Vroman is supposed to be a Dennis Rodman with offense!

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Just read this in a AZ REPUBLIC article. If we do end up with a 10 board a night guy from this guy, even if he's NOT scoring, this WILL be a STEAL for us. I could see him in small lineups at center. They say he could back up Amare. This pick intrigues me more now than it did when I read them comparing him to Jake Vokshul! :D
 

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yeah, apprently the guy has a real mean streak.

The suns need another guy who doesnt take sh*t from anyone.

I'll cross my fingers and hope that he's atleast a halfway decent player.
 

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Vroman or Voskuhl

Vroman makes the possibility of Voskuhl being added to trade talks more probable.
 

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/draft/2004-06-23-vroman_x.htm

At 6-10, 220 pounds, he isn't the biggest or strongest center available in the NBA draft, nor is he the quickest. Knowing that, he doesn't try to overpower opponents or dazzle them with cute moves.

The one thing Vroman knows he can do is play hard consistently, so that's what he does. Though that might not be enough to get him a spot in the first round of the NBA draft Thursday night in New York, it should be enough for him to have a place in the league.

"He brings it," Indiana Pacers director of player personnel Mel Daniels says. "He knows when you don't have the talent and athleticism that the others have, you have to do other things. He will bust his head getting to where he needs to be — rebounding, defending, scoring, just plain hurting you.

"He understands what it takes. Whoever the opposing five (center) is, he'll make him wish he played another position until he runs up against the big fellow out West (Shaquille O'Neal). But as far as the rest of them, he can be effective because he has the size and tenacity."

Recent drafts have been plagued by a scarcity of classic centers, pivot men who play with their backs to the basket.

That trend is continuing this year. Seven-footers Pavel Podkolzine of Italy, David Harrison of Colorado, Peter John Ramos of Puerto Rico and Robert Swift of Bakersfield (Calif.) High are the only centers projected as first-round picks.

"It doesn't matter to me where I am in the draft," says Vroman, the 2004 Big 12 rebounding champion his senior season at Iowa State with 9.6 a game. "I just want to make a team, and then I'll worry about my second contract.

"I'm confident that during the summer I can make a team (if he's not drafted)."

Even if Vroman isn't a first-round pick, personnel executives came away from the pre-draft camp in Chicago saying that he's a good bet to be on somebody's roster next season because of his aggressiveness and work ethic.

He grabbed everyone's attention when he scored 17 points in the first game and got to the free throw line 17 times, making 11. He also had seven rebounds.

"Seventeen free throws says 'I'm going to the basket,' " Daniels says. " 'If you're in the way, you're going to have to foul me and I'm going to score or you're going to foul me period, and I'm going to run over you.' A guy like him, it doesn't matter where he's drafted. He's going to be in the league."

Vroman averaged 14.3 points and got to the free throw line 30 times in three games during the pre-draft camp. He averaged six rebounds. He also showed that he has enough quickness to defend opponents on the perimeter.

"He's intriguing," Seattle SuperSonics President/CEO Wally Walker says. "He plays hard. He has perimeter skills and a low-post toughness."

Vroman considers himself better suited for power forward, but he says he's willing to play wherever his team asks.

"I can be effective," he says. "I'd be a different type of center. If I have a big guy on me, I love stepping out and facing up. I'd be more effective as an offensive center than a defensive center.

"If I'm guarding a center, I like to front him and hope for backside help. With zone guidelines in the NBA, you can get away with being a smaller center. You have people like (Minnesota's Mark) Madsen guarding Shaq. It's based on effort."
 

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Well, it certainly looks like he will be fun to watch. Crazy hair is OK, but please, no pig-tails--that is hard to watch.
 

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hear me and hear me well. the sausage king will not be dennis rodman. this guy is nothing to get excited about. he's camp fodder. we just have to hope with his "enthusiasm" he doesn't injure one of our more important players.
 
