Webb for Cy Young

[Stallion]

Webby bounced back nicely with a solid win last night (especially after the death of his close friend in Kentucky).

If he leads the league in wins and ERA he'll win the award. If he doesn't have both, it'll be close (remember what happened in Randy Johnson's last year here when he dominated in every stat but wins and got the shaft).

Here's the competition:

Wins
1. B Webb, ARI 14
1. B Penny, LAD 14
1. C Zambrano, CHC 14
4. A Harang, CIN 13
4. J Marquis, STL 13
4. S Trachsel, NYM 13

ERA
1. J Johnson, FLA 2.87
2. C Carpenter, STL 2.96
3. B Webb, ARI 3.02
4. R Oswalt, HOU 3.23
5. J Schmidt, SF 3.23

Go Webby, and go Run Support.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Webb is also first in the NL in innings pitched despite missing time due to injury. Add to that he is tied for first in shutouts, tied for second in complete games, sixth in WHIP, and tied for first in winning %.

 

[devilalum]

The best thing Webb has going for him is that there really aren't any spectacular pitchers in the NL this year.

Just compare Webb's numbers to Randy Johnson's numbers for any one of his Cy Young seasons. RJ always had huge strike out numbers, good win/loss, great ERA and tons of complete games. RJ also used to routinely throw 130-140 pitches per outing.

 

[Stallion]

Well, the end of that Washington game didn't help any. Here are the updated stats standings:

Wins
1. B Penny, LAD 15
2. B Webb, ARI 14
2. C Zambrano, CHC 14
2. J Marquis, STL 14
2. S Trachsel, NYM 14
6. A Harang, CIN 13
6. C Carpenter, STL 13
6. D Lowe, LAD 13
6. A Pettitte, HOU 13

ERA
1. C Carpenter, STL 2.87
2. J Johnson, FLA 2.99
3. R Oswalt, HOU 3.12
4. B Webb, ARI 3.14
5. J Schmidt, SF 3.39

 

[devilalum]

Well, the end of that Washington game didn't help any. Here are the updated stats standings:

Wins
1. B Penny, LAD 15
2. B Webb, ARI 14
2. C Zambrano, CHC 14
2. J Marquis, STL 14
2. S Trachsel, NYM 14
6. A Harang, CIN 13
6. C Carpenter, STL 13
6. D Lowe, LAD 13
6. A Pettitte, HOU 13

ERA
1. C Carpenter, STL 2.87
2. J Johnson, FLA 2.99
3. R Oswalt, HOU 3.12
4. B Webb, ARI 3.14
5. J Schmidt, SF 3.39

That would totally suck if 2 lousy rookie mistakes cost Webb the Cy Young.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

You have to give it Carpenter at this point.

 

[HooverDam]

So on my way home from work today, I flipped on the radio to 1060, and it was some Fantasy Baseball Show I had never heard of. The first thing I heard them talking about was how Brandon Webb isnt a #1 starter. That really annoyed me, how can you be into fantasy baseball and all the stats and not know Brandon Webb is in the top 5 in so many categories. Anyway, I called in and told them what was up, before losing the connection due to technical issues.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Webb is now 2nd in ERA, tied for 1st in Wins and complete games, and 1st in innings pitched and shutouts.

 

[Nasser22]

I was so happy to hear he had a good game a couple days ago. He starting to fade away but he's right back in the hunt for the Cy Young after that.

 

[Stallion]

Wins
1. B Webb, ARI 15
1. B Penny, LAD 15
3. D Lowe, LAD 14
3. C Zambrano, CHC 14
3. J Marquis, STL 14
3. S Trachsel, NYM 14
7. B Arroyo, CIN 13
7. T Glavine NYM 13
7. A Harang, CIN 13
7. C Carpenter, STL 13
7. A Pettitte, HOU 13

ERA
1. C Carpenter, STL 2.97
2. B Webb, ARI 3.00
3. R Oswalt, HOU 3.15
4. J Johnson, FLA 3.20
5. B Arroyo, CIN 3.29

Webb is better than Carpenter in Wins, Starts, Complete Games, Shutouts, Innings Pitched, and HR Allowed.

Carpenter is better in ERA, Strikeouts, and Team Record (which shouldn't factor in, but it usually does).

Go Webby!

 

[Stallion]

Win #16, he regains the league lead in complete games, and the ERA is down to 2.92.

The Giants would help the cause a lot by knocking Carpenter around. Go San Fran!

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Unfortunately for us, Carpenter had a solid game tonight. One run in seven innings.

 

[Sunshooter]

Webb is better than Carpenter in Wins, Starts, Complete Games, Shutouts, Innings Pitched, and HR Allowed.

Carpenter is better in ERA, Strikeouts, and Team Record (which shouldn't factor in, but it usually does).

Go Webby!

WHIP is another option

Webb 1.14
Carpenter 1.04

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Webb is going to need Carpenter to collapse in his next two starts in order to win the Cy Young.

 

[Stallion]

Wins
1. B Webb, ARI 16
1. B Penny, LAD 16
3. C Carpenter, STL 15
3. C Zambrano, CHC 15
5. B Arroyo, CIN 14
5. D Lowe, LAD 14
5. J Marquis, STL 14
5. S Trachsel, NYM 14

ERA
1. C Carpenter, STL 2.79
2. B Webb, ARI 2.92
3. R Oswalt, HOU 3.06
4. J Johnson, FLA 3.10
5. B Arroyo, CIN 3.17

Carpenter sure isn't making this easy. The top 5 guys all had their ERA go down since the last post.

 

[boondockdrunk]

Someone else to throw in the mix might be Trevor Hoffman. He has an ERA around 2 while converting a total of 40 saves. In a weak race for the Cy Young in the NL, a closer like Hoffman might just win it.

