Update on Whitehurst

[Cheesebeef]

So if you had to guess how much do you think he will get?

i'm thinking 4 mill per.

 

[Krangodnzr]

i'm thinking 4 mill per.

Peanuts.

We're so far below the salary cap right now that we could sign him for 4 mil, 6 mil to Joey Porter, 4 mil to Foote, AND STILL sign Dockett to a massive front loaded extension. And we would probably still be ok!

 

[Zeno]

Can anyone find his preseason snaps? The guy HAS played in the NFL, just not the regular season. I seem to remember him lighting US up a couple of years ago in preseason.

Not exactly inspiring to be honest.

2009 Preseason
VS SEA
15/29 193 yds 1 TD 2 INT

VS AZ
5/9 52 yds

VS ATL
4/8 43 yds

VS SF
10/14 98 yds 1 TD

2008 preseason
VS DAL
5/7 40 yds

VS St L
6/14 67 yds

VS Seattle
DNP

VS SF
15/32 144 yds

2007 preseason
VS SEA
11/22 79 yds 1 INT

VS St L
1/1 21 yds

VS AZ
DNP

VS SF
7/14 76 yds 1 TD

2006 preseason
VS GB
6/12 50 yds

VS CHI
11/19 97 yds 1 INT

VS SEA
3/7 19 yds 1 INT

VS SF
5/9 52 yds 1 TD 2 INTs

So we have 3 preseasons totals of...
104/197 52.8% 4 TDs 7 INTs

Preseason is hard to judge anyone but that doesn't look like numbers of someone we should give up a 3rd round pick for.

Oh and if any of your Charger fan friends wanted him over Rivers at ANY point they have no idea what they are watching.

 

[Stout]

Then I guess I am really confused why you would laugh at my comment so hard that you almost fell out of your chair when you do the very things you mock. Opinion and gut feelings are fine, but I have mine, and it is no sillier than how you arrived at your opinion of Spikes.

As for the compensation I am fine with it because I think this is how Whiz prepares for Leinarts contract mess next year, which is inevitable unless he is so bad no extension is warranted.

And as for the media. You are right many of these guys are former because they are in bad organizations that go through a cleaning, not due to horrible performance. Many just prefer the hours. There are a certain few I trust, Michael Lombardi, Adam Schefter are a couple. And when they all seem to have the same consensus on Whitehurst, there may be something to it.

I laughed because that was what you had to go by and is all you had to go by, so why was I expected to take it as gospel? I don't expect people to take my view on Spikes, as an example, as gospel, but at least he's a kid who has never been in the NFL and who couldn't possibly have a barometer of experience in the NFL.

Look, you like Whitehurst and I don't. I haven't yet read why I should be happy with the idea of giving up a 3rd for a bad college QB who just has good measurables. You have your opinion and I have mine. No biggie.

 

[Garthshort]

Stout, you make a point. However, what is MORE important is what the team thinks.

 

[Cardiac]

I agree, AF...and you've been right on about all of this, the thing is that it's not like the Cardinals are the only team that recognizes the potential in Whitehurst. Obviously, the Seahawks do as well.

What impresses me is that of ALL the options Whiz has considered, this is the player he wants. This makes this deal a great one to me.

I thought Jason Campbell was the right fit...I still do...he comes right in with starting experience three years in a row and I think he's such a good fit I'd give up the #26 pick for him...but Whiz obviously thinks he can keep the #26 and get as good or better a fit. I'm with Whiz 100%. And, quite frankly, I am so happy we have a HC who understands what it takes to win the the NFL and is willing to make moves to give his team the BEST opportunity to win.

Everybody takes the time to bring up "misses" but rarely do we recognize the hits.

I would categorize this as at least a double by Mitch with the chance of moving to a Home Run. The fact that Whis is trying to acquire a QB for a draft pick at minimum indicates the value he places on the position. This was a main point that Mitch kept making.

It could be he doesn't have faith in ML.

It could be he never wants a season to end due to an injury to the QB. ML starts then gets injured and Whitehurst steps in and the Cards keep winning.

