Warner, the Cards, & some personal thoughts

[CtCardinals78]

Mistake by Kurt.

He'll admit that.

I have rewatched that play multiple times.

Kurt had to make that throw in a hurry. If he hesitated, Q would no longer have been open.

Maybe he should have shied away from that throw after ready the defense while at the LOS, and dismissed that throw as too risky.

I just didn't like the formation....everyone bunched into the middle of the field and then still throwing into the midde.

I would have prefered a play that bunched the players in the middle and then took a receiver to the outside...or a formation that spread the players out and then flashed a receiver across the middle.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

Q was NEVER open on that play. Granted Harrison made a spectacular play, but that ball should never, ever have been thrown to Q.

 

[conraddobler]

That play was a back snapper.

I credit the entire team including Warner in making a game of it, nothing but heart.

What I want more than anything is a coaching staff that dosen't just bow down to Kurt but one that knocks him in the head for crap like that and one that simply says I don't care what you have to say about that play Kurt you don't throw a pick there ever again, not in that situation, that was not your normal play.

Your defense got you down there, you were just there to collect as many points as possible, nothing more it was a gift and you looked it in the mouth, don't do that again.

That might get us a trophy someday.

 

[moklerman]

What I want more than anything is a coaching staff that dosen't just bow down to Kurt but one that knocks him in the head for crap like that and one that simply says I don't care what you have to say about that play Kurt you don't throw a pick there ever again, not in that situation, that was not your normal play.

Anything more substantial than your imagination to support this theory? Haley and Whis have bowed down to Warner? Really?

 

[Ed Burmila]

That fact is that Warner made a poor play on the int.. But here are some other facts. There were only seconds left on the clock & the Cards had no time-outs. The thing we could least afford was a sack in that situation.

I can think of something we could afford even less.

The fact is that Warner played a NEAR flawless game vs. the best defense in the league.

What is "near flawless"?

Big players are supposed to come up big in big games, not make the one play that directly results in the loss. Yeah, it was only one mistake. But the Titanic only made one mistake too - hitting an iceberg. Other than that, it was great. But so what?

 

[Ed Burmila]

Disparaging 82 just because you dont like him due to that fact that he isn't an advocate of wimping out of wars and assuring that terrorists have rights or encouraging the murder of unborn American citizens is funny. I expect nothing less (or more I guess in this circumstance) from you.

Keep your BS in the P&R forum. This one is for football. If you want to channel Rush Limbaugh (with crappier grammar) do it in the right place.

 

[Cards232]

That play was a back snapper.

I credit the entire team including Warner in making a game of it, nothing but heart.

What I want more than anything is a coaching staff that dosen't just bow down to Kurt but one that knocks him in the head for crap like that and one that simply says I don't care what you have to say about that play Kurt you don't throw a pick there ever again, not in that situation, that was not your normal play.

Your defense got you down there, you were just there to collect as many points as possible, nothing more it was a gift and you looked it in the mouth, don't do that again.

That might get us a trophy someday.

For me? I can't see Walsh doing that to Montana when he threw his bone headed picks in the playoffs as well. Football is an imperfect game. Players make mistakes, even the great ones. Coaches realize that much more than couch potato fans. The great qb's throughout history aren't the ones that didn't make mistakes, but rather the ones that overcame them as Warner did last night. Remember, Big Ben wasn't perfect last night either. He overcame his mistakes as well.

I think it's a shame when folks such as yourself seem to focus so much on one mistake rather than on the positives which were about 40 times more on display. Life is totally uncertain. There are no guarantees that if Warner doesn't throw that pick, & instead, throws it out of the end-zone, that we win. None. To claim otherwise is sheer ignorance. I would prefer to focus on all those throws & reads he made w/ the defender right in his grill that were right on the money, & throws that very few, if any make in this league. The throws that almost brought us SB immortality.

Can you imagine if everyone just focused on Montana's 3 picks in the NFC championship, rather than the throw to Clark. I wonder if you would have been calling for the coaches to "knock him in the head for that crap". Not sure I even want to know the answer, but good thing for Niner fans, the Niner's had a coach who knew better.

It would seem that either you have an agenda against the man, or you're just a "glass half empty" kind of a guy. Half full is a much happier place to be IMO.

 

[Ed Burmila]

I think it's a shame when folks such as yourself seem to focus so much on one mistake rather than on the positives which were about 40 times more on display.