 

[Stallion]

Someone else to throw in the mix might be Trevor Hoffman.

This is true, especially if he breaks the all-time save record and gets his team into the playoffs.

But I think if you have two starters with 17-18 wins and sub-3 ERA's it'll be really hard for the voters not to give it to one of them.

Now, what I could see happening is Webb and Carpenter splitting the vote and a dark horse winning a very close 3-way race. Maybe.

 

[Stallion]

Wins
1. B Webb, ARI 16
1. B Penny, LAD 16
3. C Carpenter, STL 15
3. C Zambrano, CHC 15
3. S Trachsel, NYM 15
(8 players tied with 14)

ERA
1. C Carpenter, STL 2.93
2. B Webb, ARI 2.95
3. R Oswalt, HOU 3.05
4. J Johnson, FLA 3.10
5. B Arroyo, CIN 3.38

I thought last night's game was going to put a big dent in Webb's chances, but Carpenter did even worse (6 earned runs). Brandon is still very much alive.

 

[boondockdrunk]

Wins
1. B Webb, ARI 16
1. B Penny, LAD 16
3. C Carpenter, STL 15
3. C Zambrano, CHC 15
3. S Trachsel, NYM 15
(8 players tied with 14)

ERA
1. C Carpenter, STL 2.93
2. B Webb, ARI 2.95
3. R Oswalt, HOU 3.05
4. J Johnson, FLA 3.10
5. B Arroyo, CIN 3.38

I thought last night's game was going to put a big dent in Webb's chances, but Carpenter did even worse (6 earned runs). Brandon is still very much alive.

I still believe that Webb is at a disadvantage here. He is not as well known as someone like Penny or Carpenter and that might hurt him in the long run. Even if he ends up with a better ERA and more wins than anyone else, the voters probably will not recognize it.

 

[Stallion]

It looks like Webby will get 2 more starts, including the last game of the year. Gotta finish strong, hopefully win both, and then see what happens.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/0926webbcarpenterbox-CR.html

Pitcher W-L ERA WHIP GS CG SHO PC IP H ER HR WP BB SO OPP. BA
Webb 16-7 2.95 1.13 31 5 3 3,169 223 205 73 15 3 48 167 .246
Carpenter 15-7 2.93 1.04 31 5 3 3,133 214 2/3 182 70 21 3 41 178 .229

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Webb, Carpenter battle for Cy Young till end
Bob McManaman
The Arizona Republic
Sept. 26, 2006 12:00 AM SAN FRANCISCO - The Diamondbacks are supposed to be done with the scoreboard watching. Though they weren't officially eliminated from playoff contention until Sunday at Dodger Stadium, they've been out of it for weeks.

And yet that doesn't mean they won't be keeping an eye on today's game between the San Diego Padres and St. Louis Cardinals.

That's because the National League Cy Young Award seems to have boiled down to a two-man race between the Diamondbacks' Brandon Webb and the Cardinals' Chris Carpenter, both of whom are scheduled to start for their clubs tonight.

"I'm sure there will be a few of our guys watching (Carpenter) pitch," Diamondbacks manager Bob Melvin said.

Tonight may be Carpenter's last start of the regular season. If the Cardinals clinch a playoff spot, he will skip his last turn in the rotation to pitch Game 1 of the playoffs. Webb likely will start Arizona's season finale on Sunday against the visiting Padres.

Members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America cast the votes and ballots are to be filed by the conclusion of games on Sunday. But some votes may have been sent in early, not taking the last start or starts into consideration.

One writer with an NL Cy Young vote told The Republic he is waiting until the final game because "it's just too close to call."

The pitching statistics between Webb and Carpenter, the 2005 Cy Young winner, are virtually identical.

"I wish I would get a vote and then you'd get a player's perspective," Diamondbacks pitcher Miguel Batista said, adding the three key ingredients to determining a pitcher's success is ERA, innings pitched and opponents' batting average.

Carpenter and Webb rank 1-2 in the NL in ERA. Webb ranks third in innings pitched with 223 and Carpenter was seventh with 214 2/3. Opponents are batting .246 off Webb and just .229 off Carpenter.

Their walk and strikeout totals are similar, too. Half of Webb's starts, however, have come at one of the most hitter-friendly parks.

The biggest difference might be that Carpenter is pitching for a winning team. Webb's Diamondbacks are in last place in the NL West, 10 games out of first.

"But you can't gauge anything on that," Batista said. "How can you help your team go to the playoffs if you're only pitching every fifth day? I haven't seen anybody pitch any better than (Webb) this year."

In the past 15 years, the NL Cy Young has gone to eight pitchers, with Arizona's Randy Johnson (1999-2002) and Greg Maddux (1992-95) of the Cubs and then Braves winning it four consecutive years.

With the Diamondbacks out of the postseason picture, Webb's final starts won't include pressure-packed dependency.

"I think that obviously does take a little bit of the pressure off of you," he agreed. "Yeah, I think that could actually make a difference. You go out there and when you feel relaxed, you just feel that much better. Hopefully, that's going to help me (tonight)."

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/0926webbside0926.html

 

[Stallion]

Very interesting that this could be Carpenter's last start. Go Padres!

And go Webby.

 

[TucsonDevil]

I find it very easy to now root for the Padres tonight. GO WEBB... a silver lining on the dark cloud in Aug/Sept

 

[Stallion]

The Pods did their job, knocking Carpenter around for another 6 earned runs, plus he took the loss. (Man, what's up with the Cards? Are they going to blow the division??)

Webb pitched GREAT again...but he won't get the win. This team only has one thing left to play for, and to get it they only have to be good once every 5 days...and they can't even do that. 2 errors and some bad catching lead to an unearned run in the 8th. Bah.

Updated stats in the morning...