It could be insurance to the final crappy contract that Bill Sr. insisted on us using which makes ML contract next year a tough one to renegotiate.

It could be that Whis does want competition at every position and this draft calls of QB's BLOWS. Also the UFA's available BLOW.

So Whitehurst backs up ML this year then it's a double, but if he starts it's a Homer.
If the deal doesn't go through it's still a double because Whis was trying to acquire another QB via trade.

 

[Dayman]

http://twitter.com/michaelombardi/status/10539581269

By the way i hear Arizona in the lead for Charlie Whitehurst right now but that might change thru the evening.

 

[lauraw]

I heard through the grapevine that Whitehurst will go with the 'Hags...

 

[john h]

I think it's been expected that the Cards are going to draft a QB. If that's the case, I'm sure Whitehurst is already way ahead of any rookie that would be brought in. I've seen people have us taking McCoy, Tebow, Skelton, the kid from WVU, Lefevour, and others. Those are likely 3rd/4th round picks. I'd take Whitehurst over any of them.

I do not know that much about Whitehurst. I do know we desperately need a backup or as Coach Whiz said someone to compete with Leinart. That would not be a rookie or the two backups we have now. Whoever we get has got some solid receivers including an all pro so he is likely to be better than wherever he is now.

 

[slinslin]

I heard through the grapevine that Whitehurst will go with the 'Hags...

I am praying for that, I'd rather get a QB like McCoy in the 3rd or Skelton in the 4th than giving up one of our 3rds for Whitehurst.

Or simply sign Derek Andersen and 3rd string QB.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I am praying for that, I'd rather get a QB like McCoy in the 3rd or Skelton in the 4th than giving up one of our 3rds for Whitehurst.

Or simply sign Derek Andersen and 3rd string QB.

Yep, because John Skelton is alot better prospect. He really lit up those Div 1-AA schools at Fordham. Getting ready for a Patriot league game has him better prepared than gameplanning for the Colts.

 

[slinslin]

That's great but at the end of the day he is in the league for 4 years or so and hasn't completed a pass.

Except for practice he has no more NFL experience than a rookie and is also not familiar with the Cards playbook.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

That's great but at the end of the day he is in the league for 4 years or so and hasn't completed a pass.

Except for practice he has no more NFL experience than a rookie and is also not familiar with the Cards playbook.

That, I suggest, is a bigger "except" than you and others are prepared to recognize.

 

[HoodieBets]

That's great but at the end of the day he is in the league for 4 years or so and hasn't completed a pass.

Except for practice he has no more NFL experience than a rookie and is also not familiar with the Cards playbook.

You learn more in 4 years of NFL Practice and training camps then starting 4 years for FORDHAM, your statement is mind blowing, you think he didn't play because he sucks or because hes played behind Phillip friggin Rivers, lets grab a clue here about why he hasn't played before making moronic statements saying he hasnt completed an NFL pass, yeah lets draft McCoy or Skelton who have never been through a NFL training camp or been able to be taught by one of the most brilliant minds of our time when it comes to QB's in Norv Turner..

 

[Zeno]

That, I suggest, is a bigger "except" than you and others are prepared to recognize.

Two things...

1) The third string QB get very little snaps during practice on most NFL teams

2) I doubt the Chargers are releasing practice tapes to the Cardinals and you can't exactly trust what Chargers coaches say about his practice form in an effort to either drive up his price or devalue him to scare teams away.

 

[HoodieBets]

Two things...

1) The third string QB get very little snaps during practice on most NFL teams

2) I doubt the Chargers are releasing practice tapes to the Cardinals and you can't exactly trust what Chargers coaches say about his practice form in an effort to either drive up his price or devalue him to scare teams away.

I take it you never saw a SD Practice, Whitehurst called the plays into rivers on Sunday and got just as many snaps if not more than volek.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I take it you never saw a SD Practice, Whitehurst called the plays into rivers on Sunday and got just as many snaps if not more than volek.

you go to a lot of SD practices?

 

[Zeno]

I take it you never saw a SD Practice, Whitehurst called the plays into rivers on Sunday and got just as many snaps if not more than volek.

