Week 14 Impressions: Panthers 19 Cardinals 12

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Very frustrating game to watch, obviously. A game where most of the minuses outweighed the plusses.

Cases in point:

Defense in General:

(-) * Came out of the gates not interested in tackling---save the hustle plays by Daryl Washington.

(-) * Still starting a player at NT who would not play for any other team in the NFL...and is backed up by a rookie 1st rounder who is a far superior talent and performer. Head scratch.

(+) * Despite all this the defense stiffens versus the run in the 3rd quarter...basically stuffing it left and right to keep the team in the game.

(+) * Holds the Panthers to 1 TD in 5 red zone trips.

(-) * Once again...when the team needed the defense to hold late in the game, they folded up their tents like anxious boy scouts headed for the comforts of home. The 10 yard run on third and 9 at the 3:00 mark was horrendous.

Offense in general:

(+) * Save two poor decisions---the int overthrow to a blanketed Stephen Spach and the throwback pass off a scramble that he could have easlily ran for a first down---John Skelton passed the ball fairly well.

(-) * Could not get into any rhythm due to numerous drops on passes that could not have been more accurate (Wells, Doucet, Spach)---which makes one wonder about all three of these players. All three have been major underachievers in the program this year. The eptiome was Spach's drop where he cowered at the thought of getting hit---the truth is, Spach, like Bryan Robinson would not get any major minutes on any other team---and furthermore, the fact that he's the go-to TE in this game proves once again that the Cardinal FO and the coaches cannot consistently pick, evaluate and develop players properly...the irony is that Whiz was a TE, and in his 4 years in AZ, the TE play has been flat-out awful. Whiz gets an F for not developing Ben Patrick...and moreover, from what we've already seen this year, should Spach have been playing the role of pass catching TE over Jim Dray?

(+) * THT runs hard...gets a key first down.

(-) * THT once again fumbles (which makes one wonder---should the Cardinals draft another RB?...seriously...THT and Wells are turnovers or dropped passes/assignments waiting to happen).

(+) * Skelton's best 3 passes: (1) the sideline pass to Fitz---on the money over the CB and inside the S; (2) The sideline pass to Breaston, where he adeptly dragged his toes; (3) the scramble right pass into the seam to Fitz for a nifty third down conversion...on a day where ther numerous 3rds and 4 did not turn out well at all.

(-) * Whiz playing dink and dunk with a strong armed QB...Whiz is lost as an OC---he really is. He never let Skelton establish himself as a threat right from the start...it's Whizzendung Chickendung.

(-) * Skelton reverted to throwing off his back foot in the 4th quarter, especially in the red zone (where he could have been picked off twice) and most especially on the post pass to Breaston down the middle that should have been a huge gain has Skelton stepped into his throw and thrown a dart.

(-) * Once again---the refusal to chip a DE...the epitome today was Jason Wright lining up to the left of Skelton in the shotgun, and on the snap he runs three inches by the Panther DE, and even if he hand punches him off his route the DE would have been no factor. Instead Wright zooms past him and out of the play, per usual.

Special Teams in General:

(+) * Good returns from LSH and Roberts.

(-) * Poor kick and punt coverage---worst of the season.

(-) * Let's see the Cardinals lost a game earlier this season on an on-side kick that Feely wasn't able to kick 10 yards (as he himself ran into the limp, barely bouncing noodle), yet they try the 8 yard wet noodle TWICE more in this game. Unreal.

Players Who Played Well:

11 Fitzgerald
63 Sendlein
92 Williams
93 Campbell
58 Washington
29 Rodgers-Cromartie

Players Who Were No-Shows:

26 Wells
83 Spach
80 Doucet
97 Robinson
55 Porter
53 Haggans
28 Toler
24 Wilson (in a game like this he should have had at least 10 tackles)
25 Rhodes (so should have he---he was shying away all game, like Spach)

It is what it is...

Meanwhile, we have a young up and coming pass rusher in O'Brien Schofield, only...wait a minute...was that Schofield in coverage?