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Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
hear me and hear me well. the sausage king will not be dennis rodman. this guy is nothing to get excited about. he's camp fodder. we just have to hope with his "enthusiasm" he doesn't injure one of our more important players.
Hey, we have so many unemotional soft players on this team. We NEED bangers on this team. Look at the way the team first responded to having Jahidi on the team. I will take a "Scott Pollard" type player for us. Right now NOONE in the league hesitates to take it across the middle of the lane on us. Not saying we have to play dirty, but noone respects us on defense. That was blatantly apparent last year! I'd give this kid a chance. :shrug:
 

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Yuma, the AZ Republic has an incestuous relationship with Jerry Colangelo since they are his co-owners in the baseball team.

When Jerry passes gas, the Republic sports writers filter out the stench and turn methane into oxygen.

The East Valley Tribune reports much more honestly on all the valley teams. If you have a choice of papers, dump the repulsive.
 

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Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
hear me and hear me well. the sausage king will not be dennis rodman. this guy is nothing to get excited about. he's camp fodder. we just have to hope with his "enthusiasm" he doesn't injure one of our more important players.


ouchie, if this were any other team that drafted him, i couldnt care lets. but the suns have a history of finding gems in the second round. horny, ced, and dumas. so maybe just maybe they have found something in this guy.
 

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ouchie, if this were any other team that drafted him, i couldnt care lets. but the suns have a history of finding gems in the second round. horny, ced, and dumas. so maybe just maybe they have found something in this guy.

Good point. I really hope this guy does have an upside.
 

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Good point. I really hope this guy does have an upside.

I'm not sure how much upside he needs to have. He's a role player. His job is to be the Bo Outlaw/Donnell Harvey energy guy when the Suns need to shake things up. He's bigger and potentially a better rebounder. If he can hit a jump shot, it is a heck of lot more than Outlaw and Harvey could do.
 

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Skkorpion said:
When Jerry passes gas, the Republic sports writers filter out the stench and turn methane into oxygen.

If you have a subscription will they do that for you as well? :)

Vroman sounds like a decent prospect. My guess is that he will do very well in the summer league games, but I'll wait at least until then to predict whether he will make any impact at all on the Phoenix Suns next season.

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I'm not sure how much upside he needs to have. He's a role player. His job is to be the Bo Outlaw/Donnell Harvey energy guy when the Suns need to shake things up. He's bigger and potentially a better rebounder. If he can hit a jump shot, it is a heck of lot more than Outlaw and Harvey could do.
And aside from that, he's our energy guy this season, CHEAP! :D Even if he doesn't make jumpers for us, if he is a rebound hound for us, he IS worth the pick. I'm tired of seeing teams shot and rebound two to three times on a trip against us! We need a guy like that, and CHEAP is SWEET! :p
 

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The guy you either hate or love

I follow Big 12 basketball quite a bit and Vroman is the guy you love to have on your team and you hate him if he's on the other team. If you don't box him out every play he will embarrass you. He keeps a lot of balls alive because he just never quits on the boards. He's also the guy who will take the charge, aggravate opposing players and generally piss off the other teams fans. He kind of reminds me of AC Green with a better offense. He'll pull on players shorts, step on thier foot and if you look the other way or double team another player he'll kill you because he can hit the short jumper and he's not afraid to take it to the hoop and go up strong. He just really works hard and does a lot of the little things other players aren't willing to do or won't do. I also think he's unfairly being tagged as not having any athletic talent and thats just not true. I'm not saying he's going to be an all-star but he runs the floor well and moves well for a 6'10" guy.
 
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Joe Mama said:
If you have a subscription will they do that for you as well? :)

Vroman sounds like a decent prospect. My guess is that he will do very well in the summer league games, but I'll wait at least until then to predict whether he will make any impact at all on the Phoenix Suns next season.

