Vernon Gholston to be Released

[Mulli]

Are you talking about QBs who were bounced from their first playoff games this offseason?

Sincerely,

Aaron Rogers and Mark Sanchez

Reach.

 

[Stout]

Crappy Big 10 Conference players who were overrated because they played in a glorified Div. II league.

This post coming from a glorified grade school kid. Gee, making things up is fun!

 

[ARodg]

He's an undersized 4-3 DE. Don't bring him in to play OLB please.

 

[ARodg]

Tom Brady, Joe Thomas, Nick Mangold, Jake Long, and Cameron Wake all disagree with the statement that the Big 10 is a DII league.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Right now, other than Ohio State, the Big 10 does stink. Michigan will be back. Penn St. will be good again once they can get rid of Paterno. Wisconsin will always be good at home and in the Big 10 but will struggle out of conference. MSU, Iowa, Illinois, NW will have the occassional good team. I'll have to wait and see on Nebraska.

Just about every conference has two, maybe 3, top heavy teams that could win it all and the rest just kind of fall in place.
Big 10- OSU, Mich(they'll be back)
Pac-12-Usc, maybe Oregon, we'll see what happens when they quit paying players.
SEC-Bama, Fla, LSU
ACC- eh, FSU will likely return to form. Vtech and Miami could go either way. Vtech is like Wisky, good in conference,struggle outside.
Big 12- Okla, Tex
Big east- they stink, maybe TCU will come in and become a dominant force.

 

[Mulli]

NW always good at anything? Times have changed. That and all the restaurants in Evanston still close at 8.

 

[kerouac9]

Tom Brady, Joe Thomas, Nick Mangold, Jake Long, and Cameron Wake all disagree with the statement that the Big 10 is a DII league.

The Big 10 celebrating their first winning bowl season since 2002 in 2010 begs to disagree. As does the Big 10 going 0-5 in January bowl games.

Wisconsin couldn't even get a win over TCU, another DII team who's going to discover that the Triple-A Big East is a lot tougher when you have to play 4-5 decent teams every season instead of 1 or 2.

Hey, Furman fed John Skelton into the League. Troy fed DeMarcus Ware in. Maybe they can join the Big 10.

 

[Southpaw]

Saw an article reporting the Big Ten as the biggest money earner amongst all of the conferences. Maybe that is the "irrationale" for them getting so much hype and status.

 

[kerouac9]

Saw an article reporting the Big Ten as the biggest money earner amongst all of the conferences. Maybe that is the "irrationale" for them getting so much hype and status.

Weren't they the first conference to build their own network? That's part of it. I think the other part is that they have something like two or three of the five largest universities in the coutry. Penn State and Michigan are really good academic institutions, but they turn out some of the most overrated football players who stay in the league for three or four years.

I think that's a nexus of playing in an over-publicized conference (I mean, the "Legends" and "Leaders" divisions? Give me a break) and playing a certain brand of football. You can get some good offensive linemen and occasionally good quarterbacks out of the Big Ten, and sometimes some good defensive backs. But running backs and wide receivers seem to continually disappoint, as well as a lot of defensive linemen. You'd think that defensive linemen who have success against the top tackles in their league would translate to success.

 

[Mulli]

The Big 10 celebrating their first winning bowl season since 2002 in 2010 begs to disagree. As does the Big 10 going 0-5 in January bowl games.

Wisconsin couldn't even get a win over TCU, another DII team who's going to discover that the Triple-A Big East is a lot tougher when you have to play 4-5 decent teams every season instead of 1 or 2.

Hey, Furman fed John Skelton into the League. Troy fed DeMarcus Ware in. Maybe they can join the Big 10.

No D II conference would ever have a winning bowl record twice in 10 years.

 

[SuperSpck]

OT, but doesn't recruiting play a factor?
I'd wager that the Big 10 gets a higher proportional amount of the countries "left-overs" and only Ohio St gets the best of the best of them, where as the rest becomes trickle down voodoo. Wouldn't the fact that they're in January bowl games in the first place be something over nothing?

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Hey, Furman fed John Skelton into the League.

Wasn't that Fordham?

 

[Stout]

The Big 10 celebrating their first winning bowl season since 2002 in 2010 begs to disagree. As does the Big 10 going 0-5 in January bowl games.

Wisconsin couldn't even get a win over TCU, another DII team who's going to discover that the Triple-A Big East is a lot tougher when you have to play 4-5 decent teams every season instead of 1 or 2.

Hey, Furman fed John Skelton into the League. Troy fed DeMarcus Ware in. Maybe they can join the Big 10.

1-That would be Fordham, genius.

2-TCU will crush the Big East, because it currently sucks. It is far worse than the Big-10, but I won't be idiotic enough to call it Div. II or AAA. Why not? Because that's childish, incredibly inaccurate, and would only be said for inflammatory purposes.

So, troll away, K9. The Big-Ten isn't the top conference any more, but Div. II? Hyperbole that bad can make you look stupid, but it certainly won't make you right.