Yup...was't even asked to rush the passer...

This Cardinal coaching staff is one of the absolute worst bunch of talent evaluators and developers---ever.

Take Skelton---how do you look at him and at Max Hall and arrive at the conclusion that Hall's the better player?

Even FOX asked Whiz about Skelton---the player who, thanks to Whiz's media theatrics, had to fight off a newly-signed steet FA for his first start---Whiz says:

"Good Poise...Pocket Presence...Accuracy..."

Yet Whiz had been hiding him under a rock???

Makes absolutely no sense. NONE.

Talent---and much of it---is wasting under this coaching staff.
 
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Very frustrating...

Talent---and much of it---is wasting under this coaching staff.
Yeah, I'm starting to come around to this line of thinking. I wish we knew what was going to happen next year in the NFL, because there are a lot of talented coaches out there, but if there's no offseason workouts/camps the teams changing staffs are going to be at a huge disadvantage.
 

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Great thoughts on the game Mitch, but as usual I think the stinker of all is Grimm, how can you be starting your 3rd QB of the season and Grimm's fabulous OL does not deliver on giving his QB some run support.
Hey I like André Roberts absolutely deserves some playing time for the rest of the year.

Whiz, find an offensive coördinator,make your life simpler, come on Man!

I like Whiz and if we keep him, I would like to sign QB Fitzpatrick of Buffalo, that would give us two highly intelligent QB's for Whiz.
 

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(+) * Save two poor decisions---the int overthrow to a blanketed Stephen Spach and the throwback pass off a scramble that he could have easlily ran for a first down---John Skelton passed the ball fairly well.

(-) * Skelton reverted to throwing off his back foot in the 4th quarter, especially in the red zone (where he could have been picked off twice) and most especially on the post pass to Breaston down the middle that should have been a huge gain has Skelton stepped into his throw and thrown a dart.
Contradictory comments... Skelton had some good throws but certainly had few bad ones showing he is a rookie. But, the potential is there and I agree 110% with you that how the hell Whiz arrived at this notion that Hall is better prepared than Skelton???????? It is night and day difference between the two with, obviously, Skelton being way better than Hall.
 

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You did not mention anything about the OL which was really terrible both at run blocking and pass protection. Our RB's were tackled in the backfield quite a bit and Skelton was under constant pressure.
 

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I would have included Skelton has someone who played well. Watching the Steelers game, the comparison with Ben is apt. Skelton will do well in the NFL. I only hope the Cardinals are smart enough to recognize this. It is not encouraging when, as Mitch points out, Whiz leads with Hall.
 

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Skelton in week 14 and Skelton in week 4 were two very different Players, I'm guessing.
 

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Good post Mitch.

The Robinson thing has been killing me all year. Why do teams run on us early in games. Look no further.

Skelton looks good to me. He is getting little help from receivers or the running game. I watched the Jets game and Edwards making huge catches and taking vicious hits after catch and holding on. Sanchez also has a running game to help. More than one first down on third amd more than five to go.


Add Breaston to drop list. He should have had that ball in endzone.

Disagree on Sendlein. Thought he was lousy again.

Glad someome else saw how tenative Rhodes was today. He was not bringing anything today.

Has Patrick really regressed to the point Spach is a better alternative? I actually liked Patrick at one time.
 
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Skelton in week 14 and Skelton in week 4 were two very different Players, I'm guessing.
Hall in week 12 and Hall in week 4 were not two very different players, I'm guessing.

So, I guess that shows the difference between the two players. One improved drastically even without getting any first team practice time while other remained sucking.
 

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I can see Skelton being limited to short throws ealry in the game. He tends to to float his deep passes. I agree about Rhodes. He may be the best 2 hand touch safety in the league. Paris Lenon and Joey Porter should not be on this team next year. Dan Williams, Schoefield, and Washingotn all look like they have a bright future.
I disagree about Wells. I think for the first time all year he had 3 consecutive carries. Those resulted in a 1st down. I don't know who the RB coach is but both Wells and THT seem to constantly make wrong cuts and run into traffic when it looks like there is a hole if the cut in/out. Another big question is what to do with Wilson. He's pretty much done but I can see Graves keeping him around just for PR purposes. SILB may be the biggest need on this team.
 