You talk about it like all those plays are equal. Yeah, it was one mistake - one mistake that cost us the game. I'd say that makes it pretty important.

Before you start lecturing others about their attitudes as fans you might ask yourself what is the value of saying "Wow, 99% of his plays were awesome! What a guy!" and ignoring the other 1% that cost us the game.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be a little critical of his game-killing turnover rather than expecting everyone to sit here and blow the guy for being such an awesome player.

 

[Spielman]

You talk about it like all those plays are equal. Yeah, it was one mistake - one mistake that cost us the game. I'd say that makes it pretty important.

Before you start lecturing others about their attitudes as fans you might ask yourself what is the value of saying "Wow, 99% of his plays were awesome! What a guy!" and ignoring the other 1% that cost us the game.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be a little critical of his game-killing turnover rather than expecting everyone to sit here and blow the guy for being such an awesome player.

I hear Shaun King is available.

 

[Cards232]

I can think of something we could afford even less.




What is "near flawless"?

Big players are supposed to come up big in big games, not make the one play that directly results in the loss. Yeah, it was only one mistake. But the Titanic only made one mistake too - hitting an iceberg. Other than that, it was great. But so what?

You're joking right? Warner made FAR more great plays than the one big mistake he made. We could have overcome (& almost did) the mistake he made. We wouldn't have even been close without the great plays he made. Warner may be the ultimate great player on the big stage.

Please share w/ us the great qb's that never made a big mistake in a big game. Was it Montana? Nope. Young? Nope. Brady? Nope. anyone? NOPE. Fortunately, there's only a few of you out there, but you are head scratchers.

 

[Cards232]

You talk about it like all those plays are equal. Yeah, it was one mistake - one mistake that cost us the game. I'd say that makes it pretty important.

Before you start lecturing others about their attitudes as fans you might ask yourself what is the value of saying "Wow, 99% of his plays were awesome! What a guy!" and ignoring the other 1% that cost us the game.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be a little critical of his game-killing turnover rather than expecting everyone to sit here and blow the guy for being such an awesome player.

Please, tell me, definitively, how that play cost us the game. Share w/ us how you know that if Warner had just thrown that pass out of the end-zone, or anything short of the int., we win. Do you really know how the game would have gone from there? What if we would have just settled for a field goal attempt after the incompletion, & it was blocked & returned for a TD? Can you see how silly this argument is?

 

[Ed Burmila]

Please, tell me, definitively, how that play cost us the game. Share w/ us how you know that if Warner had just thrown that pass out of the end-zone, or anything short of the int., we win. Do you really know how the game would have gone from there? What if we would have just settled for a field goal attempt after the incompletion, & it was blocked & returned for a TD? Can you see how silly this argument is?

No, I can't. I'm pretty stupid.

Please tell me, definitively, that the 7 points didn't cost us a game we lost by four.

If we attempted a FG and it was blocked/returned for a TD, then I would say THAT play cost us the game. And you would be on here complaining that I was "focusing on the negative."

 

[Cards232]

I hear Shaun King is available.

Good one. Some of these guys seem to forget where we've been. They also seem to forget that there was only one team better in all the NFL this season, & we lost to them w/ 35 seconds left. And unlike the Steelers, we didn't ride in on the heals of our defense primarily. We road the coat tails of some great players who made mistakes throughout the season.

 

[conraddobler]

I think I've called Warner a conundrum before and that's what he is.

He's like some form of weird substance that allows you to do things you otherwise could never do but ultimately at the wrong time he's going to leave you hanging off a inconvenient ledge.

Other teams get Joe Montana, we get Warner, I guess that's just the way life goes.

We could be starting Yancy Thigpen, it could be a lot worse, except that I've had this team in my life for long enough that we're due for our Elway, our Montana heck I'd take Dilfer at this point.

 

[Cards232]

No, I can't. I'm pretty stupid.

Please tell me, definitively, that the 7 points didn't cost us a game we lost by four.

If we attempted a FG and it was blocked/returned for a TD, then I would say THAT play cost us the game. And you would be on here complaining that I was "focusing on the negative."

I won't comment on the stupid part, but will say that no one, including you Ed, knows what would have happened ultimately w/o the int.. Period. The fact that you can't name anyone who was perfect in that situation is telling as well. Why do you hold Warner to a differrent standard than you do the rest? Or do you just feel all qb's are slackers regardless of how great they are?

Just out of curiosity, did you ever actually play football, qb? Ever make a mistake?