Vikings-20 Cards-23: The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly

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Vacard your just wrong the cards won the game! Made plays when they needed too on offense and defense it's not always pretty when a team is fighting back like the bikes were after being embarrassed Sunday. Just because it wasn't a blowout were pretenders... Get a clue this is the NFL!

Agreed, dumb take.

I guess the Vikings scored all 23 of our points for us, and they also sacked their own Quarterback at the end.

To outsiders, the Cards are the most or one of the most impressive teams in the NFL. Last 5 games we have beaten Seattle, SF and STL on the road, and the Vikings and Cincy at home. That is impressive no matter what the margin of victory, but all some Cards fans can do is bemoan the fact that we didn't win by 40. Ridiculous
 

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Really? Please go find it every week. I'll wait. Post links, not "oh, you say it every week". Face it, you're a liar and you know it. And if you're referring to last night, I said the defense wasn't showing any heart and I was right. It took an incredibly stupid play call and Dwight Freeney to do what he does to seal a win. Otherwise, the defense played with zero intensity and allowed an awful offense to click on all cylinders. This is a matter of fact. Don't like facts, then I don't know what to tell you.

You're "right" in your assertion that the defense wasn't showing any heart? What qualifies you to say something like that definitively? Dude, it's your opinion, and you need to stop taking what people say on this forum so personally, or go back to the official site.

Go back and watch the game @ Seattle from 2012. That's a team without any heart. This team is anything but heartless if you open your eyes and ears and watch how these guys rally around each other and play balls to the wall for their coaches.


Your opinion is a bit off-based considering that the deficient defensive performance could be attributed to a) exhaustion from playing three games in 10 days and/or b) a piecemeal defensive game plan. Never once did I feel like this team lacked any heart, not even one time this season, in victory or in defeat.
 

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You're "right" in your assertion that the defense wasn't showing any heart? What qualifies you to say something like that definitively? Dude, it's your opinion, and you need to stop taking what people say on this forum so personally, or go back to the official site.

Go back and watch the game @ Seattle from 2012. That's a team without any heart. This team is anything but heartless if you open your eyes and ears and watch how these guys rally around each other and play balls to the wall for their coaches.


Your opinion is a bit off-based considering that the deficient defensive performance could be attributed to a) exhaustion from playing three games in 10 days and/or b) a piecemeal defensive game plan. Never once did I feel like this team lacked any heart, not even one time this season, in victory or in defeat.


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Vacard your just wrong the cards won the game! Made plays when they needed too on offense and defense it's not always pretty when a team is fighting back like the bikes were after being embarrassed Sunday. Just because it wasn't a blowout were pretenders... Get a clue this is the NFL!

They got lucky. Watch a real contender like Seattle blow out the hapless Ravens in Baltimore. Then compare that to Thurs' game.
 

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They got lucky. Watch a real contender like Seattle blow out the hapless Ravens in Baltimore. Then compare that to Thurs' game.

This is such ******** perspective. Transitive thinking going game-by-game is the most asinine thing fans do. "Well, Seattle beat them by 31 in Minnesota; therefore, if AZ doesn't beat them by more than 31 in AZ, they are inferior." Not how sports works, pal.

Using your logic, since we torched Detroit by 20+ in Detroit and Seattle barely beat them on a botched batted call in Seattle, we're significantly better.
 

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They got lucky. Watch a real contender like Seattle blow out the hapless Ravens in Baltimore. Then compare that to Thurs' game.

Are you talking about the real contender we beat a few weeks ago? That Seattle team?
 

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This is such ******** perspective. Transitive thinking going game-by-game is the most asinine thing fans do. "Well, Seattle beat them by 31 in Minnesota; therefore, if AZ doesn't beat them by more than 31 in AZ, they are inferior." Not how sports works, pal.

Using your logic, since we torched Detroit by 20+ in Detroit and Seattle barely beat them on a botched batted call in Seattle, we're significantly better.

Obviously you missed the point of my posts so let me dumb it down to a level that you could comprehend:

Teams that are serious contenders are peaking around this time. They are at all full cylinders for the playoffs. NAMELY Seattle. They have been doing this for the past two years: getting hot for the playoffs. The Cards are NOT peaking during this time, which scares me. They are barely getting by.
With the way they are playing don't be surprise where they end up during the playoffs. Make no mistake, THEY PLAYED SLOPPY AGAINST THE VIKES. NOT THE TIME TO BE DOING THIS.
 

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Obviously you missed the point of my posts so let me dumb it down to a level that you could comprehend:

Teams that are serious contenders are peaking around this time. They are at all full cylinders for the playoffs. NAMELY Seattle. They have been doing this for the past two years: getting hot for the playoffs. The Cards are NOT peaking during this time, which scares me. They are barely getting by.
With the way they are playing don't be surprise where they end up during the playoffs. Make no mistake, THEY PLAYED SLOPPY AGAINST THE VIKES. NOT THE TIME TO BE DOING THIS.

Sucks that our seven-game winning streak is not sufficient enough for us to peak.

Never mind that Arizona is playing the hardest part of its schedule.

