Walter football has Murray listed as a QB/WR

[Crimson Warrior]

I was mentioning arm length, in response to your post. An extra 2 inches of arm length can be a big deal, when needing to dump a pass off over the LOS or over a blitzing LB on a screen pass. Not always going to have clean passing lanes in the NFL...and some plays, like screens, don't allow for lanes. Has zero to do with height.

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RON IN OC, your descent and objections have been noted, and your passion is admirable, but it's all over sir. Nothing you type in between now and 04/25 is going to change the inevitable outcome.

Murray is going to be the pick. He's going to be the starting quarterback for your beloved Arizona Cardinals.

How about you just hop aboard the Kyler Murray choo choo train man? It's fun here. We have cookies!

 

[BW52]

RON IN OC, your descent and objections have been noted, and your passion is admirable, but it's all over sir. Nothing you type in between now and 04/25 is going to change the inevitable outcome.

Murray is going to be the pick. He's going to be the starting quarterback for your beloved Arizona Cardinals.

How about you just hop aboard the Kyler Murray choo choo train man? It's fun here. We have cookies! [/Quote}



I will never go to the dark side

 

[Crimson Warrior]

You climb aboard too big daddy!

 

[BW52]

You climb aboard too big daddy!

Sorry Bro….not happening... if Cards draft Murray I will
If he ends up a Card I will root for him but I sure will be disappointed.

 

[Krangodnzr]

One of the things that changed my mind on Murray is this:

Ever draft or two there is an explosive player who has some warts that scares of teams from drafting them. When that player hits, everybody always goes back, looks at the tape and they wonder how they missed on the guy.

From this draft I think Murray is the guy. He's so explosive. He's been raised for this moment from a small child. He might be quiet and humble, but he is super competitive from all accounts.

He's a gamble, but few teams become great without gambling. The Cardinals have already gambled on a offensive genius from the college ranks who had a losing record. Double down on that bet and take a guy who will strike fear into defenses.

What I envision Murray doing is opening up the entire offense. What I mean is that he has the ability to improve not only the passing game, but the run game too.

Imagine this play: Kirk comes on a jet sweep from the weakside. Murray fakes the handoff and runs to the weak side. The defense is confused all stops for a split second and Murray throws a middle screen to DJ who gets a 60 yard gain.

If Josh Rosen AND Murray hit their max potential, which player would scare a team more???

 

[Crimson Warrior]

One of the things that changed my mind on Murray is this:

Ever draft or two there is an explosive player who has some warts that scares of teams from drafting them. When that player hits, everybody always goes back, looks at the tape and they wonder how they missed on the guy.

From this draft I think Murray is the guy. He's so explosive. He's been raised for this moment from a small child. He might be quiet and humble, but he is super competitive from all accounts.

He's a gamble, but few teams become great without gambling. The Cardinals have already gambled on a offensive genius from the college ranks who had a losing record. Double down on that bet and take a guy who will strike fear into defenses.

What I envision Murray doing is opening up the entire offense. What I mean is that he has the ability to improve not only the passing game, but the run game too.

Imagine this play: Kirk comes on a jet sweep from the weakside. Murray fakes the handoff and runs to the weak side. The defense is confused all stops for a split second and Murray throws a middle screen to DJ who gets a 60 yard gain.

If Josh Rosen AND Murray hit their max potential, which player would scare a team more???

Excellent post, especially the bolded part. Really agree with that idea.

Murray is a weapon of mass destruction, and it's going to be kick @ss to watch him play for us every Sunday.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I look back through the last few decades and the Cardinals haven't had many players to be excited about. Murray can change that narrative.

I dont think initially that Murray is going to be a great passer. I think he's going to be a good passer who kills teams with his long runs.

From day one, teams are going to have to scheme to stop his runs or they will pay big time.

 

[Solar7]

If he works out..... we will all be happy. If not, we will all be said. In the end, someone will be shouting "I TOLD YOU SO!!!"

Or he can turn out to be Michael Vick 2.0 - a polarizing player that tantalizes many with occasional brilliance, but never accomplishes our actual goals.

I think you are missing the point. Height is overrated.

Measurables don't matter! Football is just Madden! Murray has a speed rating of 96 because of reasons! Come on, even the biggest Murray fans have to admit that measurables exist for a reason.

Ever draft or two there is an explosive player who has some warts that scares of teams from drafting them. When that player hits, everybody always goes back, looks at the tape and they wonder how they missed on the guy.

Teams also consistently draft players who are dynamic but undersized, to watch them get outclassed. Heisman winners alone, the supposed "best players in college football," what have Derrick Henry, Mariota, Winston, Manziel, RG3, Ingram, Bradford, Troy Smith, Reggie Bush, and Matt Leinart done? I'm not even going to keep going, but no one besides Cam Newton has elevated his team.

