Warriors @ Suns 12-31-18

[Evil Ash]

Well the road trip was fun....now back to our regular 2 wins out of 20 pace. Sucks ass

Maybe but this schedule has not been helpful at all. Quie frankly it's been brutal

We're a good piece from a playoff team but we are a ways from teams like the warriors.

 

[Mainstreet]

Happy New Years everyone.

 

[sdscard4]

I don't care who were playing after 4 years of being the worst I expect being competitive in every game....errrr wait we are once again one of the worst teams. Tired of excuses excuses....young...better teams...schedule....blah blah.

 

[1Sun]

We have played 3 of the 5-6 best teams in the league in our past 3 games. Most teams in the league would have lost those 3 games as well.

OKC without Paul George and Denver are nowhere near 2 of the best 5-6 teams in the league.

At least they were blown out at the ends of halves, rather than at the beginning.

Defense is regressing again, as are Booker, Warren, Bridges and Melton. And once again, Ayton is the lone bright spot only for the team to stop going to him.

Who's to blame?

 

[1Sun]

I agree it's always good to remember the good teams have been together for years in many cases.

Next to a point guard, I think defense and upgrading the roster is a priority for the Suns.

Next to a point guard, upgrading the coach has to be priority #1, in my opinion.

 

[SirStefan32]

I don't care who were playing after 4 years of being the worst I expect being competitive in every game....errrr wait we are once again one of the worst teams. Tired of excuses excuses....young...better teams...schedule....blah blah.

So after being THE worst team in the league last year, only five players coming back, four rookies on the roster, you expect to be competitive against every single team, every single game? When you set unreasonable expectations, you are going to be disappointed.

 

[1Sun]

So after being THE worst team in the league last year, only five players coming back, four rookies on the roster, you expect to be competitive against every single team, every single game? When you set unreasonable expectations, you are going to be disappointed.

With an upgrade in talent, including the #1 pick in the draft who is putting up record numbers, I expect improvement on last year's results, not even worse results.

 

[Hoop Head]

Seriously, we have been competitive in the last dozen games or so minus the game we just had against the DEFENDING NBA CHAMPS. I know this has been a tough season but things have definitely looked a lot better in December than they did in November. Hopefully January is better than December. If we can play at about a 35-40% winning mark in January and then 40-45% in February so we can be at 500 by March & April, I'd be ecstatic.

 

[sdscard4]

Yes after numerous top 10 or even top 5 picks I expect competitive b ball. Not a 4 game stretch where we all say I love this team! Such improvement! Only to see it was fool's gold and we are back to what we were before. Something needs to happen

 

[SirStefan32]

Yes after numerous top 10 or even top 5 picks I expect competitive b ball. Not a 4 game stretch where we all say I love this team! Such improvement! Only to see it was fool's gold and we are back to what we were before. Something needs to happen

They lost to the three teams at the very top of the western conference. They looked better this month, especially since Booker's return than they looked before. Ayton's numbers have been great. They are playing defense on most nights. They beat five teams in the last 11 games. Something IS happening. You just refuse to see it because you have unreasonable expectations. You don't go from being the worst team in the league to a completely competitive team in one year after only five players return.

 

[sdscard4]

5 wins in 11 games? That's something to be proud of? C'mon really...that's what it comes to? Sub 500 ball ? And if you look at the schedule it's 5 wins in 20 games. Can't cherry pick to fit your narrative

 

[Hoop Head]

5 wins in 11 games? That's something to be proud of? C'mon really...that's what it comes to? Sub 500 ball ? And if you look at the schedule it's 5 wins in 20 games. Can't cherry pick to fit your narrative

Saying we've won 5 of our last 10 is not cherry picking. Everywhere that lists standings list a teams record over the last 10. YOU are cherry picking by including more and claiming it's not improvement.


Here's a link to ESPN that shows last 10

http://www.espn.com/nba/standings

You can see the same with Yahoo...
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/standings/

CBS Sports lists the last 10 also...
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/standings/

I could go to FoxSports, Sports Illustrated, Sporting News, it doesn't matter because they all do it. So please tell me who is cherry picking what.

 

[sdscard4]

Saying we've won 5 of our last 10 is not cherry picking. Everywhere that lists standings list a teams record over the last 10. YOU are cherry picking by including more and claiming it's not improvement.


Here's a link to ESPN that shows last 10

http://www.espn.com/nba/standings

You can see the same with Yahoo...
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/standings/

CBS Sports lists the last 10 also...
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/standings/

I could go to FoxSports, Sports Illustrated, Sporting News, it doesn't matter because they all do it. So please tell me who is cherry picking what.

So we had a 500 record for a 10 game stretch out of close to what 35 games? Does that make it better? Or shall I say what it really is 5 out of 20. Look I want improvement this is my team. But we have had numerous picks and talent come in....and we are dead last. No sugar coating this cause we played 500 ball for a 10 game stretch.

 

[BC867]

Saying we've won 5 of our last 10 is not cherry picking. Everywhere that lists standings list a teams record over the last 10. YOU are cherry picking by including more and claiming it's not improvement.


Here's a link to ESPN that shows last 10

http://www.espn.com/nba/standings

You can see the same with Yahoo...
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/standings/

CBS Sports lists the last 10 also...
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/standings/

I could go to FoxSports, Sports Illustrated, Sporting News, it doesn't matter because they all do it. So please tell me who is cherry picking what.

Are you willing to predict that the Suns will not fall behind that one high point of the season (.500?) and will win 5 of our next 10 games?