Never mind that Seattle is playing the easiest part of its schedule.

Never mind that Arizona played three games in 10 days and has multiple playmakers unavailable due to injury and probably in need of some rest.

Nope, don't consider any of those facts into the equation.

I wonder if the NFL awarded Seattle a bonus win for beating Minnesota by 31. Is that how the league works these days? I know Goodell is a bit on the looney side.

(pssst...I was being facetious. This is not college football. You don't get extra consideration for margin of victory)
 
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The beginning off the season, where most of those stats occurred, is different then the end of the year, where those stats come into more importance. Meaning I would rather have them blow out teams at the end of the year and squeak by them at the beginning then vice versa like we are seeing now. It shows that they are playing their best FOR THE PLAYOFFS instead of folding at the end where we need to play our best.
 

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THE UGLY? THURSDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL! Completely unfair to these guys. Thank GOD for the win and hopefully injury free.

Best post of this thread. Some of you need to pull your panties from your crack and relax. These Thursday games are a beach on the players. There is zero recovery time; I don't understand how most recover in 7 days let alone 4.
 

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The beginning off the season, where most of those stats occurred, is different then the end of the year, where those stats come into more importance. Meaning I would rather have them blow out teams at the end of the year and squeak by them at the beginning then vice versa like we are seeing now. It shows that they are playing their best FOR THE PLAYOFFS instead of folding at the end where we need to play our best.

I understand your basic point but disagree that it is a big an issue as your making and truly dislike your tone and attitude.

2008 Cards got blown out in a couple of games and "were the worst playoff team ever" and yet they got hot at the right time (start of the playoffs) and won three playoff games and .... well we all know the rest.

Point is peaking for the playoff run doesn't have to start today or even in the next 3 weeks. What I love about this team is that while they aren't "peaking" right now they are still winning games. Learning good hard lessons and still stacking wins. Obviously I have more faith in BA and the leaders on this team than you do, that's cool though, they will win you over in the end. :)
 

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I disagree that the Vikings game was a weak showing for us, that we were soft physically or showed little heart on D.

First however, I'll never take a win for granted, any win. I've seen us lose too often. I'm thankful for every win, no matter how it happens. It's difficult to win an NFL game, even against bad teams, and Minnesota isn't a bad team.

We've now won 7 in a row, which isn't easy under any circumstances, but is even more difficult when you look at some of the teams we've played and when we played them. Those 7 wins were VS the Ravens, Browns, Seattle, Cincinnati, San Fran, Rams, and Vikings. To win all 3 divisional games in that stretch is no small feat. To win all of those games is a large feat of awesomeness.

Furthermore, 3 of those 7 games were in prime time, where our record has been abysmal. We won all 3. NFL players are creatures of habit, they love their schedules and routines, yet we played 1 flexed prime time game and another Thursday night game. We beat the 49ers, Rams, and Vikings in an 11 day span.

That isn't rolling over or being mentally weak or giving a lack of effort. That is mental strength, mental toughness, when you're playing 3 or 4 physical teams in a row with less preparation, in prime time games, 1 of them flexed, another on a Thursday, and still coming out with the wins in every single game. That's what championship teams are made of. Their tanks were running on empty and they still had enough fortitude to coast with their remaining gas into the nearest rest stop without losing a single game. That's how you win. It doesn't just happen, it isn't easy.

I think this is a magical year for our Cards and I think we have a special team. The extra time off until our next game is going to recharge this team. They dug down deep during that really tough stretch and found they could compete when they were totally spent. The next time they have to dig deep like that, in the playoffs, they know they can do it and they know they have more to give. This team has learned how to blow out teams when possible but also how to grind out the tough games.

This team is full of grinders. Yes, we're less talented at LB (and D-line) in a bad way, but these guys grind and never stop believing in their teammates and coaches. They know what it takes to win any type of game. That doesn't just happen, you have to learn, and we have a coach in BA who has made it possible to learn these lessons while winning games.

I don't buy that the D laid down or had no heart, I find it offensive. They gave up 20 points, it's not a crime. Frankly, I was more disappointed in the offense--if they convert some of those TD's (DJ's drop, not being able to punch it in near the goal line), our defense can play a lot differently and their offense has to start chucking it. The offense just never put it out of reach like that. It happens. No game is perfect, but great teams win games they play like crap in. We did that.

I really have very few concerns going forward. Doesn't mean we're going to win it all, any team can lose any day of the week, but as far as our weaknesses, we've been harping on the same exact weaknesses all year, since training camp frankly. It's nothing new, it's not like some new hole got exposed on our team, it's the same things we've been talking about. But we're 11-2 folks.

11 and 2!!!!!
 

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When AP gets 20+ touches, he usually gets 100+ yards. When he gets 100 yards, Vikes usually win. Good job by the defense shutting him down despite the Vikings' insistence on pounding the ball all night.


Yep, obviously the game plan was to shut down AP and make Teddy beat us.

And he probably would have got away with it, If it wasn't for that meddling Freeney. :D
 

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I understand your basic point but disagree that it is a big an issue as your making and truly dislike your tone and attitude.