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Way to go out on a limb, Joe! Why not wait until his first season with the Suns is over to decide? Or maybe AFTER his ten year career with the Suns! :biglaugh:
 

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In the clips I saw I thought he showed quite a bit of athletic ability for a big, white guy. Granted it was only a handful of clips, but his athleticism reminded me of Jake Voskuhl's.

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I follow Big 12 basketball quite a bit and Vroman is the guy you love to have on your team and you hate him if he's on the other team. If you don't box him out every play he will embarrass you. He keeps a lot of balls alive because he just never quits on the boards. He's also the guy who will take the charge, aggravate opposing players and generally piss off the other teams fans. He kind of reminds me of AC Green with a better offense. He'll pull on players shorts, step on thier foot and if you look the other way or double team another player he'll kill you because he can hit the short jumper and he's not afraid to take it to the hoop and go up strong. He just really works hard and does a lot of the little things other players aren't willing to do or won't do. I also think he's unfairly being tagged as not having any athletic talent and thats just not true. I'm not saying he's going to be an all-star but he runs the floor well and moves well for a 6'10" guy.
If he can do that for the Suns next season, he's our starting center, barring a move of Amare to the center spot. What you described is all we want from Jake Vokshul. If he can take his game to the next level, and guard his guy, I would be ecstatic with that at the Suns center position next year! ;)
 

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perivolaki said:
I follow Big 12 basketball quite a bit and Vroman is the guy you love to have on your team and you hate him if he's on the other team. If you don't box him out every play he will embarrass you. He keeps a lot of balls alive because he just never quits on the boards. He's also the guy who will take the charge, aggravate opposing players and generally piss off the other teams fans. He kind of reminds me of AC Green with a better offense. He'll pull on players shorts, step on thier foot and if you look the other way or double team another player he'll kill you because he can hit the short jumper and he's not afraid to take it to the hoop and go up strong. He just really works hard and does a lot of the little things other players aren't willing to do or won't do. I also think he's unfairly being tagged as not having any athletic talent and thats just not true. I'm not saying he's going to be an all-star but he runs the floor well and moves well for a 6'10" guy.

That kind of effort can be infectious. If some of that rubs off on our other players, it is well worth the pick. Detroit won it all this year, with that kind of play.
 

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He sounds a lot like Eduardo Najera. Eduardo has unimpressive stats, but he is a complete pest when he's on the floor.
 
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Joe Mama said:
In the clips I saw I thought he showed quite a bit of athletic ability for a big, white guy. Granted it was only a handful of clips, but his athleticism reminded me of Jake Voskuhl's.

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Kiss of death! Jake showed a lot of athleticism going to the bench after quick fouls each quarter! :D Jake HAS to move his feet better and block out better this year. It's like Jake worked on dunking all last season and took a step back on defense and rebounding. I hope he gives us more minutes this year! :mad:
 

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Kiss of death! Jake showed a lot of athleticism going to the bench after quick fouls each quarter! :D Jake HAS to move his feet better and block out better this year. It's like Jake worked on dunking all last season and took a step back on defense and rebounding. I hope he gives us more minutes this year! :mad:

Jake does seem to draw fouls like velcro. :rolleyes:

Jake is what he is, a backup center who plays hard and has some ability. I think if he worked in the off season on getting stronger and quicker, he would be more productive. But even if he doesn't, Jake is better than a great many backup centers and may get better as he gets older and maybe a few more calls.

Jake has improved in most areas of his game, its just that he is not going to be good enough to be a starting center on a winning team.
 

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Although I like his game he will have problems guarding good offensive centers. He just isn't big enough or strong enough to go against the better centers. On the other hand he would create problems for some of those guys when they're guarding him. He's very active and runs the floor well and he can hit the open jumper.

I think the Suns could really be fun to watch with Vroman, Stoudemire and Marion running the floor at the same time. The Suns would lack the size, but they would be athletic and would rebound well. They just give up a little too much size on the defensive end.
 

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