Vroman is supposed to be a Dennis Rodman with offense!

[sunsfn]

Speaking of Scott Pollard, he is probably available from the Pacers.

I am trying to figure out what happened to him?
He went from backup and sometimes starting for Sac., to not playing for many games in a row for the Pacers. Give them something for him and lets see if he can still play. He was a bruiser for sac.

 

[Joe Mama]

The #1 thing Jake Voskuhl needs to work on is his shooting from 10-15 feet. He just needs to be able to hit that shot when he is wide open. His shot looks good, but it did not go in the basket very consistently. After that he needs to work on his defensive footwork. By the end of last season I was incredibly tired of his "hands straight up in the air" style of defense.

Joe Mama

 

[Bada0Bing]

By the end of last season I was incredibly tired of his "hands straight up in the air" style of defense.

Joe Mama

Funny, this is what we teach our team of 6 year olds. We joke all the time about how Jake and the old Jake play "hands up defense".

 

[George O'Brien]

Speaking of Scott Pollard, he is probably available from the Pacers.

I am trying to figure out what happened to him?
He went from backup and sometimes starting for Sac., to not playing for many games in a row for the Pacers. Give them something for him and lets see if he can still play. He was a bruiser for sac.

I'm sure the Pacers would give him up for a bag of corn chips (half empty). He has two more years on his contract at $5.8 and 6.4 million. Yeech.

 

[sunsfn]

I'm sure the Pacers would give him up for a bag of corn chips (half empty). He has two more years on his contract at $5.8 and 6.4 million. Yeech.

I guess I am going to have to get the salaries before I talk about these players. He is not worth that much for the way he played last year, but was when he was with sac.

 

[devilalum]

This talk about Vroman reminds me of the blather I used to read on this board about Alton Ford.

 

[zett]

This talk about Vroman reminds me of the blather I used to read on this board about Alton Ford.

Sounds more like the oppisite of Ford! Ford was supose to be laid back and had some talent and a big NBA body.

 

[Joe Mama]

This talk about Vroman reminds me of the blather I used to read on this board about Alton Ford.

I was thinking the same thing earlier, but I didn't want to say it. Does anybody have measurements for the year Alton Ford was drafted? I would love to see what his wingspan than standing reach were. Most NBA players have a reasonably long arms. Ford did not. Still, I thought he would be at least a bench player in the NBA.

Joe Mama

 

[devilalum]

Sounds more like the oppisite of Ford! Ford was supose to be laid back and had some talent and a big NBA body.

Not a direct comparison, just in the way that he was a second round pick and everybody was ready to hand him the keys.

Vroman might turn out to be a very good pro. Its also possible that he never makes it off the injured list.

 

[Dan H]

Pollard was injured most of the year. He seems to be wearing down.

 

[George O'Brien]

Ford was/is simply too passive to be effective.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Hey, we have so many unemotional soft players on this team. We NEED bangers on this team. Look at the way the team first responded to having Jahidi on the team. I will take a "Scott Pollard" type player for us. Right now NOONE in the league hesitates to take it across the middle of the lane on us. Not saying we have to play dirty, but noone respects us on defense. That was blatantly apparent last year! I'd give this kid a chance.

i don't disagree with your sentiments, i just don't have one iota of faith in the sausage king being anything more than a 6'10 warm body.

also, you're not giving pollard enough credit, on a good passing team he is an addition. i don't think the pacers knew how to use him.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm not sure how much upside he needs to have. He's a role player. His job is to be the Bo Outlaw/Donnell Harvey energy guy when the Suns need to shake things up. He's bigger and potentially a better rebounder. If he can hit a jump shot, it is a heck of lot more than Outlaw and Harvey could do.

both outlaw and harvey were considered more talented coming out of college. and i don't see him being a potentially better rebounder than either of them.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not a direct comparison, just in the way that he was a second round pick and everybody was ready to hand him the keys.

Vroman might turn out to be a very good pro. Its also possible that he never makes it off the injured list.

i was thinkin the same thing too. and this sums up my thoughts exactly, but i'll put the never makes it off the injured list at 87%.

 

[binkar]

both outlaw and harvey were considered more talented coming out of college. and i don't see him being a potentially better rebounder than either of them.

Outlaw more talented? He was never considered more talented he was not even drafted I dont think.

 

[Errntknght]

Bo Outlaw was definitely drafted... by the Clippers. I think he was a first round pick. He was touted as being athletic and a strong defender.

