Update on Whitehurst

[Shane]

And if we drafted a QB in the third round, would it give you anymore confidence?

If he had better than the atrocious stats than this guy did at Clemson I would have to say yes. Bad talent around you isnt an excuse to play that bad. Good QB's make the people around them better. They dont play down to their level.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

If he had better than the atrocious stats than this guy did at Clemson I would have to say yes. Bad talent around you isnt an excuse to play that bad. Good QB's make the people around them better. They dont play down to their level.

If it was just about the stats... he wouldn't have been originally drafted in the third, don't you think?

(and what is it exactly that we know, as of today, that Whiz and Pete Carroll, don't?)

 

[Shane]

If it was just about the stats... he wouldn't have been originally drafted in the third, don't you think?

(and what is it exactly that we know, as of today, that Whiz and Pete Carroll, don't?)

I dont care what we know or dont know. Neither Whiz or Carroll are in those Chargers practices watching this kid on a daily basis. All they are getting is rave reviews from people inside the Chargers organization most likely.

We may end up getting the kid. but I dont have to like it.

 

[Shane]

If it was just about the stats... he wouldn't have been originally drafted in the third, don't you think?

(and what is it exactly that we know, as of today, that Whiz and Pete Carroll, don't?)

Lots of people get drafted on measurables only BTW. Woopty doo.

 

[slinslin]

Giving up a 3rd rounder for him would be mind-boggling when you could probably draft someone like Colt McCoy in the 3rd round. Or John Skelton in the 4th.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Giving up a 3rd rounder for him would be mind-boggling when you could probably draft someone like Colt McCoy in the 3rd round. Or John Skelton in the 4th.

Oh Jesus. And why do you think either of those two guys would be better then Whitehurst???

Those are just the names you recognize or the name of a guy you have heard a couple talking heads bring up and saw for 20 snaps this offseason. chances are you still couldn't pick Skelton out of a police line up, yet you are adamant he is a better player then Whitehurst.

Shane - You know who else had putrid numbers in college with much better talent? Tom Brady.

Sometimes guys are better NFL guys then NCAA guys and vice versa. I find it a little ironic that you are bashing Whitehurst based on his college production, yet we have one of the most prolific NCAA passers in the history of the game on our depth chart, and you have no love for him either.

And I would be talking out of both sides of my mouth if I said I like the fact that Matt had been learning with Wiz and behind Kurt the last two years, yet short cut Whitehurst when he has a better arm, mobility, and been in an even better environment for QB's (behind Rivers and with Turner) and not like that.

Personally I am loving the idea of Whitehurst and Leinart duking it out. Thats a couple of young guns with good NFL pedigrees going at each other with the winner getting the keys to the kingdom.

I sure as hell hope he doesn't go to the Seahawks as I believe we will regret that decision. Then we end up with Bulger or some other crap....puke.

 

[Mitch]

Darren Urban just wrote in his blog that he could envision a scenario where the Cardinals acquire Whithurst and Derek Anderson (more likely to a short term deal).

 

[slinslin]

Oh Jesus. And why do you think either of those two guys would be better then Whitehurst???

Those are just the names you recognize or the name of a guy you have heard a couple talking heads bring up and saw for 20 snaps this offseason. chances are you still couldn't pick Skelton out of a police line up, yet you are adamant he is a better player then Whitehurst.

Shane - You know who else had putrid numbers in college with much better talent? Tom Brady.

Sometimes guys are better NFL guys then NCAA guys and vice versa. I find it a little ironic that you are bashing Whitehurst based on his college production, yet we have one of the most prolific NCAA passers in the history of the game on our depth chart, and you have no love for him either.

And I would be talking out of both sides of my mouth if I said I like the fact that Matt had been learning with Wiz and behind Kurt the last two years, yet short cut Whitehurst when he has a better arm, mobility, and been in an even better environment for QB's (behind Rivers and with Turner) and not like that.

Personally I am loving the idea of Whitehurst and Leinart duking it out. Thats a couple of young guns with good NFL pedigrees going at each other with the winner getting the keys to the kingdom.

I sure as hell hope he doesn't go to the Seahawks as I believe we will regret that decision. Then we end up with Bulger or some other crap....puke.

Well he has been in the league for some years and has shown about as much as St.Pierre if not less..

I am not adamant about McCoy or Skelton being better, but they have proven about as much as Whitehurst which is nothing.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Well he has been in the league for some years and has shown about as much as St.Pierre if not less..

I am not adamant about McCoy or Skelton being better, but they have proven about as much as Whitehurst which is nothing.

There is an argument to be made, that Whitehurst's time in San Diego has prepared him to go in at this point. This can't be said for some third round QB given the requisite learning curve.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Well he has been in the league for some years and has shown about as much as St.Pierre if not less..

I am not adamant about McCoy or Skelton being better, but they have proven about as much as Whitehurst which is nothing.

You do realize he is playing behind arguably the best young QB in the NFL right? One who has been amazingly productive and durable.

