that 'crucial' draft pick on a QB anyways, then at least we get a young QB with a little experience (even if the experience isn't necessarily on field).
Krangodnzr
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No, we're talking about a potential starting QB here. Leinart has NOT locked up the starting job, and all indications based on the moves the club is trying to make and what Whiz has said point to the fact that he desperately wants someone who can push Leinart for the the starting job.
Derek Anderson has probably proven he can't start in this league and neither can any of the other FAs out there. Also, unless were using a 1st or 2nd round pick, none of the other QBs have the skill set or pedigree that Whitehurst has. Nor do any of the draftees this year have any experience either.
Whitehurst has a 1st round arm and 1st round size. He can also move around the pocket well. In fact if we're just rating QBs on pure physical attibutes, he blows Leinart away.
Now should we use a 3rd rounder on the guy? Unless the Cards are secretly NOT sold on Leinart, then no. If Whiz thinks that Leinart is a total dud, then I'll have to defer to Whiz's judgement on these matters. I want Leinart to succeed, but you have to remember that we don't see what goes on at the training facility or on the practice field. I'm seriously leaning towards the notion that Whiz thinks that Leinart is going to fail and is hedging his bets.
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yeesh... if he's got a 1st round arm and 1st round size, does that imply he has a 7th round brain if he last till the third round and is still the 3rd quarterback on his team?
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Krangodnzr
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Yes and no. He showed nice accuracy at times at Clemson (I actually watched him a few times so this isn't hearsay) but he also struggled at times as well. Overall he had a disappointing career at Clemson, which is why he lasted until the 3rd round. However, I would chalk up his struggles to inadequate talent, and not his skill. Whitehurst rarely had NFL talent at WR or offensive line (look at how many draftees came from Clemson's offense while he was there).
Honestly, I don't get all the consternation over our attempt to drastically improve the talent at QB. Whitehurst IMO is the best QB realistically available outside of drafting a QB high, and obviously the Cardinals agree.
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while you may chalk up his struggles to inadequate talent, that didn't effect guys like Ben Rothlesberger, Jay Cutler, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning... all guys with 1st round arms and size, all guys who didn't have adequate talent around them... all guys who still graded out as 1st rounders.
just doesn't show a whole lot to me that the guy is still behind Billy Volek and was disappointing at Clemson, especially playing in an ACC that has been pathetic for a long time now. I mean, it's not even like he was at an SEC school and struggled. If you're that good, the cream rises to the top. Just seems like giving up a 3rd rounder and a likely big contract feels like a lot of what looks to me like a long shot when this team has so many glaring holes everywhere on the roster.
Krangodnzr
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I don't look at things in such absolutes; Ben Roethlisberger played a schedule that was fitting for the talent level at his college so I don't he's an adequate comparison. Also you're comparing him to top 10 picks, which is not where Whitehurst was drafted and wouldn't be the cost for Whitehurst!
I'd like for the team NOT to trade a 3rd rounder, but if they do I'd have to have faith in a program that obviously has been run pretty well the past 3 seasons. If we trade a 3rd rounder, Whisenhunt wants to and as I said in the previous post, I have to defer to his greatness
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Chus, I agree with you on this. Has bad as we need to fix our defensive problems, you have to take care of the position that run your team.
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I'm hoping we can work out a trade with SD, for either less than a third or for a 2011 pick. And even if he is a backup QB, he'd only be one hit away from being a starter. If the team thinks that Anderson or someone else could fill in for Matt, then they won't sign him. If not, they will. I have faith in the FO.
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Or...
Could each team be using the possibility that they might sign Whitehurst (thereby denying his services to the other) as a ploy to bid up Whitehurst's cost so that the other team - if they want him - won't be able to negotiate "down" with the Chargers and will. due to the competition, be forced to give up a 3rd round pick?
Stout
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It isn't consternation about trying to drastically improve the talent at QB; that is only your opinion. MY opinion is that we would be giving up a 3rd round pick for a complete bum.
Krangodnzr
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Ok Chief, feel what you will, but in Whiz I trust and for the past three years he's been correct.
All I know is there is virtually no proof that he's a complete bum either, and that's the consternation I'm talking about.
He hasn't shown ANYTHING as a pro QB, but he does have more natural talent (size, strength, accuracy) than any QB that you'll get in the 3rd round or later and already knows the NFL.
In Whiz we trust!
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Yes. That is my thinking on the subject.
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