Stop right there. First of all, let me make something clear, I really DO NOT GIVE A HOOT if YOU don't like my tone and "attitude." There was NOTHING in my posts that has PERSONALLY disrespected ANYONE on this board FIRST.

Second not everyone is a HOMER, and last time I have checked this is a message board and people DO have a difference of OPINION when voicing them in this messageboard. If YOU don't like my "attitude" concerning my concern for this team, then go run to the mods, or put me on ignore. SIMPLE.
 
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I don't disagree with you however my point is that there was no way that their horrid offense should have made such gains. We got 3 turnovers which helps but they moved the ball far to easily. Can't do that. We got GB and Seattle to finish out the season not to mention a Jekyll & Hyde Eagles team to contend with next week(will we get the team that just beat New England or the team that gave up 5 TD's to the Bucs). I just don't want to get to the playoffs and end up getting rolled by a Carolina or Seattle. I really want this team to win it all and there are times they really make me pull what little hair I have left out.
 

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Stop right there. First of all, let me make something clear, I really DO NOT GIVE A HOOT if YOU don't like my tone and "attitude." There was NOTHING in my posts that has PERSONALLY disrespected ANYONE on this board FIRST.

Second not everyone is a HOMER, and last time I have checked this is a message board and people DO have a difference of OPINION when voicing them in this messageboard. If YOU don't like my "attitude" concerning my concern for this team, then go run to the mods, or put me on ignore. SIMPLE.

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I don't disagree with you however my point is that there was no way that their horrid offense should have made such gains. We got 3 turnovers which helps but they moved the ball far to easily. Can't do that. We got GB and Seattle to finish out the season not to mention a Jekyll & Hyde Eagles team to contend with next week(will we get the team that just beat New England or the team that gave up 5 TD's to the Bucs). I just don't want to get to the playoffs and end up getting rolled by a Carolina or Seattle. I really want this team to win it all and there are times they really make me pull what little hair I have left out.

That was our 3rd game in 11 days. Against physical teams. And part of the reason I showed our 7-0 record is because, regardless of some of the lesser teams in there, like the Browns and Ravens and Rams, that they are tough, physical teams, regardless. We've played 7 of them, 3 in 11 days, 3 in prime time, 1 while being flexed, and another in a Thursday night game. We won them all.

You're worried about breakdowns and continuations of issues, but we've had the same issues all year and we're winning. I'd be more worried if there was some new issue, some new discovery or hole in our defense, exposing us. But there isn't, teams are successful where most of us would expect them to be. Yet we're winning. I'll take it. Like Bill Parcels said, you are what your record is, and at this point in the season that's never more true, and we're 11-2, with the #1 ranked offense, one of the best QB's in football, and a top 5 ranked defense.

(edit: I really have to ask what people want. In the regular season this is as good as it gets, but I don't see celebration. Ridiculous)
 
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This game was pretty bad. 60/40 Cards if not 50/50.

Not even close from where i sat. Lots of Vikings fans in the lower deck on the visitor's sideline, but overall, there were maybe 20-25% Vikings fans (which is still a lot!).

I was in the Ring of Honor level on the visitor's side, and this picture (unfortunately kinda blurry) shows almost nothing but red on the home side.

Cards fans were later to arrive than Vikings fans, most likely getting to the game after work, while the visitors came from their hotels hours early. This picture was taken at kickoff so there were still some empty seats, but they filled with even more fans wearing red.

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Not even close from where i sat. Lots of Vikings fans in the lower deck on the visitor's sideline, but overall, there were maybe 20-25% Vikings fans (which is still a lot!).

I was in the Ring of Honor level on the visitor's side, and this picture (unfortunately kinda blurry) shows almost nothing but red on the home side.

Cards fans were later to arrive than Vikings fans, most likely getting to the game after work, while the visitors came from their hotels hours early. This picture was taken at kickoff so there were still some empty seats, but they filled with even more fans wearing red.

...dave

It's always vastly overstated how many opposing teams fans were there. You could hear the Vikings fans on TV, but the Cards fans were much louder and you could tell it was nowhere near 50/50.

It's like how Seahawks fans and their moronic chest thumping radio hosts claim that it's "80%" Seahawk fans when they come here and "take our stadium over."
 

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I'm not familiar with this guy. Is he always like this?

Yeah I dont get why people have to walk in guns blazing.


Very cool that you are going to the game! Good luck, if we lose I am holding you personally responsible just FYI. :D
 
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Yeah I dont get why people have to walk in guns blazing.


Very cool that you are going to the game! Good luck, if we lose I am holding you personally responsible just FYI. :D

I think I have a pretty decent record seeing the Cards live:

1978: Cards 16 Eagles 10
1982: Cards 23 Eagles 20
1985: Cards 7 Eagles 30
1986: Cards 10 Eagles 10(Worst game I've ever seen live)
1987: Bucs 28 Cards 31(Best game I've ever seen live)
1987: Cards 31 Eagles 19
1988: Cards 21 Eagles 31
1990: Cards 23 Eagles 21
1998: Chargers 13 Cards 16
2008: Cards 35 Jets 56

6-3-1 Not too shabby.
 
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