 

[Duckjake]

Right now, other than Ohio State, the Big 10 does stink. Michigan will be back. Penn St. will be good again once they can get rid of Paterno. Wisconsin will always be good at home and in the Big 10 but will struggle out of conference. MSU, Iowa, Illinois, NW will have the occassional good team. I'll have to wait and see on Nebraska.

Just about every conference has two, maybe 3, top heavy teams that could win it all and the rest just kind of fall in place.
Big 10- OSU, Mich(they'll be back)
Pac-12-Usc, maybe Oregon, we'll see what happens when they quit paying players.
SEC-Bama, Fla, LSU
ACC- eh, FSU will likely return to form. Vtech and Miami could go either way. Vtech is like Wisky, good in conference,struggle outside.
Big 12- Okla, Tex
Big east- they stink, maybe TCU will come in and become a dominant force.

Good point. In the SEC Vanderbilt has never won. Arkansas and SoCarolina have zero championships since joining in 1992. Kentucky last won in 1950

Miss. State 1941. Mississippi 1963

That is six of their teams without a single title among them in 47 years.

Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern and Purdue are usually non factors in the Big 10 (12)

In the Big XII (10) Either Texas or Oklahoma has won the South 12 years in a row.

 

[kerouac9]

OT, but doesn't recruiting play a factor?
I'd wager that the Big 10 gets a higher proportional amount of the countries "left-overs" and only Ohio St gets the best of the best of them, where as the rest becomes trickle down voodoo. Wouldn't the fact that they're in January bowl games in the first place be something over nothing?

You think that Michigan and Penn State get the country's "leftovers"? Really? Really? Even recruiting in-region, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio are football hotbeds. They're not Florida/California/Texas, but they grow 'em big and strong there. It's not New York/Connecticut/New Jersey.

Obviously I'm not serious that the Big 10 is a Div II or FCS conference, but they're incredibly overrated as football programs across the board, as their bowl performance over the last decade confirms. I'd wager that one of the reasons that so many bad Big 10 teams make bowl games is because they have great fan bases (way better than Pac 10 or ACC fan bases for football) that will travel almost anywhere in the country to see their teams).

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

As does the Big 10 going 0-5 in January bowl games.

Does January 4th count as a January Bowl game ? I'm not sure, but I seem to remember Ohio State beating Arkansas. I think the score was 31-26 but I could be mistaken. The Arkansas QB, Mallet or something like that, threw a late INT to seal the win. IIRC .

 

[ARodg]

The Big 10 celebrating their first winning bowl season since 2002 in 2010 begs to disagree. As does the Big 10 going 0-5 in January bowl games.

Wisconsin couldn't even get a win over TCU, another DII team who's going to discover that the Triple-A Big East is a lot tougher when you have to play 4-5 decent teams every season instead of 1 or 2.

Hey, Furman fed John Skelton into the League. Troy fed DeMarcus Ware in. Maybe they can join the Big 10.

1st. Ohio St. beat Arkansas

2nd. The fact that half the confrence was playing in a January Bowl says something about the strength of the confrence.

3rd. There aren't that many dominant teams in every confrence. Ohio St., Wisconsin, and Iowa are consistently in good to great bowls. The Pac 10 is worse than the Big 10 and the Big 10 doesn't pay it's players.

4th. The Big 12, and ACC were a joke this year. The Big 10 was the second best confrence in the country. (Assuming that Oregon gets it's wins yanked.)

5th. The Big 10 struggles against the other confrences because it requires a different style of play. I would imagine that the SEC would consistently get worn down by the bigger players, but for one game the speed wins out.

6th. No duh TCU is going to be bad next year. They're losing Dalton, Kerley, Cannon and Kirkpatrick who's name slips my mind at the moment, to the NFL draft. TCU wasn't a team that was berefit of talent. DII teams don't send 4 players into the NFL.

 

[Southpaw]

OT, but doesn't recruiting play a factor?
I'd wager that the Big 10 gets a higher proportional amount of the countries "left-overs" and only Ohio St gets the best of the best of them, where as the rest becomes trickle down voodoo. Wouldn't the fact that they're in January bowl games in the first place be something over nothing?

Which is something that I think smells badly. It seems to be an unending cycle. Big 10 always seems to start the preseason polls with a disproportionate number of teams in the top 20. They begin the season with a fairly weak OOC schedule( Ohio State may be the exception lately ) beat the patsies in their conference, get gifted with lucrative bowls, proceed to get ass whooped in those bowls and then repeat the same sequence the following year, and the next year and the next year...... followed by a bunch of post season awards. But, hey they are the big boys on payday. Gotta hand it to them.

 

[Southpaw]

1st. Ohio St. beat Arkansas

2nd. The fact that half the confrence was playing in a January Bowl says something about the strength of the confrence.

3rd. There aren't that many dominant teams in every confrence. Ohio St., Wisconsin, and Iowa are consistently in good to great bowls. The Pac 10 is worse than the Big 10 and the Big 10 doesn't pay it's players.

4th. The Big 12, and ACC were a joke this year. The Big 10 was the second best team in the country.

5th. The Big 10 struggles against the other confrences because it requires a different style of play. I would imagine that the SEC would consistently get worn down by the bigger players, but for one game the speed wins out.