From this draft I think Murray is the guy. He's so explosive. He's been raised for this moment from a small child. He might be quiet and humble, but he is super competitive from all accounts.

Man, "raised for this moment" only makes me think of guys like Marinovich. And where you see "quiet and humble," I see "unprepared."

He's a gamble, but few teams become great without gambling. The Cardinals have already gambled on a offensive genius from the college ranks who had a losing record. Double down on that bet and take a guy who will strike fear into defenses.

I think you and I wouldn't agree on gambles leading to Super Bowl teams in the past 20 years, but sure, there's some risks.

Imagine this play: Kirk comes on a jet sweep from the weakside. Murray fakes the handoff and runs to the weak side. The defense is confused all stops for a split second and Murray throws a middle screen to DJ who gets a 60 yard gain.

And imagine this play: Kirk comes on a jet sweep from the weakside. Murray fakes the handoff and... also runs to to the weak side. This play takes five full seconds to develop, and Marcus Gilbert, DJ Humphries, and Korey Cunningham are all injured, so the guy we signed from the Lions to start on Friday doesn't know the play is designed for them to break contain. Murray gets crushed by either Nick Bosa or Dee Ford, and Brett Hundley is now the starting QB.

Instead of maybe just like, an accurate pass to gain the 5 yards needed for the first down.

If Josh Rosen AND Murray hit their max potential, which player would scare a team more???

Josh Rosen's max potential is Aaron Rodgers, a guy who places the ball in brilliant areas for his receivers to make plays. Rodgers has been fundamentally the scariest, most clutch guy in the game for a while, and I'd pick him over Russel Wilson, who most Murray supporters seem to think he's already equal or better than... so, Rosen.

Krang, your opinions are normally sharp, I don't want you to think I'm killing ya here. At the end of the day I see this actually as more of a Joe Flacco vs. Marcus Mariota thing. One guy who could win it all with a fundamentally sound defense and a couple of mind-blowing throws, and one who is going to struggle when injury costs him his mobility.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Or he can turn out to be Michael Vick 2.0 - a polarizing player that tantalizes many with occasional brilliance, but never accomplishes our actual goals.

Maybe. What I do know is that anyone banking on Rosen is taking a leap of faith.

Measurables don't matter! Football is just Madden! Murray has a speed rating of 96 because of reasons! Come on, even the biggest Murray fans have to admit that measurables exist for a reason.

Height is overrated. People said the same thing about Wilson and Brees as well. There are real examples of shorter QBs who have succeeded.

Hearing QBs talk on this, you hear them say that they dont see over the line much they see around the line. But I can see why ProRosens dont take stock in what QBs say about it.

Teams also consistently draft players who are dynamic but undersized, to watch them get outclassed. Heisman winners alone, the supposed "best players in college football," what have Derrick Henry, Mariota, Winston, Manziel, RG3, Ingram, Bradford, Troy Smith, Reggie Bush, and Matt Leinart done? I'm not even going to keep going, but no one besides Cam Newton has elevated his team.

And why did any of those individual players fail? For a litany of reasons. I can discuss each one with you if you like.

Man, "raised for this moment" only makes me think of guys like Marinovich. And where you see "quiet and humble," I see "unprepared."

Holy poo out of context much? Did you know Todd was basically abused by his father? Calvin Murray just taught his son how to play football. He was basically the greatest player in Texas high school football history. 5 star recruit. Dad was a college QB, uncle pro baseball.

Murray isnt Hollywood coached by super agents. You count all this against but didnt count the comments against Rosen last year? I didnt buy it then and I dont buy it now.

I think you and I wouldn't agree on gambles leading to Super Bowl teams in the past 20 years, but sure, there's some risks.

More often than not teams tend to have a level of luck to get their but they do need a coach with a vision. I've always said that while Brady is the GOAT, he doesnt become the GOAT if he goes to Tampa Bay.

And imagine this play: Kirk comes on a jet sweep from the weakside. Murray fakes the handoff and... also runs to to the weak side. This play takes five full seconds to develop, and Marcus Gilbert, DJ Humphries, and Korey Cunningham are all injured, so the guy we signed from the Lions to start on Friday doesn't know the play is designed for them to break contain. Murray gets crushed by either Nick Bosa or Dee Ford, and Brett Hundley is now the starting QB.

And you dont think this is a real possibility with Rosen too? Who has been hurt more, Rosen or Murray....I'll wait for the answer because it undermines the argument about Murray being an injury risk...

Instead of maybe just like, an accurate pass to gain the 5 yards needed for the first down.

Something Rosen struggled to do even under the best of circumstances last season which is the reason that the sports world is saying Murray, KK isnt denying that Murray could be the pick, and Keim says Rosen is the QB right now.