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I do not understand the dislike for Lenon. He leads the team in tackles and also had another sack today. He can be a good complement to Washington's youth in a 3-4 and can be a solid backup to Washington if we go back to a 4-3. We need to get rid of Hayes who appears to be done.
 

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Hall in week 12 and Hall in week 4 were not two very different players, I'm guessing.

So, I guess that shows the difference between the two players. One improved drastically even without getting any first team practice time while other remained sucking.

You're not going to get any disagreement on me about Hall being very, very bad. I've been saying it since Week 3. But mentally there's no doubt in my mind that Skelton wasn't ready to appear in an NFL game in Week 4, and based on his 57.1 QB rating this afternoon, he probably isn't ready to appear in an NFL game right now.

But I have little doubt that Max Hall was the most mentally prepared quarterback on the roster after #7 was unceremoniously dumped, and the coaching staff was forced to go with him. The team made a mistake in not finding a better backup, but they'd painted themselves into a corner at that point.

Also, running the scout team, Skelton probably got far more practice reps during the season than Hall was going to as the #2 QB.
 

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"(-) * Skelton reverted to throwing off his back foot in the 4th quarter, especially in the red zone (where he could have been picked off twice) and most especially on the post pass to Breaston down the middle that should have been a huge gain has Skelton stepped into his throw and thrown a dart."


I saw the same thing amigo. I like how the guy handles himself, he plays big (to his size) and can get around. I know he has a big game in him, if he has one against Dattass or the Whiners I will be happy hippie. When he plants his footsies and has time he can deliver nicely. I also like his scramble. Nice play action today and only one shot gun hand off. :D
 

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I do not understand the dislike for Lenon. He leads the team in tackles and also had another sack today. He can be a good complement to Washington's youth in a 3-4 and can be a solid backup to Washington if we go back to a 4-3. We need to get rid of Hayes who appears to be done.
I agree Hayes is done but Lenon may be the worst starting LB in the league. His "sack" could have gone Washington or Haggans, at least they forced the action. I would think a starting LB could run to the QB untouched and get a sack. The guy can't get off blocks, takes bad angles, and misses tackles. He is flat out putrid. Plus, people need to stop talking about the Cards going back to a 4-3, it isn't happening.
 

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Mitch, would the Cards be better off with Skelton if they extended his passing game more. It seems that he is more productive with a more vertical game. How about going to a hurry up? But maybe he is not experienced enough to handle that at this point.
 
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Mitch, would the Cards be better off with Skelton if they extended his passing game more. It seems that he is more productive with a more vertical game. How about going to a hurry up? But maybe he is not experienced enough to handle that at this point.

Skelton completed his first 4 passes, Larry...but for 17 yards total...and no first downs...

If the plan was to come out and attack down field, the message would have been much clearer. But this is the Whiz dink and dunk offense.
 

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Skelton completed his first 4 passes, Larry...but for 17 yards total...and no first downs...

If the plan was to come out and attack down field, the message would have been much clearer. But this is the Whiz dink and dunk offense.

Wasn't one of the reasons we were told Leinart didn't have the coaches confidence because he didn't throw the ball downfield and checked down? If Whisenhunts plan is to throw short-intermediate routes all game then it would seem to me that Leinart was most suited to it.
 

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I agree Hayes is done but Lenon may be the worst starting LB in the league. His "sack" could have gone Washington or Haggans, at least they forced the action. I would think a starting LB could run to the QB untouched and get a sack. The guy can't get off blocks, takes bad angles, and misses tackles. He is flat out putrid. Plus, people need to stop talking about the Cards going back to a 4-3, it isn't happening.

x2, 3, & 4....

I counted 4 bad angle/outright missed tackles by Lenon... in the 1st quarter.

