Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
kerouac9 said:Look at the numbers, Stout, and explain to me what the difference is. Tell me. Longevity? You can't just say "they're different" without identifying what the difference is. If you're so right, articulate that. The completion numbers are the same, the INT numbers are identical, and the TD totals are very similar. I'm not saying that Vick in Year 5 is as good as Elway in Year 15, or that Vick will be Elway in Year 15 if and when Vick's in Year 15. I'm saying that the raw numbers for passing are the same.
Elway's a great quarterback not because of his numbers, but because he was a winner. His teams won. I see similar things about Vick. Elway had two years where his QB rating was over 90. In his first 10 years in the league, Elway had one season where his QB rating was over 80. The reason why he was still the starting QB then? I bet it has something to do with him being a winner.
Kind of like Michael Vick.
Look, you're the one who drew the analogy that since Vick is like Elway, Elway is better than Brees, and so you're right. That's horse hockey, and you know it, and you can't back out of it.
It's simple. Okay, they both played below average for roughly the same amount of time. How, in your warped world, does that make them the same? Lots of QBs play just like Elway did in the beginning, and do NOT go on to greatness. CAN Vick follow in his footsteps? Anything's possible. Will he? I doubt it. You've tried to twist the thread with this crazy rationale of comparing Vick and Elway. Foolish. You're wrong and you can't admit it.
Again, I say to you...how much you want to bet Vick will never sniff Elway's accomplishments?