Realistically, I don't think so because we had a softer spot in the schedule for a short while. Realistically, we are no better a team than we were 10 games ago.

That is not reason to rejoice. If you can feel good 10 games from now, that would be great.

 

[sdscard4]

Look at the top 14 teams in the West and what team is the only one out of it....horrible. that's with our last 10 game improvement. The 14th nearly doubles our win %.

 

[SirStefan32]

So we had a 500 record for a 10 game stretch out of close to what 35 games? Does that make it better? Or shall I say what it really is 5 out of 20. Look I want improvement this is my team. But we have had numerous picks and talent come in....and we are dead last. No sugar coating this cause we played 500 ball for a 10 game stretch.

That's the whole point- you look at different intervals. They lost what, like 10 games in a row before they went on a little winning streak? Going 0-10, then going 5-5 is improvement. Multiple top picks don't matter. Chriss was a bust, Bender was a bust, jury is still out on JJ. Len was a bust. There is no point in talking about three or four busts from the last few years in the context of this year. Those picks have literally zero to do with this season.

We get it man, we all wish we had 30 wins now and that Chriss and Bender were All-Stars. Sadly, we live in reality, and in reality, we are just not a great team that can be consistently competitive.

 

[sdscard4]

Let me repeat team 14 out of 15 team conference doubles our win %

 

[SirStefan32]

Let me repeat team 14 out of 15 team league doubles our win %

Yeah, we know. Do you think we are idiots and don't know how to look up the standings?

 

[sdscard4]

That's the whole point- you look at different intervals. They lost what, like 10 games in a row before they went on a little winning streak? Going 0-10, then going 5-5 is improvement. Multiple top picks don't matter. Chriss was a bust, Bender was a bust, jury is still out on JJ. Len was a bust. There is no point in talking about three or four busts from the last few years in the context of this year. Those picks have literally zero to do with this season.

We get it man, we all wish we had 30 wins now and that Chriss and Bender were All-Stars. Sadly, we live in reality, and in reality, we are just not a great team that can be consistently competitive.

I'm not asking for all stars or 30 wins....I want a coach who teaches and has his players back...takes a T once in awhile...i want improvement ...last 10 games yes improvement. Last 3 games not even close

 

[sdscard4]

Yeah, we know. Do you think we are idiots and don't know how to look up the standings?

Sorry poop gave me 786543 links to look up standings

 

[Hoop Head]

Are you willing to predict that the Suns will not fall behind that one high point of the season (.500?) and will win 5 of our next 10 games?

Realistically, I don't think so because we had a softer spot in the schedule for a short while. Realistically, we are no better a team than we were 10 games ago.

That is not reason to rejoice. If you can feel good 10 games from now, that would be great.

Why does that have to be the high point of the season? It is the high point so far but that doesn't mean it will be for the remainder of the year. You're one who always jumps on people for not being optimistic and expecting too little from the Suns and now you are doing the same thing, expecting the worst.

If you think we haven't improved though it's because you aren't watching them. What a great time to stop watching also, once they started playing better. It allows you to bury your head in the sand and call for change.

I never said we'd go 5-5 in the next 10 either, I'd like to see them improve though and win 35% of their games next month because that's an improvement from December, just like how December was an improvement on November. You can want a winning team now but it's not going to happen. They're a young team and they need to develop as players and as a team. It takes time to get competitive and we're seeing that now. Nothing was going to make us a playoff team over night no matter how bad anyone wanted it.

 

[SirStefan32]

I'm not asking for all stars or 30 wins....I want a coach who teaches and has his players back...takes a T once in awhile...i want improvement ...last 10 games yes improvement. Last 3 games not even close

I get it man, I share your frustrations too. I doubt there is a single person here who is thrilled with where we are. I look at the segments- few games at a time. We were awful at the beginning of the year. Then we started seeing some effort every once in a while- they'd have a good quarter once in a while. Then they made some changes, started playing defense, and had decent three or three and a half quarters games. Then they started winning some games. Ayton looks better, Booker looks better, Bridges is a beast of defense, Oubre appears to be an NBA player. You can't go from awful to good overnight. You almost have to look at segments of five to ten games and compare to what they looked like before.

 

[cwamjn]

Nothing was going to make us a playoff team over night no matter how bad anyone wanted it.

Not to be super contrarian, but landing Lebron MIGHT have made us a playoff team. MIGHT. Also not suggesting he thought about it, but that probably was the one and only chance of us making a playoff appearance this year.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Not to be super contrarian, but landing Lebron MIGHT have made us a playoff team. MIGHT. Also not suggesting he thought about it, but that probably was the one and only chance of us making a playoff appearance this year.

Perhaps but I think it might have required Lebron AND a transfer to the Eastern Conference.

 

[1Sun]

That's the whole point- you look at different intervals. They lost what, like 10 games in a row before they went on a little winning streak? Going 0-10, then going 5-5 is improvement. Multiple top picks don't matter. Chriss was a bust, Bender was a bust, jury is still out on JJ. Len was a bust. There is no point in talking about three or four busts from the last few years in the context of this year. Those picks have literally zero to do with this season.

We get it man, we all wish we had 30 wins now and that Chriss and Bender were All-Stars. Sadly, we live in reality, and in reality, we are just not a great team that can be consistently competitive.

And those busts are gone, and yet we're even worse. Again, who's to blame?

Also, it's looking quite possible that we go 0-10, then 5-5, then 0-10 again (or 1-9 or 2-8). Do you call that improvement?