Washington Commanders @ Arizona Cardinals Pre Game Thread. 09/23/24-09/28/24

[DVontel]

I said let’s see IF they’ve eclipsed us… as in it’s an unknown if they’re already better than us and a head to head matchup will give us an idea where both teams are. Never mentioned anything about the playoffs.

I know that my guy. That’s why I asked you.

They could win H2H & still finish with a worse record. The “eclipse” won’t be obvious until the end of the season.

 

[kerouac9]

Also phone the Bengals FO about trading for Trey Hendrickson.

He requested a trade this offseason and people just shrugged.

He’s 29 tho.

 

[TheCardFan]

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[Chopper0080]

Worried cause I feel like Kliff will throw out the whole kitchen sink. Hope this isn’t a repeat of the 2020 Miami game.

Ok. Explain to me how Kliff was a hinderance to Kyler as an offensive coach/scheme BUT causes worry when we play against him as an offensive coach/scheme?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I know that my guy. That’s why I asked you.

They could win H2H & still finish with a worse record. The “eclipse” won’t be obvious until the end of the season.

They could also eclipse us by just winning 5 games if we only win 4. Playoffs are kinda irrelevant.

 

[Chopper0080]

For me, this is a more important game for AZ than last week was vs Detroit. I can tolerate being beat by a more talented roster and a team that has already learned how to win big games. I can't tolerate losing to a team with a rookie QB, less talent, and a similar recent history of losing.

Kinda a no win scenario for Monti, Gannon and Kyler in that they should win, so less credit for a win than blame for a loss.

 

[gimpy]

More than anything, it’s a must win to show progression from last year. We played some good teams last year tough too, but we still lost to a lot of bad teams. That needs to be the first thing that changes with any team. Beat the teams your favored to beat, especially at home.

I agree with your statement, but, are we favored to win this game?

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree with your statement, but, are we favored to win this game?

If we aren't, that is also a problem.

 

[DVontel]

Ok. Explain to me how Kliff was a hinderance to Kyler as an offensive coach/scheme BUT causes worry when we play against him as an offensive coach/scheme?

It’s more-so that I was worried Jayden was going to have his coming-out party against us like Tua did in 2020.

Weirdly enough, I feel better that it happened right before us so the team knows what to expect.

 

[DVontel]

They could also eclipse us by just winning 5 games if we only win 4. Playoffs are kinda irrelevant.

?

What?

I guess? That’s not what cheese even remotely close implied.

 

[Chopper0080]

It’s more-so that I was worried Jayden was going to have his coming-out party against us like Tua did in 2020.

Weirdly enough, I feel better that it happened right before us so the team knows what to expect.

Ok. That makes sense. I appreciate you not taking offense to the question, and clarifying your position.

 

[vince56]

For me, this is a more important game for AZ than last week was vs Detroit. I can tolerate being beat by a more talented roster and a team that has already learned how to win big games. I can't tolerate losing to a team with a rookie QB, less talent, and a similar recent history of losing.

Kinda a no win scenario for Monti, Gannon and Kyler in that they should win, so less credit for a win than blame for a loss.

The biggest problem I had with the Detroit game was Murray airmailing passes instead of going through his progressions. The O-line gave him a ton of time, he was jittery as hell for no apparent reason. That’s concerning, but we’ll see which Kyler we get this week, the baller from week 2, or the dude throwing Madden balls from week 3.

For our defense, i think they hold against Washington. They’ve been solid so far this year. I just worry our corners may be due to be exposed. We’ve been playing soft zone a bunch and our secondary has been playing good fundamentals, so I don’t think they’ll be beat deep anytime soon. But it only takes one confused rookie to blow an assignment and leave a WR streaking down the field unaccompanied. I’m hoping that’s not this week.

 

[Chopper0080]

The biggest problem I had with the Detroit game was Murray airmailing passes instead of going through his progressions. The O-line gave him a ton of time, he was jittery as hell for no apparent reason. That’s concerning, but we’ll see which Kyler we get this week, the baller from week 2, or the dude throwing Madden balls from week 3.

For our defense, i think they hold against Washington. They’ve been solid so far this year. I just worry our corners may be due to be exposed. We’ve been playing soft zone a bunch and our secondary has been playing good fundamentals, so I don’t think they’ll be beat deep anytime soon. But it only takes one confused rookie to blow an assignment and leave a WR streaking down the field unaccompanied. I’m hoping that’s not this week.

Sure, we didn't play our best vs a good team, but that is frosting on the cake for me this year. What I am looking for is how we are doing vs teams who have worse situations or talent than we do (our are at least perceived that way). Rams were beat up and we beat them. Good. Commanders have a rookie QB and what most people on here have argued, a joke of an offense. Also, not a ton of roster talent. We should win this game by a FG at least.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Worried cause I feel like Kliff will throw out the whole kitchen sink. Hope this isn’t a repeat of the 2020 Miami game.

I hope his kitchen sink involves 20 WR screens lol?

 

[BritCard]

For me, this is a more important game for AZ than last week was vs Detroit. I can tolerate being beat by a more talented roster and a team that has already learned how to win big games. I can't tolerate losing to a team with a rookie QB, less talent, and a similar recent history of losing.

Kinda a no win scenario for Monti, Gannon and Kyler in that they should win, so less credit for a win than blame for a loss.

This must be what it's like for the Chiefs in every game

 

[ajcardfan]

I agree with your statement, but, are we favored to win this game?

Yes, by 3.5 at the moment. I would guess the money moves onto Washington and it drops to about pick em by Sunday.

 

[kerouac9]

I agree with your statement, but, are we favored to win this game?

We're currently favored by 3.5 points and -190 on the moneyline.

 

[kerouac9]

Yes, by 3.5 at the moment. I would guess the money moves onto Washington and it drops to about pick em by Sunday.

That's a huge amount of movement. Vegas doesn't really like to move the line through a score. Maybe it drops to 2.5 points?

According the Bet MGM, 73% of the spread bets are on Washington, but two-thirds of the ML bets are on the Cards.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Kliff currently has Daniels rushing the ball about 13 times a game. He is going ruin this kid like the Redskins did to RG3 his rookie season if he isn't careful.

That said with the issues that he Cardinals had containing Josh Allen a couple of weeks ago, containing Daniels will definitely be a big concern for the Cardinals D this week.

 

[BritCard]

SKins have the worst pass defense in the league by some distance

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[602 Native]

Should be a fight but I am worried about their run game against our D. They have some horses in the backfield.

 

[BritCard]

Should be a fight but I am worried about their run game against our D. They have some horses in the backfield.

Robinson had less than 2 yards per carry last night, all the running came from Daniels and even his numbers weren't great. Had sub 100 rushing overall.

 

[602 Native]

Robinson had less than 2 yards per carry last night, all the running came from Daniels and even his numbers weren't great. Had sub 100 rushing overall.

You think we have a better run D than the Bengals?

 

[Chopper0080]

This must be what it's like for the Chiefs in every game

Yes. It's one reason why the Patriots run was so impressive.

 

[Chopper0080]

That's a huge amount of movement. Vegas doesn't really like to move the line through a score. Maybe it drops to 2.5 points?

According the Bet MGM, 73% of the spread bets are on Washington, but two-thirds of the ML bets are on the Cards.

I think it closes right at 3. They will drop it to 2.5 if they are too heavy on the Commanders at 3.5.