 

[Errntknght]

Vroman sounds most like Madsen plus somewhat of a jumper... a good type of guy to have coming off the bench. I'd rather have Najera since we know he can do it in the NBA but we'll see what this fellow can do. I think he's bigger than Harvey, who was just a little too short and slight to be a factor on the boards - and he did get carried away with his offense at times. Hopefully, Vroman learns to shoot FTs... I think I read he shot them at around 50% in college - that hurts.

 

[George O'Brien]

I'm not sure what the story was with Harvey, but he got into trouble with the team in Orlando and his minutes dropped substantially under D'Antoni. I have to think there are some off the court issues that are a problem with Harvey, but I have no clue what they are.

BTW, neither Outlaw nor Harvey were exceptional rebounders on a per minute basis. Last year Bo had 4.6 rpg in 23 minutes, which is less than Voskuhl had this year in 24.3 minutes - 5.2 rpg.

 

[Dan H]

Bo Outlaw was definitely drafted... by the Clippers. I think he was a first round pick. He was touted as being athletic and a strong defender.

Wrong.

Known as a tough rebounder and defender, Outlaw was undrafted out of University of Houston in 1993 and then played in Spain and in the CBA before embarking on an NBA career midway through the 1993-94 season with the Los Angeles Clippers. He was with the Clippers for four seasons before signing with Orlando as a free agent prior to the 1997-98 season.

 

[samtheman]

"... Vroman cut and tone down his hair, which had been alternately yellow, blue, maroon and black ..."
http://www.nba.com/suns/news/azcentral_040626.html

Sounds like rodman

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wrong.

Known as a tough rebounder and defender, Outlaw was undrafted out of University of Houston in 1993 and then played in Spain and in the CBA before embarking on an NBA career midway through the 1993-94 season with the Los Angeles Clippers. He was with the Clippers for four seasons before signing with Orlando as a free agent prior to the 1997-98 season.

while true that he was undrafted, he was a first team all-conference player (don't remember if that was in the old swc before breakup). i also think he may have been player of the year in the same year as terrance rencher, bj tyler, etc. at texas. he was considered more talented that vroman would have been back then.

 

[Lars the Red]

I said it before, if you haven't seen him play, your making a mistake popping off with all the negative comments. He's not Madsen or Edwardo, he's taller and is more rangy. His offense comes from hustle and surprisingly good footwork and moves. He is like Edwardo in the sense the he beats on you the entire time and tries to get in peoples heads. He's not going to be the go to guy at the end of the game and he's not the one that your going to run your offense through, but he's not going to be a liability once he learns how to use his talents in the system.

I will take guys like this any day, knowing that he can help get the break started, help keep balls alive, make teams play him with some honesty, and know we are getting our moneys worth out of him every night. Ouchie, your way wrong on this guy, he knows how to play the game and has enough athletic skills to contribute this year.

 

[Chaplin]

If Vroman can give us anything resembling Voskuhl's game, then he is a good 2nd round pick and a success, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Goldfield]

I said it before, if you haven't seen him play, your making a mistake popping off with all the negative comments. He's not Madsen or Edwardo, he's taller and is more rangy. His offense comes from hustle and surprisingly good footwork and moves. He is like Edwardo in the sense the he beats on you the entire time and tries to get in peoples heads. He's not going to be the go to guy at the end of the game and he's not the one that your going to run your offense through, but he's not going to be a liability once he learns how to use his talents in the system.

I will take guys like this any day, knowing that he can help get the break started, help keep balls alive, make teams play him with some honesty, and know we are getting our moneys worth out of him every night. Ouchie, your way wrong on this guy, he knows how to play the game and has enough athletic skills to contribute this year.

He sounds like EXACTLY what we need comming off the bench...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I said it before, if you haven't seen him play, your making a mistake popping off with all the negative comments. He's not Madsen or Edwardo, he's taller and is more rangy. His offense comes from hustle and surprisingly good footwork and moves. He is like Edwardo in the sense the he beats on you the entire time and tries to get in peoples heads. He's not going to be the go to guy at the end of the game and he's not the one that your going to run your offense through, but he's not going to be a liability once he learns how to use his talents in the system.

I will take guys like this any day, knowing that he can help get the break started, help keep balls alive, make teams play him with some honesty, and know we are getting our moneys worth out of him every night. Ouchie, your way wrong on this guy, he knows how to play the game and has enough athletic skills to contribute this year.

if i'm wrong i'll happily eat crow. just don't expect anything outta a second selection.