Update on Whitehurst

[HoodieBets]

What is gonna happen if matty sucks which he has shown he is capable of you guys want DA one of the worst QB's in the league to come in? No thanks we could lock up whitehurst for more years and less money and IMO is a better QB from everything I have heard from past training camps. People on this board who have no clue about whitehurst except for four years ago at clemson and think he is a bum because hes behind a top 5 QB and a top 3 backup QB by that logic breaston was a bum bc he was the teams 3rd best WR. This team better do something this year about a QBOF or we will be sitting around next year with our thumb up our arse.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

It would be a pretty gutsy move to trade a 3rd rounder for a backup QB on offense. Defense just gave up almost 100 pts in two games in the playoffs. I hope this is just the front office playing negotiating games.

 

[lobo]

Ok Chief, feel what you will, but in Whiz I trust and for the past three years he's been correct.

All I know is there is virtually no proof that he's a complete bum either, and that's the consternation I'm talking about.

He hasn't shown ANYTHING as a pro QB, but he does have more natural talent (size, strength, accuracy) than any QB that you'll get in the 3rd round or later and already knows the NFL.

In Whiz we trust!

totally agree...anybody ever think that clause/bradford or any other college qb ever threw a pass in an nfl game?? this guy has been good enough to stay on an nfl roster for three or so years...how does that make him a "bum" he has an outstanding college pedigree and an impressive arm...the unknown is how well and fast he can read a defense.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

It would be a pretty gutsy move to trade a 3rd rounder for a backup QB on offense. Defense just gave up almost 100 pts in two games in the playoffs. I hope this is just the front office playing negotiating games.

This is what you call short term vision and why I am glad the FO is being paid for this kind of thing.

Because your defense gave up 90 points in 2 playoff games, doesn't mean you should not address the QB position every way possible. I don't know if Whitehurst is the answer but with his arm, accuracy in college, and pedigree (playing behind Rivers and for Norv Turner) I think a 3rd round pick wouldn't be that big a cost, especially if we were going to go in that direction with a Jevan Snead or Tim Tebow anyway. I would much rather have Charlie then those two.

I will say that I have been saying for months that this offseason will show how much faith Wiz has in Leinart by whom he tries to pursue and what he gives up.

And this isn't a strong show of faith in Matt IMO

 

[Shogun]

4. Arizona is far from convinced that Matt Leinart is its short- or long-term answer at quarterback. His work ethic and commitment continue to be questioned, I’m told by sources in the Cardinals building. It would surprise me if Leinart is the starter on opening day, especially if the team is able to sign Charlie Whitehurst from the Chargers. Whitehurst is a hard worker, dedicated teammate and willing to pay the price to be a starter in the NFL.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sunday-at-the-Post-1029.html

 

[Stout]

Ok Chief, feel what you will, but in Whiz I trust and for the past three years he's been correct.

All I know is there is virtually no proof that he's a complete bum either, and that's the consternation I'm talking about.

He hasn't shown ANYTHING as a pro QB, but he does have more natural talent (size, strength, accuracy) than any QB that you'll get in the 3rd round or later and already knows the NFL.

In Whiz we trust!

Well, there was proof that he was a bum coming out of college, as has been shown on this thread. I thought he was a bum coming out of college. He's been buried at #3 on the depth chart behind an old almost-was QB, and he costs a high draft pick. Yeah, I'm supposed to be thrilled about this one, right?

I'll trust in Whiz, but I'll still blast the team when I think they do something stupid.

 

[bg7brd]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sunday-at-the-Post-1029.html

I have a hard time believing this. Leinart may or may not make it as a QB but coach Whiz has stated more than once that he is impressed with Matt's hard work and dedication. This appears to be really old news.

 

[HoodieBets]

Well, there was proof that he was a bum coming out of college, as has been shown on this thread. I thought he was a bum coming out of college. He's been buried at #3 on the depth chart behind an old almost-was QB, and he costs a high draft pick. Yeah, I'm supposed to be thrilled about this one, right?

I'll trust in Whiz, but I'll still blast the team when I think they do something stupid.

CHARLIE WHITEHURST STATS
Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating
2005 338 227 67.2 2,474 11 10 133.5
2004 349 177 50.7 2,067 7 17 97.3
2003 465 288 61.9 3,561 21 13 135.6
2002 214 123 57.5 1,554 10 6 128.3
Career1366 815 59.7 9,656 49 46 124.1



Bum in college huh? check out that passer rating and completion percentage his last year the TD to INT ratio looks bad but he had horrible route running WR, career 60% completion rate is pretty damn job esp with the teams he had.