You can deny it all you want but the Cardinals dont really seem to believe in Rosen enough to discount the idea that Murray to the Cards is a real thing.

Josh Rosen's max potential is Aaron Rodgers, a guy who places the ball in brilliant areas for his receivers to make plays. Rodgers has been fundamentally the scariest, most clutch guy in the game for a while, and I'd pick him over Russel Wilson, who most Murray supporters seem to think he's already equal or better than... so, Rosen.down.

Strongly disagree here. Rosen even at his best in college, he has been a streaky, mistake prone passer. Even amongst Rosen supporters most say Eli Manning/Matt Ryan.

And dont misconstrue the Wilson comparison...no one is saying hes on that level, the comment is that he is the player comp. Same basic size, similar game. Murrays tape shows that he is more explosive though.

Krang, your opinions are normally sharp, I don't want you to think I'm killing ya here. At the end of the day I see this actually as more of a Joe Flacco vs. Marcus Mariota thing. One guy who could win it all with a fundamentally sound defense and a couple of mind-blowing throws, and one who is going to struggle when injury costs him his mobility.

I said the same thing about Wilson, that hits were going to rob him of his mobility. I didn't account for the fact that Wilson avoids hits when he runs.

Mariota? He wasn't as good as Murray in college. Wasn't as good throwing the ball or running. His only advantage is..height.

 

[BW52]

A big freaking "EFF NO" to Frodo for QB.Bosa/Williams work for me.Prefer Bosa.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

One of the things that changed my mind on Murray is this:

Ever draft or two there is an explosive player who has some warts that scares of teams from drafting them. When that player hits, everybody always goes back, looks at the tape and they wonder how they missed on the guy.

From this draft I think Murray is the guy. He's so explosive. He's been raised for this moment from a small child. He might be quiet and humble, but he is super competitive from all accounts.

He's a gamble, but few teams become great without gambling. The Cardinals have already gambled on a offensive genius from the college ranks who had a losing record. Double down on that bet and take a guy who will strike fear into defenses.

What I envision Murray doing is opening up the entire offense. What I mean is that he has the ability to improve not only the passing game, but the run game too.

Imagine this play: Kirk comes on a jet sweep from the weakside. Murray fakes the handoff and runs to the weak side. The defense is confused all stops for a split second and Murray throws a middle screen to DJ who gets a 60 yard gain.

If Josh Rosen AND Murray hit their max potential, which player would scare a team more???

And when Murray flops because defenses figure his game out and Kingsbury is Fired then what back to the ********* everyone else thinks we are

 

[Krangodnzr]

And when Murray flops because defenses figure his game out and Kingsbury is Fired then what back to the ********* everyone else thinks we are

Figures his game out?

Hes not a one trick pony.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Figures his game out?

Hes not a one trick pony.

Beg to differ the NFL defensive schemes adjust each and every year and Murray is the Poster child for the 0ne Trick Pony unless he can function under center so he may actually succeed for a time but if he or Klingsbury adjust each and every game even during the games then its another One and Done

 

[Lagerfilled]

Beg to differ the NFL defensive schemes adjust each and every year and Murray is the Poster child for the 0ne Trick Pony unless he can function under center so he may actually succeed for a time but if he or Klingsbury adjust each and every game even during the games then its another One and Done

Says the one who clearly didn’t watch Murray last year.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Says the one who clearly didn’t watch Murray last year.

You are right but would like to see 3,5 and 7 step drops from behind center if you could provide some video of that it would be so nice remember like I have said and many web sites say the same thing there is very little evidence of him functioning in a traditional NFL type offense unless you are thinking that Klingsbury will be here for Murray's entire career which is Highly unlikely

 

[HoodieBets]

3 of the top 4 teams last year ranked 1 2 and 3 in snaps under center last year. RPO as the new wave still hasn’t translated into SB or conference championships. Last year LA was first in the league at 63% under center with NE second at 55%. Also NO was fourth with 51%.


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[Ohcrap75]

Too me, there is little doubt that he will be able to make plays on the ground. He will also make great throws in a clean pocket. The difference between him becoming a Russel Wilson level QB or a Marriota/RGIII level is his ability to read defenses, throw with anticipation, getting the ball out quick to avoid taking sacks/hits, and how he leads after losses, handles criticism from media.

 

[football karma]

PFF thinks Murray is pretty much perfect:

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[Solar7]

PFF thinks Murray is pretty much perfect:

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Looks like a target, like the one he'll have painted on his jersey when he runs.

 

[football karma]

Looks like a target, like the one he'll have painted on his jersey when he runs.

note Murray got a perfect "short" grade

**line stolen from twitter**

 

[Jetstream Green]

Murray's not remotely a WR... he will either be a QB or a shortstop