I read somewhere that the Chargers have been "hiding" him from other teams and that internally they love him. But they have a stud young QB and the ideal vet backup for a team with Super Bowl aspirations.

There is a reason they tendered him at the 3rd round. If he was a complete bust and didn't think teams would pursue him, he would have gotten the lowest tender. It also says something that two guys who know a little bit about coaching have already made him an offer.

Just because dude has been down on the depth chart, doesn't mean he can't play. By your logic, three years ago you wouldn't have given up a third round pick for Aaron Rodgers because no one knew what they had in him. Now you could offer GB three consecutive first rounders and they would turn you down.

 

[joshstmarie]

Oh Jesus. And why do you think either of those two guys would be better then Whitehurst???

Those are just the names you recognize or the name of a guy you have heard a couple talking heads bring up and saw for 20 snaps this offseason. chances are you still couldn't pick Skelton out of a police line up, yet you are adamant he is a better player then Whitehurst.

Shane - You know who else had putrid numbers in college with much better talent? Tom Brady.

Sometimes guys are better NFL guys then NCAA guys and vice versa. I find it a little ironic that you are bashing Whitehurst based on his college production, yet we have one of the most prolific NCAA passers in the history of the game on our depth chart, and you have no love for him either.

And I would be talking out of both sides of my mouth if I said I like the fact that Matt had been learning with Wiz and behind Kurt the last two years, yet short cut Whitehurst when he has a better arm, mobility, and been in an even better environment for QB's (behind Rivers and with Turner) and not like that.

Personally I am loving the idea of Whitehurst and Leinart duking it out. Thats a couple of young guns with good NFL pedigrees going at each other with the winner getting the keys to the kingdom.

I sure as hell hope he doesn't go to the Seahawks as I believe we will regret that decision. Then we end up with Bulger or some other crap....puke.

/thumbs up

I always love your posts.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Just because dude has been down on the depth chart, doesn't mean he can't play. By your logic, three years ago you wouldn't have given up a third round pick for Aaron Rodgers because no one knew what they had in him.

jeez... putting complete bunk arguments in people's mouths just sucks, especially when that argument you're making for them sucks even more. Rodgers was a great college QB, a bonafide 1st round talent and had actually done pretty well in some fill in duty for Brett, as opposed to being a dissappointing college player, drafted in the 3rd round and playing the BSP of the Chargers having never seen the field. Rodgers' stock and Whitenhurt's are pretty much nothing alike.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Shane - You know who else had putrid numbers in college with much better talent? Tom Brady.

Come on, man. Brady's the exception to the rule. You know it, I know it. I don't using him as evidence of anything does much to help support your argument.

 

[Shane]

I find it a little ironic that you are bashing Whitehurst based on his college production, yet we have one of the most prolific NCAA passers in the history of the game on our depth chart, and you have no love for him either.
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That same person with some of the most prolific callege #'s in history has been pretty average/bad and given me reason not to be very excited for him at the next level. Until he proves other wise that's how I feel. I would say my level of enthusiasm for him is a tad more justified than those of you who feel he will be THE MAN personally.

The team and Whiz specifically have been quoted as saying that they want to bring somebody in that will push Matty for the starters job. If this guy is him I wonder just how much confidence Whiz has in Matt internally despite what he says externally.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That same person with some of the most prolific callege #'s in history has been pretty average/bad and given me reason not to be very excited for him at the next level. Until he proves other wise that's how I feel. I would say my level of enthusiasm for him is a tad more justified than those of you who feel he will be THE MAN personally.

The team and Whiz specifically have been quoted as saying that they want to bring somebody in that will push Matty for the starters job. If this guy is him I wonder just how much confidence Whiz has in Matt internally despite what he says externally.

why are you even wondering anymore Shane?

 

[JeffGollin]

You can go the stat route. Or you can read the dude's scouting write-ups. Or make a judgment based on when he was drafted; but what it all boils down to is:

"When Whitehurst takes the snap - from under center or in the shotgun, reads the defense, moves around and outside the pocket, decides to pull the trigger and then let's 'er rip - what's he like? How good is he?"

Short answer for most of us: "We don't know." We're just fans who (unless we've been obsessed with tracking backup QB's) get most if not all our information second hand from "what we read or heard somewhere."

What you hope for is that one or more people on the Cardinal coaching staff or in the FO know and trust someone on the Charger's staff (or someone who recently was on the SD staff), a former SD player etc. to give them the honest skinny on Whitehurst.

 

[Shane]

Oh Jesus. And why do you think either of those two guys would be better then Whitehurst???

Those are just the names you recognize or the name of a guy you have heard a couple talking heads bring up and saw for 20 snaps this offseason. chances are you still couldn't pick Skelton out of a police line up, yet you are adamant he is a better player then Whitehurst.

Shane - You know who else had putrid numbers in college with much better talent? Tom Brady.