 

[HoodieBets]

I have a hard time believing this. Leinart may or may not make it as a QB but coach Whiz has stated more than once that he is impressed with Matt's hard work and dedication. This appears to be really old news.

How can it be old if it talks about signing whitehurst this is prob at the most 2 weeks old.

 

[bg7brd]

How can it be old if it talks about signing whitehurst this is prob at the most 2 weeks old.

The writer is using old news to back his argument.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Well, there was proof that he was a bum coming out of college, as has been shown on this thread. I thought he was a bum coming out of college. He's been buried at #3 on the depth chart behind an old almost-was QB, and he costs a high draft pick. Yeah, I'm supposed to be thrilled about this one, right?

I'll trust in Whiz, but I'll still blast the team when I think they do something stupid.

Actually, I haven't seen it shown how he was a bum coming out of college. I mean the guy was a 3rd round pick, drafted as a QBOTF just in case Rivers didn't pan out. It's not like we're talking about a guy who has never been considered a "good prospect".

Billy Volek an "almost-was"? Heh, I'd take Billy Volek as my #2 any day of the week, and especially over a developmental prospect who was taken just in case Rivers (another QB I was extremely high on) didn't pan out.

Additionally, as it's been stated over and over, don't get in a tizzy over compensation just yet, there is an even chance that Whitehurst could be had for less than a 3rd round choice.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Maybe the FO is willing to give up a 3rd just to make the rest of the deal financially feasible

 

[lobo]

Depth is needed at QB also considering there is only 1 on the roster. If Whisenhunt thinks Whitehurst is the best option as a backup then why not try and sign him?

because ther board supports a whole lot of non-paid experts who know more than KW. Doncha' get it?? Those who don't think much of Whitehurst betta' swallow hard cause he is a comin'. my guess is safety net if team can't sign bulger who i believe is the main target....they may get cold feet waiting and go after anderson, but there will be one seasoned vet signed...whitehurst will be the new BSP.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't look at things in such absolutes; Ben Roethlisberger played a schedule that was fitting for the talent level at his college so I don't he's an adequate comparison. Also you're comparing him to top 10 picks, which is not where Whitehurst was drafted and wouldn't be the cost for Whitehurst!

I'm comparing him to first round talent because you put the whole "first round arm, size" argument out there Krang. That's all my argument was that the kid didn't have first round talent and I thought it was a pretty big bit of over-hyping him on your part.

I'd like for the team NOT to trade a 3rd rounder, but if they do I'd have to have faith in a program that obviously has been run pretty well the past 3 seasons. If we trade a 3rd rounder, Whisenhunt wants to and as I said in the previous post, I have to defer to his greatness

i can't argue with that too much. if Wiz likes him and is willing to deal a pick, I gotta have faith, but good lord does that speak poorly of Matt. oh wells.

 

[Shane]

but good lord does that speak poorly of Matt. oh wells.

Yup. That's the key right there. They swear up and down that they want to bring in someone who can push Matt for the starting spot. If this kid is the one they think can do that it says a lot IMO of what he thinks of Matt.

 

[Stout]

CHARLIE WHITEHURST STATS
Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating
2005 338 227 67.2 2,474 11 10 133.5
2004 349 177 50.7 2,067 7 17 97.3
2003 465 288 61.9 3,561 21 13 135.6
2002 214 123 57.5 1,554 10 6 128.3
Career1366 815 59.7 9,656 49 46 124.1



Bum in college huh? check out that passer rating and completion percentage his last year the TD to INT ratio looks bad but he had horrible route running WR, career 60% completion rate is pretty damn job esp with the teams he had.

Wow, looking at those stats, I really don't like him now. This bolsters my opinion of him coming out. If you can't star at your own school, why should I think you'd star in the pros? 7 TD 17 INT his junior year? 11 and 10 his senior year? Only threw 18 INT his junior and senior year COMBINDED? Yeah, completion percentage is nice, and you can do a little bit of complaining about the talent level around him, but good lord are those bad numbers for a prospective QB!