I'm encouraged by O'Brien & Washington. I'd keep Haggans for "heart & leadership". But we are in desperate need of 2 more starting LB's, and 2 back-ups on this team.

Coaching staff seems to be in love with Lenon for some reason. If you wan't to keep him around as a back-up, fine (thought I don't know if he contributes on ST).

Edit: Come Draft day, I suspect we'll see LB and OL addressed well before QB. I can see us going into next season with Skelton, Vet FA (Hasselback or Bulger) and either Hall or some other low draft choice/RFA QB option.

Go Cards!!!
 
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Great thoughts on the game Mitch, but as usual I think the stinker of all is Grimm, how can you be starting your 3rd QB of the season and Grimm's fabulous OL does not deliver on giving his QB some run support.
Hey I like André Roberts absolutely deserves some playing time for the rest of the year.

Whiz, find an offensive coördinator,make your life simpler, come on Man!

I like Whiz and if we keep him, I would like to sign QB Fitzpatrick of Buffalo, that would give us two highly intelligent QB's for Whiz.

Hard to believe that the Cards could only gain 27 yards on 14 carries against the worst team in the NFL.
 

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I agree Hayes is done but Lenon may be the worst starting LB in the league. His "sack" could have gone Washington or Haggans, at least they forced the action. I would think a starting LB could run to the QB untouched and get a sack. The guy can't get off blocks, takes bad angles, and misses tackles. He is flat out putrid. Plus, people need to stop talking about the Cards going back to a 4-3, it isn't happening.
How can a player be putrid and lead a team with total tackles and tackles for loss?????????

Cards switched to 4-3 surprisingly today quite a bit so it is not out of the question.
 

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Hard to believe that the Cards could only gain 27 yards on 14 carries against the worst team in the NFL.

Carolina actually has a pretty decent defense. They've just been on the field a whole lot because of their offense.

Also, another negative today was not throwing to Larry in the endzone. We had at least 6 chances to do so and he wasn't thrown to once. I mean, what happened to the fade in the corner for a jump ball?

Negative aside, I still very much like the potential in Skelton. He acts like a winner out there and once the game slows down for him I think he will do well for us. As long as we are patient though.
 

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I can see Skelton being limited to short throws ealry in the game. He tends to to float his deep passes. I agree about Rhodes. He may be the best 2 hand touch safety in the league.


4 interceptions, 3 fumble recoveries 2 of which went for TD's. 80 total tackles in 14 games. His predecessor, I forget his name I think you might know it, he topped 80 tackles at FS once while here, he had ONE fumble recovery in FIVE years with the Cards. He has 2 FR's this year, which just proves he wasn't a CB and wasn't a FS, he's finally being used like a SS and they only made that change halfway through the season when they figured out he can't be relied on to be in position at FS. So put him at SS near the LOS and he's pretty good.

Rhodes is playing the position they signed him to play, better than the prior guy ever played it.
 

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Very frustrating game to watch, obviously. A game where most of the minuses outweighed the plusses.

Cases in point:

Defense in General:

(-) * Came out of the gates not interested in tackling---save the hustle plays by Daryl Washington.

(-) * Still starting a player at NT who would not play for any other team in the NFL...and is backed up by a rookie 1st rounder who is a far superior talent and performer. Head scratch.

(+) * Despite all this the defense stiffens versus the run in the 3rd quarter...basically stuffing it left and right to keep the team in the game.

(+) * Holds the Panthers to 1 TD in 5 red zone trips.

(-) * Once again...when the team needed the defense to hold late in the game, they folded up their tents like anxious boy scouts headed for the comforts of home. The 10 yard run on third and 9 at the 3:00 mark was horrendous.

Offense in general:

(+) * Save two poor decisions---the int overthrow to a blanketed Stephen Spach and the throwback pass off a scramble that he could have easlily ran for a first down---John Skelton passed the ball fairly well.