Sometimes guys are better NFL guys then NCAA guys and vice versa. I find it a little ironic that you are bashing Whitehurst based on his college production, yet we have one of the most prolific NCAA passers in the history of the game on our depth chart, and you have no love for him either.

And I would be talking out of both sides of my mouth if I said I like the fact that Matt had been learning with Wiz and behind Kurt the last two years, yet short cut Whitehurst when he has a better arm, mobility, and been in an even better environment for QB's (behind Rivers and with Turner) and not like that.

Personally I am loving the idea of Whitehurst and Leinart duking it out. Thats a couple of young guns with good NFL pedigrees going at each other with the winner getting the keys to the kingdom.

I sure as hell hope he doesn't go to the Seahawks as I believe we will regret that decision. Then we end up with Bulger or some other crap....puke.

Also you are talking out your you know what saying Brady had TERRIBLE college stats.

http://stats.ath.umich.edu/football/cmaster.php?pkey=83

 

[Shane]

why are you even wondering anymore Shane?

Um because I cant read minds. Whiz may believe what he says about Matt. Makes me wonder no more no less.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Um because I cant read minds. Whiz may believe what he says about Matt. Makes me wonder no more no less.

I don't know Shane. actions speak louder than words IMO.

just an aside... Lebron James is freaking disgusting. Dude's like Magic Johnson crossed with Scottie Pippen's athleticism.

 

[Buckybird]

interesting news, looks like a bidding war. I wonder who offered the Bolts more?

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/03/14/a-possible-quarterback-scenario/

 

[Arizona's Finest]

/thumbs up

I always love your posts.

Thanks

 

[Arizona's Finest]

jeez... putting complete bunk arguments in people's mouths just sucks, especially when that argument you're making for them sucks even more. Rodgers was a great college QB, a bonafide 1st round talent and had actually done pretty well in some fill in duty for Brett, as opposed to being a dissappointing college player, drafted in the 3rd round and playing the BSP of the Chargers having never seen the field. Rodgers' stock and Whitenhurt's are pretty much nothing alike.

How about a Matt Schaub comparison then? Or maybe Priest Holmes to go to another position?

My bigger point is that because a guy can't beat out a Brett Farve, a Kurt Warner, or even Mike Vick (when he was the flavor of the month), doesn't stand as sound reasoning to say why we shouldn't consider a guy.

There are good players sitting on depth charts all across the league who could star, and maybe even star, in a different scenario. We see it every year on every team. The post I was originally responding too said "he hasn't been able to throw and NFL pass which means he has proven as much as Tebow or Skeletor" Umm no. I would say the circumstances of Whitehurst not playing have been more about who is in front of him, rather then whether or not he has the tools and ability to deserve a chance.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Come on, man. Brady's the exception to the rule. You know it, I know it. I don't using him as evidence of anything does much to help support your argument.

C'mon cheese - look outside the box of the analogy a little bit. Brady is the most EXTREME case but hardly the only one.

Do I really need to stat listing players who were better in the NFL then they were in college? Really do I? Because again that was my bigger point.

Whitehurst played for a crap coach with little around him. Again should his college production be ignored? No. Is college production always a sound indicator of future NFL success? Hell no.

So when you take into account his size, arm, lineage, apparent work ethic and attitude, plus the fact that he has learned under mayeb the greatest QB guru of our generation - maybe we can say the college production doesn't tell the whole story, no?

Again I am not saying anything definite one way or the other. It just seems like a justifiable move to me. You have to take risks on QBOF because the proven ones just don't become available.

This is a worthwile risk IMO.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

That same person with some of the most prolific callege #'s in history has been pretty average/bad and given me reason not to be very excited for him at the next level. Until he proves other wise that's how I feel. I would say my level of enthusiasm for him is a tad more justified than those of you who feel he will be THE MAN personally.

The team and Whiz specifically have been quoted as saying that they want to bring somebody in that will push Matty for the starters job. If this guy is him I wonder just how much confidence Whiz has in Matt internally despite what he says externally.

I was just questioning your logic. We are actually on the same page about this.

To me this chasing Whitehurst and giving up a 3rd round pick to do it is the biggest indictment yet.

 

[lobo]

You can go the stat route. Or you can read the dude's scouting write-ups. Or make a judgment based on when he was drafted; but what it all boils down to is:

"When Whitehurst takes the snap - from under center or in the shotgun, reads the defense, moves around and outside the pocket, decides to pull the trigger and then let's 'er rip - what's he like? How good is he?"

Short answer for most of us: "We don't know." We're just fans who (unless we've been obsessed with tracking backup QB's) get most if not all our information second hand from "what we read or heard somewhere."

What you hope for is that one or more people on the Cardinal coaching staff or in the FO know and trust someone on the Charger's staff (or someone who recently was on the SD staff), a former SD player etc. to give them the honest skinny on Whitehurst.

period!! ya' think if whithurst was sitting behind a guy and ryan leaf (sp) was out there we would here the same stuff on how the team should trade up for leaf because whitehurst never through a pass etc....last time i looked leaf was just about a greeter at a big box store