Our interior OL is ****. Warmack is a future probowler multiple times. Take him now. Don't ef around.
He's the pick, IMO.
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Our interior OL is ****. Warmack is a future probowler multiple times. Take him now. Don't ef around.
He's the pick, IMO.
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Trade up and get Joekel
I agree.....instead of getting..."one of a great group of O-linemen"...get,..."the best O-Lineman, and the best player, in the entire draft".....not sure if the Cards have ever done that...
It is way to easy to use the idea of it being a strong class for linemen as an excuse to wait and get one later....which leads to disappointment...
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Like it or not, Lane Johnson will be our pick @ #7. There are many that think he's the best OT in the draft.
This is based on?
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Arians from York, PA. Rumors from people he's still close to have indicated that the Cardinals really like Johnson. He brings the kind of nastiness that Arians is looking for. Supposedly a very bright guy also. I prefer Warmack myself. Just what I'm hearing!
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Not a bad strategy, but I'm going to disagree with you and cheese.
I think CP gives us legitimate hope to win nine games this year, but only if we can keep him upright, and we'll also need to improve our running game.
Since the offensive line is now the biggest weakness of the team (and it's not even close), if one of the elite OL prospects (either Jockel or Warmack) is on the board at seven, I think you have to take him.
PP, CC and DWash can possibly hold the line on D during 2013.
Conversely (and I could be wrong), I think there is zero chance the current slate of OL personnel will be good enough to get us to this year's playoffs.
Both experts on NFL network stated tonight he could be the best of the bunch. I dont know anything about him so I wont comment.
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so, we're back in Levi Brown land again? If that's the case, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
you don't draft for need in the top ten IMO. If you're completely flush at a position like WR, i get it. but if there's a dynamite pass rusher available or the 3rd or 4th ranked Offensive Linemen, you go with the guy who's dynamic imo.
and if it is the concensus best player in the draft at his position?...and possibly the best overall player in the entire draft....but he happens to be a guard?
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IMO, Fisher and kick Levi in at RG. Thats the #1 best move we can possibly make.
Fills 2 major needs with 2 major talents.
Just Warmack fills 1 need with 1 talent. We need all the help we can get.
Seriously guys, lets be real. Warmack could be very, very good. But games arent decided by the play of a single guard, no matter how good he is. Odds are, Warmack wont be that much better than the 2nd best guard, Cooper. Or DeCastro from last year. Warmack will be a huge upgrade, but hes not some savior to our line. You could make an argument that every position on that line could be replaced. After RG, Id argue LG is just as big a need. DC is terrible. Id love to replace Levi with a legit LT. We can always upgrade the C. And Massie needs to show continued growth.
With Fisher, its 2 fish.
Fills 2 major needs with 2 major talents.
Just Warmack fills 1 need with 1 talent. We need all the help we can get.
Seriously guys, lets be real. Warmack could be very, very good. But games arent decided by the play of a single guard, no matter how good he is. Odds are, Warmack wont be that much better than the 2nd best guard, Cooper. Or DeCastro from last year. Warmack will be a huge upgrade, but hes not some savior to our line. You could make an argument that every position on that line could be replaced. After RG, Id argue LG is just as big a need. DC is terrible. Id love to replace Levi with a legit LT. We can always upgrade the C. And Massie needs to show continued growth.
With Fisher, its 2 fish.
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if he's truly BPA, then it's okay, but I just have a very hard time believing a G is the best player in the draft. truth be told, I'd be okay with Warmack, but going for the 2nd or 3rd ranked T just gives me deja vu.
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I agree with this if Joeckel and Fisher is gone. If you can get and elite talent LT do it but otherwise go for the pass rusher which there seems to be 3-4 very good ones this year.
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Not only that but a guy who about 6 weeks ago was considered a likely late 1st/early 2nd round pick.
Jurecki said again today that Warmack was the favorite. Kiem and arians have said over and over that it's BPA and lane Johnson isn't even in that conversation. One day yeah he might be good but at 7 I want a sure thing not a project
Warmack would be our "PP" pick for an offensive line-man at that point in the draft. Where one of our biggest needs coincide with some BPA. I hope, but if we trade down now that we got Palmer I wouldn't bash an eye lid.
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BA let it slip at the PC. Talking about how there's great OL early in the draft and we need to add a couple pieces. Palmer will have more talent in front of him.
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I agree, but IMO BA has already given the LT job by calling him "elite".
Hopefully Palmer sees week 8 after getting blindsided over & over like every other QB has since #75 has been the LT...150+ sacks in 3 years doesn't lie about how bad he is & the Oline in general.
The other concern has to be how many hits & sacks BAs offenses give up each year & can't be ignored
I think Arians means Levi is elite about as much as he means Stanton is his guy.
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I'm curious how things would turn out. Everyone is saying how deep the OL class is. Elite lineman round 1, ok pass rusher round2. Elite pass rusher round 1, ok lineman round 2. Elite pass rusher round 1, good lineman round 2. Elite lineman round 1, good pass rusher round 2. Which is more likely to happen, and which would help our team more?
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My only retort, because I agree with all above is, that Warmack's physical gifts are what this team needs, IMO.
Our guards are just not physical enough, and get pushed around too much, IMO.
Plus the only OLB that I don't think would be a risk/reach at #7 is Dion Jordan, and I think the Eagles are going to pick him, that and I think the Cardinals can get a pass rusher in the 2nd that would not be that much of, if at all, a drop off from the 1st round prospects. Case in point, I think Alex Okafor is no more or less the risk then picking Dion Jordan.
Now, THAT all being said, if we were to pick Dion Jordan or Ansah in the 1st and in the 2nd pick Menelik Watson, then I would not be thrilled, but I would be happy.
Menelik Watson is one of the only tackles that I can see doing well at guard or tackle in the NFL. He is athletic but powerful.
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We still need a safety. I'm not banking on 35 year old Yeremiah Bell and Rashad Johnson to hold our secondary together. Fortunately, like with OLine, there are several apparently good Safeties available this year.
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Just a personal opinion but I'd take Lane Johnson first and my second choice would be North Carolina's Jonathan Cooper assuming Eric Fisher is gone. I say that because both players bring more versatility and I think that is a big deal with both BA and Steve Keim. What concerns me about Chance Warmack is intelligence and stamina. He's a mauler all right, but the other guys bring a lot more athleticism and versatility.
It's always dangerous to take the less polished guy with upside like Lane Johnson, but I'd do it and move Levi to right tackle. This is a draft deep in guards and if necessary we can draft one in the second or third round.
It's always dangerous to take the less polished guy with upside like Lane Johnson, but I'd do it and move Levi to right tackle. This is a draft deep in guards and if necessary we can draft one in the second or third round.
...wait ...huh?
Dion Jordan is the only player that's not a risk at #7. But Alex Okafor is the same risk as Jordan? Then wouldn't both of them not be a reach at #7?
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Do you know how much it's going to take to move up in the Top 10? According to the draft value chart, the #7 pick is worth 1,500 points. To move up to even have a chance to pick him would be an additional 700 points. Take into consideration that our 2nd round pick is only worth 520 points. I think you can figure out that it would take a ton of assets just to move up 4 spots for the chance to take him.
We're sitting pretty as it stands to get one of the top o-linemen in the draft. Why would you burn more picks that could fill gaping holes in this draft just to get someone of, quite frankly, equal value?
If anything, with the depth of this draft, the move to make would be to trade down; however, I'm confident that Warmack will be waiting at #7 that we don't need to do anything unless someone gets desperate for one player a la Falcons for Julio Jones a few years back.
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