(-) * Could not get into any rhythm due to numerous drops on passes that could not have been more accurate (Wells, Doucet, Spach)---which makes one wonder about all three of these players. All three have been major underachievers in the program this year. The eptiome was Spach's drop where he cowered at the thought of getting hit---the truth is, Spach, like Bryan Robinson would not get any major minutes on any other team---and furthermore, the fact that he's the go-to TE in this game proves once again that the Cardinal FO and the coaches cannot consistently pick, evaluate and develop players properly...the irony is that Whiz was a TE, and in his 4 years in AZ, the TE play has been flat-out awful. Whiz gets an F for not developing Ben Patrick...and moreover, from what we've already seen this year, should Spach have been playing the role of pass catching TE over Jim Dray?

(+) * THT runs hard...gets a key first down.

(-) * THT once again fumbles (which makes one wonder---should the Cardinals draft another RB?...seriously...THT and Wells are turnovers or dropped passes/assignments waiting to happen).

(+) * Skelton's best 3 passes: (1) the sideline pass to Fitz---on the money over the CB and inside the S; (2) The sideline pass to Breaston, where he adeptly dragged his toes; (3) the scramble right pass into the seam to Fitz for a nifty third down conversion...on a day where ther numerous 3rds and 4 did not turn out well at all.

(-) * Whiz playing dink and dunk with a strong armed QB...Whiz is lost as an OC---he really is. He never let Skelton establish himself as a threat right from the start...it's Whizzendung Chickendung.

(-) * Skelton reverted to throwing off his back foot in the 4th quarter, especially in the red zone (where he could have been picked off twice) and most especially on the post pass to Breaston down the middle that should have been a huge gain has Skelton stepped into his throw and thrown a dart.

(-) * Once again---the refusal to chip a DE...the epitome today was Jason Wright lining up to the left of Skelton in the shotgun, and on the snap he runs three inches by the Panther DE, and even if he hand punches him off his route the DE would have been no factor. Instead Wright zooms past him and out of the play, per usual.

Special Teams in General:

(+) * Good returns from LSH and Roberts.

(-) * Poor kick and punt coverage---worst of the season.

(-) * Let's see the Cardinals lost a game earlier this season on an on-side kick that Feely wasn't able to kick 10 yards (as he himself ran into the limp, barely bouncing noodle), yet they try the 8 yard wet noodle TWICE more in this game. Unreal.

Players Who Played Well:

11 Fitzgerald
63 Sendlein
92 Williams
93 Campbell
58 Washington
29 Rodgers-Cromartie

Players Who Were No-Shows:

26 Wells
83 Spach
80 Doucet
97 Robinson
55 Porter
53 Haggans
28 Toler
24 Wilson (in a game like this he should have had at least 10 tackles)
25 Rhodes (so should have he---he was shying away all game, like Spach)

It is what it is...

Meanwhile, we have a young up and coming pass rusher in O'Brien Schofield, only...wait a minute...was that Schofield in coverage?

Yup...was't even asked to rush the passer...

This Cardinal coaching staff is one of the absolute worst bunch of talent evaluators and developers---ever.

Take Skelton---how do you look at him and at Max Hall and arrive at the conclusion that Hall's the better player?

Even FOX asked Whiz about Skelton---the player who, thanks to Whiz's media theatrics, had to fight off a newly-signed steet FA for his first start---Whiz says:

"Good Poise...Pocket Presence...Accuracy..."

Yet Whiz had been hiding him under a rock???

Makes absolutely no sense. NONE.

Talent---and much of it---is wasting under this coaching staff.

I noticed today that Skelton was very poor at passing when running to his left and throwing across his body. That is one thing that the Arkansas's Mallet is very good at. Throwing on the run either to the left or right. I also noticed Mallet also has a stronger arm than Skelton and can throw deep even when moving backwards or with people hanging on him. It is much to early to tell a lot about Skelton. After the next two games we should have a good idea. Especially against the Cowboys as they are playing rather well lately. Their backup QB is looking good. For a backup I give him a grade of "C" at this point. We still need to use our first pick for a QB as we are going to be in the first five in the draft and a few of those teams do not need a QB.
 
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