Warner to be ready for Titans

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I think I've seen

McCown lose three possible Td's to Wr's drops or slips, Kurt one that I'm pretty sure of.
The thing about changing QB's now is the same as McCown stepping in for Kurt at first. The O line gels TO THE QB! Changing the cadence and abilities, from one to the other, will cause havoc with the O line.
I'm not saying this because I like McCown. Just think about it. The gelling is behind McCown. throwing Warner back in there now is like going back to square one. I think it would be a mistake. I could be wrong but....
 

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I think

when your throwing in the red zone, with desperation, your bound to have less success than if you have a three or six or seven point lead. Especially when you have no play action or running game to make the D play honest.
I think if everything was in place and clicking, at least most of the time, either guy could have very good stats at this point.
We're going 8-8.
 

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earthsci said:
For at least the Titans game I think that we should start Josh. Give Kurt time to heal better. It also gives the line time to solidify.

I just do not think Green will chance the criticism he received when he switched last year after McCown had two victories. He may want to start Warner but he has a fall back position in saying Warner needs more time to heal. McCown has a lot riding on this game. If he plays poorly then Warner will start next time out and he might not ever get the job back again. That is a possibility not a probablility.
 

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john h said:
I just do not think Green will chance the criticism he received when he switched last year after McCown had two victories. He may want to start Warner but he has a fall back position in saying Warner needs more time to heal. McCown has a lot riding on this game. If he plays poorly then Warner will start next time out and he might not ever get the job back again. That is a possibility not a probablility.
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And he should play it that way. Ride Josh as far as he can take you. I don't think that either one of our QBs are all that great but you have to play your hot hand...and make sure that you are starting someone that's healthy.

Besides I want to see swd1974 buy Rats a jersey.
 

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They deserve contract extensions so that we can have the same signal callers for more than one season and so we can get some continuity on this team. I would like to try and win consistantly sometime in my lifetime and if we keep switching Qb that will not happen. These guys have built a trust with Fitz and Q and they are getting them the ball. There affordable and with a decent line that produced a running game they would be in the top third of Qb in this league. They won't be the best but good enough to make us a playoff team every year if they have a running game. Your right we do deserve better than we have seen so far....but the Qb play has not been that bad. If we stop the run and run effectivly we are undeafted right now. We can't keep a lead because the D can't stop a sustained drive and the offense can't salt away a lead because we can't run the damn ball. Thats how I see it.

I would not giving either one an extension at this point. Either could be injured seriously and we have won one game. Not the stuff extensions are made of. We could end up with Leinhart and will need all the money we can scrape together.
 

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Being able to run the ball and stop the run is hardly outdated.

Yes-- Philly and NE are offensively below average running the ball -- ranked 21st and 25th respectively (the Cardinals are tied for last) as measured by yardage per attempt.

But at least those teams are above average defensively in stopping the run -- ranked 14th and 15th -- while the Cardinals are 21st

I just find it hard to beleive that anybody can look at being last in the league at running the football and conclude -- we would be better if only we had a better QB. Its like having a car whose engine wont start and you conclude its a transmission problem.




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john h said:
I would not giving either one an extension at this point. Either could be injured seriously and we have won one game. Not the stuff extensions are made of. We could end up with Leinhart and will need all the money we can scrape together.

I disagree with this statement and agree with what I have heard. You let both of them play it out for the year, and the player that does the best, gets a mediocre contract extension to be the #2 guy, or the #1 guy until a QB could be groomed.
 

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I disagree with this statement and agree with what I have heard. You let both of them play it out for the year, and the player that does the best, gets a mediocre contract extension to be the #2 guy, or the #1 guy until a QB could be groomed.

This is the type of plan that will get you John Navarre as a starter. If there is any attempt to low-ball, that is... not offer true market value - to Josh or Kurt... they'll be on the open market and gone in a flash. And... yes... despite what may be said on this board re: whether one or the other can play for another team, etc - they'll both be competing for a no. 1 job somewhere next pre-season.

(Remember... this is the board that - at least in a majority - thought Plummer was a bum, Jones, Pittman... etc. AND NEVER could recognize the simple fact that if you can't run the ball and protect the passer... Joe Montana, Steve young, Dan Marino, etc... would all be nobodies!!!)

UNTIL we fix our O-line... we will never know how good any of our QBs can be.
 

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This is the type of plan that will get you John Navarre as a starter. If there is any attempt to low-ball, that is... not offer true market value - to Josh or Kurt... they'll be on the open market and gone in a flash. And... yes... despite what may be said on this board re: whether one or the other can play for another team, etc - they'll both be competing for a no. 1 job somewhere next pre-season.

(Remember... this is the board that - at least in a majority - thought Plummer was a bum, Jones, Pittman... etc. AND NEVER could recognize the simple fact that if you can't run the ball and protect the passer... Joe Montana, Steve young, Dan Marino, etc... would all be nobodies!!!)