18 TD and 27 INT between his junior and senior seasons? BUM!

 

[Shane]

Wow, looking at those stats, I really don't like him now. This bolsters my opinion of him coming out. If you can't star at your own school, why should I think you'd star in the pros? 7 TD 17 INT his junior year? 11 and 10 his senior year? Only threw 18 INT his junior and senior year COMBINDED? Yeah, completion percentage is nice, and you can do a little bit of complaining about the talent level around him, but good lord are those bad numbers for a prospective QB!

18 TD and 27 INT between his junior and senior seasons? BUM!

I tend to agree. Look at the bum's Eli manning had around him at Ole Miss. His numbers were still very good. A good QB makes mediocre talent look way better IMO. That shows that he clearly didnt do that.

 

[Mitch]

Per PFT, Whitehurst has been offered contracts by the Cardinals and the Seahawks and plans to decide in the next 48 hours, according to his agent Steve Wyche.

Apparently the Seahawks have worked out acceptable compensation with the Chargers in light of the fact they they do not have a 3rd round pick.

If Whitehurst decides on the Cardinals, the Cardinals wil be giving up their third round pick (#89) in this year's draft.

 

[splitsecond]

looks like whitehurst has an offer from us and the seahags. hopefully we also bartered some alternative compensation that is in line with what seattle bartered.

 

[Stout]

Actually, I haven't seen it shown how he was a bum coming out of college. I mean the guy was a 3rd round pick, drafted as a QBOTF just in case Rivers didn't pan out. It's not like we're talking about a guy who has never been considered a "good prospect".

Billy Volek an "almost-was"? Heh, I'd take Billy Volek as my #2 any day of the week, and especially over a developmental prospect who was taken just in case Rivers (another QB I was extremely high on) didn't pan out.

Additionally, as it's been stated over and over, don't get in a tizzy over compensation just yet, there is an even chance that Whitehurst could be had for less than a 3rd round choice.

Hey, there was a time when I would have welcomed Volek as a starter, but he never really got that chance. He never made it as a starter, but for a while has been a good vet backup. I'd still accept him as a vet backup, but if I were a team with a supposedly solid prospect behind him, well, that kid would eventually jump the vet on the depth chart. He never did and never could. Why? Maybe he isn't any good. I certainly didn't think he was any good coming out of college, and nothing I've seen to date has changed my opinion.

 

[Shane]

Per PFT, Whitehurst has been offered contracts by the Cardinals and the Seahawks and plans to decide in the next 48 hours, according to his agent Steve Wyche.

Apparently the Seahawks have worked out acceptable compensation with the Chargers in light of the fact they they do not have a 3rd round pick.

If Whitehurst decides on the Cardinals, the Cardinals wil be giving up their third round pick (#89) in this year's draft.

I call bunk. If the Seahawks have worked out "acceptable compensation" and they don't have a 3rd rounder then the Cards can probably get him for less than a 3rd. Would make sense. You don't have to give up the 3rd if the Chargers would take less. That being said I hope he chooses the Seahawks.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Hey, there was a time when I would have welcomed Volek as a starter, but he never really got that chance. He never made it as a starter, but for a while has been a good vet backup. I'd still accept him as a vet backup, but if I were a team with a supposedly solid prospect behind him, well, that kid would eventually jump the vet on the depth chart. He never did and never could. Why? Maybe he isn't any good. I certainly didn't think he was any good coming out of college, and nothing I've seen to date has changed my opinion.

None of us has seen anything because there was nothing to see, which was open to the public.

Whiz is privy to the inside info, and until proven wrong - I'll trust his acquired judgment.

 

[splitsecond]

I call bunk. If the Seahawks have worked out "acceptable compensation" and they don't have a 3rd rounder then the Cards can probably get him for less than a 3rd. Would make sense. You don't have to give up the 3rd if the Chargers would take less. That being said I hope he chooses the Seahawks.

One would think that he has a greater opportunity for playing time in Seattle with Hasslebeck being old and crusty.

 

[Shane]

One would think that he has a greater opportunity for playing time in Seattle with Hasslebeck being old and crusty.

Thats true. But the mere fact that this is the guy we are willing to give up draft picks for to "compete and push" Matty doesnt give me anymore confidence that I already didnt have in him.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Thats true. But the mere fact that this is the guy we are willing to give up draft picks for to "compete and push" Matty doesnt give me anymore confidence that I already didnt have in him.

And if we drafted a QB in the third round, would it give you anymore confidence?