6th. No duh TCU is going to be bad next year. They're losing Dalton, Kirley, Cannon and another O-Lineman who's name slips my mind at the moment, to the NFL draft. TCU wasn't a team that was berefit of talent. DII teams don't send 4 players into the NFL.

I will say something for your writing style. A whole lot of absolutes and not much wiggle room.

Your point #1. True fact

Your point #2. Says more about bowl games wanting big crowds over field performance.

Your point #3. Can't even imagine what you base those conclusions on and yes the Big 10 pays players, just like every other big conference does. Its called looking the other way when the boosters come calling. Your memory is short if you don't recall what just happened at Ohio State and they aren't alone.

Your point #4. I assume that was an incorrect statement.

Your point #5. I agree with. Big 10 style is different, but that doesn't mean the SEC would get blown away because they play with speed. It might mean that the Big 1o teams would get blown away by speed on a consistent basis.

Point #6 . Gary Patterson has been cranking out pretty good teams for 10 years now, just reupped at TCU, has a 98-28 record at TCU, just joined the Big East and somehow you conclude they will be bad next year.

 

[Duckjake]

Which is something that I think smells badly. It seems to be an unending cycle. Big 10 always seems to start the preseason polls with a disproportionate number of teams in the top 20. They begin the season with a fairly weak OOC schedule( Ohio State may be the exception lately ) beat the patsies in their conference, get gifted with lucrative bowls, proceed to get ass whooped in those bowls and then repeat the same sequence the following year, and the next year and the next year...... followed by a bunch of post season awards. But, hey they are the big boys on payday. Gotta hand it to them.

Bowl games are a ridiculous method of comparing conferences. One, they are played well after the season and Two, they are greatly influenced by the circumstances that sent the teams to that bowl. A team that had higher aspirations will seldom perform well. Especially against a team that is thrilled to get the same bowl invitation.

To me it is all about how many teams in the conference are competitive and in almost every case there are very few teams in each conference with any real hope of actually winning a title. SEC has more competitive teams than the other big boys but even then, as I posted, 6 of their schools have zero titles since the 1960's.

 

[ARodg]

I will say something for your writing style. A whole lot of absolutes and not much wiggle room.

Your point #1. True fact

Your point #2. Says more about bowl games wanting big crowds over field performance.

Your point #3. Can't even imagine what you base those conclusions on and yes the Big 10 pays players, just like every other big conference does. Its called looking the other way when the boosters come calling. Your memory is short if you don't recall what just happened at Ohio State and they aren't alone.

Your point #4. I assume that was an incorrect statement.

Your point #5. I agree with. Big 10 style is different, but that doesn't mean the SEC would get blown away because they play with speed. It might mean that the Big 1o teams would get blown away by speed on a consistent basis.

Point #6 . Gary Patterson has been cranking out pretty good teams for 10 years now, just reupped at TCU, has a 98-28 record at TCU, just joined the Big East and somehow you conclude they will be bad next year.

#4. My Bad I meant confrence and I fixed it. Assuming that Oregon keeps it's wins, combined with Stanford is probably better than Wisconsin tOSU, but it seems pretty par for the course that wins get yanked.

(OT: How hilarious would it be if both teams in the NC had their season's erased?)

#5. That may very well be, but I think the wear on players over the entire season is a lot greater in the Big 10.

#6. Patterson might be the best coach in the country but teams don't have a huge year after losing 4 players to the NFL, one of who is a QB.

 

[SuperSpck]

they grow 'em big and strong there.

Not like they used too. (Death of small farming)

 

[Duckjake]

Not like they used too. (Death of small farming)

But don't they still work on the big farms?

 

[Krangodnzr]

#4. My Bad I meant confrence and I fixed it. Assuming that Oregon keeps it's wins, combined with Stanford is probably better than Wisconsin tOSU, but it seems pretty par for the course that wins get yanked.

(OT: How hilarious would it be if both teams in the NC had their season's erased?)

#5. That may very well be, but I think the wear on players over the entire season is a lot greater in the Big 10.

#6. Patterson might be the best coach in the country but teams don't have a huge year after losing 4 players to the NFL, one of who is a QB.

Dude I mainly watch SEC football, since I'm originally from the south, and I can tell you that the SEC has just as many big strong players as the Big 10, if not more.

The big difference is the speed plain and simple. The Big Ten just has plodding players, while the SEC has many very fast players. On most SEC rosters they have more speed in their WR corps than Big Ten teams have on their entire roster

 

[ARodg]

Dude I mainly watch SEC football, since I'm originally from the south, and I can tell you that the SEC has just as many big strong players as the Big 10, if not more.

The big difference is the speed plain and simple. The Big Ten just has plodding players, while the SEC has many very fast players. On most SEC rosters they have more speed in their WR corps than Big Ten teams have on their entire roster

The SEC's all confrence team had Lee Ziemba as it's biggest O-Lineman and he's been living on reputation for a long ass time.

You will see no argument from me that the SEC is significantly better than the Big 10 in every facet, except for O-Line. The difference in style of play is required because the weather in Alabama and the weather in Michigan are completely different in November.