We will trade out.

[slanidrac16]

im beginning to believe ( which has changed 2 dozen times) that we will trade out providing of course there is an offer. I believe any offer would bring 2 additional picks. I think the Raiders are going to be the team because they would still have 2 first round picks. Imagine 4,27,35 in addition to our 33,65 and 97. IF, Murray was still there at 4 we could take him( or not)then trade Rosen ( or not) for a first round or a 2nd and 3rd possibly giving us five or six top 100 picks. To me it’s the most prudent thing to do in order to build this team the right way. With those picks we would have the flexibility to even trade back up. Whether you support the idea of Murray ( which we could still get trading out) or Rosen it’s hard to argue the influx of talent we could obtain. I just think the 1st pick is worth more than any 1 player.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

im beginning to believe ( which has changed 2 dozen times) that we will trade out providing of course there is an offer. I believe any offer would bring 2 additional picks. I think the Raiders are going to be the team because they would still have 2 first round picks. Imagine 4,27,35 in addition to our 33,65 and 97. IF, Murray was still there at 4 we could take him( or not)then trade Rosen ( or not) for a first round or a 2nd and 3rd possibly giving us five or six top 100 picks. To me it’s the most prudent thing to do in order to build this team the right way. With those picks we would have the flexibility to even trade back up. Whether you support the idea of Murray ( which we could still get) or Rosen it’s hard to argue the influx of talent we could obtain. I just think the 1st pick is worth more than any 1 player.

I really like the trade idea ad just keep Rosen with some talent around him Murray scares the hell out of me just not only the measurables but the whole not starting but just just one year very little, if any under center work etc. He may very well turn out to be good to great buy there just isnt enough evidence for my liking

 

[Solar7]

I don't really have a ton of faith in Keim at that point. My concern is going to be that if we move back, we haven't spent enough time on the guys in these areas, instead we focused all of this nonsense on Murray.

Three guys that are okay starters aren't more alluring to me than one guy who is a true star.

 

[slanidrac16]

I don't really have a ton of faith in Keim at that point. My concern is going to be that if we move back, we haven't spent enough time on the guys in these areas, instead we focused all of this nonsense on Murray.

Three guys that are okay starters aren't more alluring to me than one guy who is a true star.

We both are assuming. They could be okay starters but they could be very good starters. Everything at this point is based on grading and speculation. But fill in some of the names with 4,27,33,35,and 65. With 4 ( Murray, Williams, Allen, Oliver, Sweat) with 27 ( Fant, Williams, Brown) 33( samuels, Harry) 35( lindstrum, Risner ). Some of these players will flop. But if we get it right , wow.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

We both are assuming. They could be okay starters but they could be very good starters. Everything at this point is based on grading and speculation. But fill in some of the names with 4,27,33,35,and 65. With 4 ( Murray, Williams, Allen, Oliver, Sweat) with 27 ( Fant, Williams, Brown) 33( samuels, Harry) 35( lindstrum, ? ). Some of these players will flop. But if we get it right , wow.

Just leave Murray off substitute Williams or another defense studd and it's a very good list This team is a hell of a lot further off than one questionable QB prospect can help at least in the short to medium term

 

[Proximo]

I will agree if we do make a trade it will be with the raiders.

But I dont Think it is going to happen.

All I know is they better take Murray or trade down, standing pat and taking Bosa would be a gigantic waste of the first picks value.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

And don't forget as good as Mahomes was with KC last year who was it that took home the big trophy at the end of the day

 

[Finito]

Trade out and take the best defensive player on the board

 

[GatorAZ]

The Raiders are in a great spot because they don’t have to do anything. If they want Murray/Haskins at least one should be available or they could grab one of Oliver/Williams/Allen. Their swish cheese D needs a lot of help.

 

[dscher]

I don't really have a ton of faith in Keim at that point. My concern is going to be that if we move back, we haven't spent enough time on the guys in these areas, instead we focused all of this nonsense on Murray.

Three guys that are okay starters aren't more alluring to me than one guy who is a true star.

I think this team will have to win in spite of keim. Imo, KK is going to be his last gasp effort, and he knows it, so just another reason I can't see the Murray thing not going down. But he is gonna go out swinging....as he already stated this past year.