UNTIL we fix our O-line... we will never know how good any of our QBs can be.


I said mediocre, I didnt say low ball. Mediocre = middle, as in fair market value. Not overpaying.
 

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dreamcastrocks said:
I said mediocre, I didnt say low ball. Mediocre = middle, as in fair market value. Not overpaying.

Well, mediocre doesn't mean middle... check your Funk and Wagnall :D
 

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AzCards21 said:
Wanna throw the points scored stat up there?

McCown starts. Period.

I agree Josh is on a roll now why stop it. If you want to win you play your best, not the old injury BS. That statement "That you never loose your job to an Injury," is so Republican it sucks. If that statement was true Lou Grerhrick (sp) may have never started for the Yankees. See to all of you youngens Lou replaces an injured 1st baseman and never gave up that starting position until he got sick.


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Bobcat said:
I agree Josh is on a roll now why stop it. If you want to win you play your best, not the old injury BS. That statement "That you never loose your job to an Injury," is so Republican it sucks. If that statement was true Lou Grerhrick (sp) may have never started for the Yankees. See to all of you youngens Lou replaces an injured 1st baseman and never gave up that starting position until he got sick.


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Crazy Canuck said:
Well, mediocre doesn't mean middle... check your Funk and Wagnall :D


mediocre : Moderate to inferior in quality

I'll score this one as a 49% - 51%. I'll get you on the next one. ;)
 

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dreamcastrocks said:
mediocre : Moderate to inferior in quality

I'll score this one as a 49% - 51%. I'll get you on the next one. ;)

Hmm, mine reads a little different:

Mediocre: :newcards:
 

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With the way that McCown's been chucking the ball around, I'm extremely excited to watch the offense. He's been getting the ball to our two biggest playmakers on a more consistent basis than Warner has. McCown has looked much more confident in his role and it shows by his spreading the ball around. Sure, he threw 3 INT's against Carolina, however in the two games he's played, we've been in it to the end. I do not want another game where Denny says, "we play good football for one half..." To me, it just seems that McCown is going to take more chances and with Q and Fitz, most of those chances will be successful ones.
 

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Those three interceptions , two were tipped if I remember. Warner was brought in to play. 4 million dollars worth, that being said if we bench McCown now after the last two games you can forget about his head and heart for this team forever.

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Those three interceptions , two were tipped if I remember. Warner was brought in to play. 4 million dollars worth, that being said if we bench McCown now after the last two games you can forget about his head and heart for this team forever.

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Green in no hurry to name Cardinals' starter
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Sept. 17, 2005 05:10 PM

TEMPE, Ariz. - The Arizona Cardinals went back to work after their bye week without a designated starting quarterback for Sunday's home game against the Tennessee Titans.

Coach Dennis Green seemed in no hurry to name one, either.

"The No. 1 thing we want to try to do is play winning football," Green said after practice. "I don't think it's in our best interest for Tennessee to know exactly who our starting quarterback is going to be."

Kurt Warner started the first three games but has been sidelined by a groin strain that knocked him out of the team's loss at Seattle on Sept. 25. In Warner's absence, Josh McCown threw for career highs of 385 yards in a victory over San Francisco and 398 in a home loss to Carolina.

The off week gave Warner added time for rehabilitation work, and he was taking some of the snaps with the first unit on Monday.

"Right now my goal is to get back from my injury and show everybody that I'm 100 percent, that I can do everything I was doing before the injury so they can make a choice from that standpoint," he said.

Until Warner proves he is completely recovered, the job would go to McCown by default.

"I'm going to prepare like I'm the starter. That's all I can do," McCown said. "I do one play, then he does one play. That's the state of the union right now."

Even if Warner is healthy, Green might have a hard time benching McCown after two big passing performances.

"I'm just going in and getting ready to play," Warner said, "and every chance I get to work out there I'm going to work. There are just certain things I've come to realize are just out of your control."

Green praised Warner as "a great warrior, a great worker."

"You just want to make sure he is like new, meaning like his old self, before you ever go on the field and play," Green said. "I think that's crucial."

The coach said both quarterbacks "have thrown for over 300 yards, and they both have had to do it without a running game."

McCown has been through this before with Green. Last season, he started the first nine games, was benched for three, then returned to start the last four. The Cardinals signed Warner to a one-year deal, then Green gave him the starting job before this season's training camp.

Green is 7-14 since coming to the Cardinals. All seven of the victories came with McCown at quarterback.

The receivers are wisely staying out of the issue.

"It doesn't change the way I run routes. It doesn't change how I catch the ball," Anquan Boldin said. "Whoever is there, I'm going to play the same."
 

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Way to speak

up Q! YEA baby! At this point wh do you folks REALLY think they want back there? I'm serious. No bashing, if you please.
 
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