Really? You have seen their practices? I wasn't aware NFL teams had them open to the public.

 

[HoodieBets]

you go to a lot of SD practices?

They held open practices throughout august last year when i was there I saw three at the Q so yeah i guess that would make three more than you or zeno.

 

[Gee!]

Im in the no to Whitehurst camp.. Rather draft a guy..

 

[Zeno]

They held open practices throughout august last year when i was there I saw three at the Q so yeah i guess that would make three more than you or zeno.

Thats not regular season practices which is what I was referring to, thats training camp where even the 4th string QB gets reps...heck I've been to training camp and seen Punters & Kickers line up as WRs just to fill out numbers.

Also where does this Norv Turner is a great QB coach stuff come from?

01 Chargers Flutie 15 TDs 18 Ints 56%
02 Dolphins Fiedler 14 TDs 9 Ints 61%
03 Dolphins Fiedler 11 TDs 13 Ints 57%
04 Raiders Collins 21 TDs 20 Ints 56%
05 Raiders Collins 20 TDs 12 Ints 53%
06 49ers Smith 16 TDs 16 Ints 58%

Then he gets one of the best QBs in football in Phillip Rivers, thats like giving the QB Coach credit in Indy or wherever Favre plays. Those are decidedly average QB numbers and he hasn't developed a QB since Aikman. Heck I'd even go so far to say Turner is an average coach overall, his winning % is under .500...he is riding the reputation gained by having Aikman, Smith, Irving, Novacek & one of the best OL in history.

 

[HoodieBets]

Thats not regular season practices which is what I was referring to, thats training camp where even the 4th string QB gets reps...heck I've been to training camp and seen Punters & Kickers line up as WRs just to fill out numbers.

Also where does this Norv Turner is a great QB coach stuff come from?

01 Chargers Flutie 15 TDs 18 Ints 56%
02 Dolphins Fiedler 14 TDs 9 Ints 61%
03 Dolphins Fiedler 11 TDs 13 Ints 57%
04 Raiders Collins 21 TDs 20 Ints 56%
05 Raiders Collins 20 TDs 12 Ints 53%
06 49ers Smith 16 TDs 16 Ints 58%

Then he gets one of the best QBs in football in Phillip Rivers, thats like giving the QB Coach credit in Indy or wherever Favre plays. Those are decidedly average QB numbers and he hasn't developed a QB since Aikman. Heck I'd even go so far to say Turner is an average coach overall, his winning % is under .500...he is riding the reputation gained by having Aikman, Smith, Irving, Novacek & one of the best OL in history.

I never said he was a good head coach, he is a brilliant offensive coach and very good with QB's you cant base everything on stats if you listen to anyone talk about norv turner they will say the same thing...and BTW the last practice i saw last year they were into the preseason so not exactly training camp.

 

[Zeno]

I never said he was a good head coach, he is a brilliant offensive coach and very good with QB's you cant base everything on stats if you listen to anyone talk about norv turner they will say the same thing...and BTW the last practice i saw last year they were into the preseason so not exactly training camp.

Training camp goes in to preseason. Regular season is regular season and as far as I know no NFL team opens their practices up to the public during the regular season...going by what I've been told 3rd string QBs maybe get 10-15 snaps a WEEK in practice during the regular season.

Also I question Turner being a brilliant offensive coach too, he hasn't had a top 10 offense as an OC since 1993--Dallas with Aikman, Smith, Irvin & Novacek...he had 3 total top 10 offenses as a head coach 1996, 1999 & 2009 thats not great stuff by any means.

 

[Stout]

Two things...

1) The third string QB get very little snaps during practice on most NFL teams

2) I doubt the Chargers are releasing practice tapes to the Cardinals and you can't exactly trust what Chargers coaches say about his practice form in an effort to either drive up his price or devalue him to scare teams away.

Conversation, let me introduce you to a friend called logic. Good stuff

 

[Cheesebeef]

They held open practices throughout august last year when i was there I saw three at the Q so yeah i guess that would make three more than you or zeno.

all the QBs usually gets reps in training camp. come on 1616.