 

[dscher]

And don't forget as good as Mahomes was with KC last year who was it that took home the big trophy at the end of the day

And when we have the best qb to ever play the game on our team, I'll stop worrying about finding out next qbotf.

 

[Solar7]

I think this team will have to win in spite of keim. Imo, KK is going to be his last gasp effort, and he knows it, so just another reason I can't see the Murray thing not going down. But he is gonna go out swinging....as he already stated this past year.

The actual smartest move for Keim, instead of swinging for the fences, would be to build a roster that shows improvement, since he signed an extension. MB cannot in any way be telling the guy that he expects us to win the division or contend for a Super Bowl right now.

Get the team to six or seven wins with some growth. That's how he keeps his gig.

 

[AZCrazy]

With proper tradeouts we could have five picks in the top two rounds of this draft, without even trying. THAT's how you build a team. Not by giving up on a rookie quarterback who had a tough season when surrounded by total feces.

 

[az jam]

I don't see anyone trading to get to the first pick. Cost is too high and there is really no dominating player.

 

[slanidrac16]

I don't see anyone trading to get to the first pick. Cost is too high and there is really no dominating player.

I kind of think you are right, but we just don’t know what other teams are thinking.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

I don't see anyone trading to get to the first pick. Cost is too high and there is really no dominating player.

In that sense it's the same ole Cards totally sucked last year then end with the #1 only to have No Luck or Manning etc. In the draft at all

 

[dscher]

The actual smartest move for Keim, instead of swinging for the fences, would be to build a roster that shows improvement, since he signed an extension. MB cannot in any way be telling the guy that he expects us to win the division or contend for a Super Bowl right now.

Get the team to six or seven wins with some growth. That's how he keeps his gig.

Agree. My only contention is that you don't do all that without bringing in guys who will complement KKs offense to the fullest..because as much as defense still wins championships, you need the offense nowadays to at least get ya there..

 

[Shane]

We can only hope

 

[Solar7]

I don't see anyone trading to get to the first pick. Cost is too high and there is really no dominating player.

In that sense it's the same ole Cards totally sucked last year then end with the #1 only to have No Luck or Manning etc. In the draft at all

Bosa's been at the top of this thing all along until we decided to hire a fired college coach who made a wild proclamation months ago.

Bosa's the elite player, and this board continues to ignore it.

Even still, teams didn't trade out to move away from Luck or Manning. In the past 20 years, the #1 has been traded three times only. And no team moving out really came away with much, besides the faint memory of the Chargers for Vick.

 

[Shane]

and there is really no dominating player.

Come on now. Have you heard of this Kyler Murray kid?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Come on now. Have you heard of this Kyler Murray kid?

I did hear that he dominated in high school.

 

[az jam]

Bosa's been at the top of this thing all along until we decided to hire a fired college coach who made a wild proclamation months ago.

Bosa's the elite player, and this board continues to ignore it.

Even still, teams didn't trade out to move away from Luck or Manning. In the past 20 years, the #1 has been traded three times only. And no team moving out really came away with much, besides the faint memory of the Chargers for Vick.

Agree, Bosa is probably the best player. The safer thing for the Cards to do would be to draft Bosa at #1 and keep Rosen at QB. With the rest of the picks we could get some good wide receivers and offensive linemen and whatever else we need. I think we would have a solid team built around Rosen. I also think with KK and Clements, Rosen will do well.

 

[az jam]

I'm not ready to give up on Rosen. That is why I am saying the Cards should draft Bosa. I don't see any team trading up to number one this year. I was very happy when the Cards date Rosen last year and really feel we will have a much better team this year and he will be greatly improved. I'm not anti-Murray just don't feel we need another qb.

 

[overseascardfan]

If OAK is trading up it ain't going to be for Murray. Murray will be there at #4 if ARZ does not take him which I feel they won't so they wouldn't have to trade up to get him. IMO Bosa, Williams and Allen go in first 3 picks, I think OAK trades up to get their replacement for Mack. If ARZ drops to #4 and Murray and Haskins are there, they may be able to trade down a little more and still get a player like Oliver or Greedy Williams. Supposedly, they have met with Brian Burns of FSU, he is projected to go in Top 15. ARZ has options if Bosa is not their guy but I think they stay at #1.

 

[dscher]

Come on now. Have you heard of this Kyler Murray kid?

Lol. Did he not?