Week 14 Impressions: Panthers 19 Cardinals 12

[AZ Native]

As a Whiz supporter, I agree his turn as OC should be history. I personally would have fired the DC a midseason. That said, Whiz only has a short time period to make an impact on the coordinator's jobs and save his own job.

 

[Buckybird]

4 interceptions, 3 fumble recoveries 2 of which went for TD's. 80 total tackles in 14 games. His predecessor, I forget his name I think you might know it, he topped 80 tackles at FS once while here, he had ONE fumble recovery in FIVE years with the Cards. He has 2 FR's this year, which just proves he wasn't a CB and wasn't a FS, he's finally being used like a SS and they only made that change halfway through the season when they figured out he can't be relied on to be in position at FS. So put him at SS near the LOS and he's pretty good.

Precisely why I said we should have let AW play out his contract, walk & sign Rolle to play SS. Rolle's pretty good at blitzing the QB too.

 

[Seandonic]

You did not mention anything about the OL which was really terrible both at run blocking and pass protection. Our RB's were tackled in the backfield quite a bit and Skelton was under constant pressure.

THIS THIS THIS A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!!!

You think Skelton throwing off his back foot in the fourth quarter had anything to do with the fact that he was under constant pressure for all three quarters before? Behind this line even Tom Brady would be reverting and regressing.

PLEEEEEASE Cardinals FO, fix the O-line. They have not been good since the 70's for crying out loud.

 

[cgolden]

Prior to the 4th quarter, 10 of 23 for 75 yards. How can he be a positive?

His only success came against a prevent defense in the fourth quarter when the score was 19-3 and we were running a hurry up offense (7 of 10 for 121 in the fourth).

I guess if there is some way we can ensure he'll face three man rushes and soft zones all game long, we can be excited about his future.

 

[desertdawg]

Prior to the 4th quarter, 10 of 23 for 75 yards. How can he be a positive?

His only success came against a prevent defense in the fourth quarter when the score was 19-3 and we were running a hurry up offense (7 of 10 for 121 in the fourth).

I guess if there is some way we can ensure he'll face three man rushes and soft zones all game long, we can be excited about his future.

I know it sounds like hoopla but a lot of his passes did get dropped in both games. I think he will have a break out game against the 9ers. (uh oh , I just typed that )

 

[Evil Ash]

Prior to the 4th quarter, 10 of 23 for 75 yards. How can he be a positive?

His only success came against a prevent defense in the fourth quarter when the score was 19-3 and we were running a hurry up offense (7 of 10 for 121 in the fourth).

I guess if there is some way we can ensure he'll face three man rushes and soft zones all game long, we can be excited about his future.

Another 5 passes were dropped IN THE FIRST HALF ALONE. Breaston had another drop in the 4th that was a TD. Our WRs have forgotten how to catch the ball.

Was he great by any means? No but the stats don't do this kid justice

 

[Duckjake]

Carolina actually has a pretty decent defense. They've just been on the field a whole lot because of their offense.

10 of 13 Carolina opponents had rushed for over 100, 5 of those went over 150. Two more for over 90.

The Cards top two backs got 27. Pasthetic.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

4 interceptions, 3 fumble recoveries 2 of which went for TD's. 80 total tackles in 14 games. His predecessor, I forget his name I think you might know it, he topped 80 tackles at FS once while here, he had ONE fumble recovery in FIVE years with the Cards. He has 2 FR's this year, which just proves he wasn't a CB and wasn't a FS, he's finally being used like a SS and they only made that change halfway through the season when they figured out he can't be relied on to be in position at FS. So put him at SS near the LOS and he's pretty good.

Rhodes is playing the position they signed him to play, better than the prior guy ever played it.

I didn't say he hasn't made any plays. Just the next time he tackles somebody may be the first. I will give him that he did make one legit tackle on the sidelines today but he makes DRC look like Antoine Winfield in the tackling department. He's really good at showing up at the end of the play or pushing someone out of bounds. He's played a godd FS ball skill-wise just don't expect him to make a play saving tackle in the middle of the field.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

How can a player be putrid and lead a team with total tackles and tackles for loss?????????

Cards switched to 4-3 surprisingly today quite a bit so it is not out of the question.

C'mon, you know better than that. Somebody had to lead the NJ Nets is scoring last year too. That doesn't make them any good.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Early Doucet is horrible.

How he sees the field in a game like this, is still puzzling. Your primary, #1 duty as a wide reciever is the catch the ball. He doesn't, nuff said. He is just horrible.

This game was the reason why I state, that I do not know what the Cardinals will do in the offseason at running back. What a horrible showing by both Wells, and Hightower.

Same goes for the offensive line, and Russ Grimm. One can only hope some team hires Grimm away as an OC.

Cause our offensive line is horrible. Faneca looked horrible yesterday. He better retire, because film of him walking around the field looking old, and lost is not good for getting a job next year. Then there is the Brown, Lutui, and Sendlein, "Three Stooges". or the one that never will be, the one that isn't, and the one that never was.

 

[Russ Smith]

Precisely why I said we should have let AW play out his contract, walk & sign Rolle to play SS. Rolle's pretty good at blitzing the QB too.

Yep in hindsight the right move was keep Rolle, put him at SS and let WIlson go.

I just get tired of the stuff about Rhodes, yes he's not Ronnie Lott, but we are seeing the best play at FS by a Cardinal in quite awhile and if we were 10-4 and not 4-10 he'd be Pro Bowl bound and people are ripping on him.

It's not his fault there's no pass rush and we can't stop anybody on the run, he's doing his job, and then some.

For all the complaining people do about bad signings by the FO, which is legit, when they actually make a good deal, and UPGRADE a position significantly people still complain like they think the previous guy was better when he wasn't.

Rolle was one of the worst starting CB's in the NFL when he was there, he was at best an average FS, he's finally playing ok now because the Giants aren't asking him to cover anybody they're just letting him play at the LOS and blitz.

That's not what we needed him to do here, we needed him to be a FS and he wasn't.

 

[Russ Smith]

I didn't say he hasn't made any plays. Just the next time he tackles somebody may be the first. I will give him that he did make one legit tackle on the sidelines today but he makes DRC look like Antoine Winfield in the tackling department. He's really good at showing up at the end of the play or pushing someone out of bounds. He's played a godd FS ball skill-wise just don't expect him to make a play saving tackle in the middle of the field.

How do you get 70 tackles and 10 assists in 14 games if you can't tackle? He's made some big hits this year, and some times he's shied away from contact.

It's not like the guy he replaced never missed a tackle leading to a long run by Frank Gore, Stephen Jackson, etc. Hell just in that one Frank Gore highlight package they showed in the first Niners game we saw Rolle miss a tackle creating a long run, and rolle get steamrolled in the hole by Gore on a TD run.

The point is Rhodes is significantly better than the guy he replaced and you complain about him week after week as if he's part of the problem. He's part of the solution he was one of the few moves we've made in the last 2 years that actually worked to our advantage, we got better at that position.

It took the Giants half a season to figure out Rolle can't play FS and they moved him to SS without telling anybody they were doing it. We didn't have that option because of Wilson and his contract which looks like another glaring mistake.

 

[Mulli]

Was Rolle a difference maker yesterday when the Eagles scored 28 points in 7 minutes?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

How do you get 70 tackles and 10 assists in 14 games if you can't tackle? He's made some big hits this year, and some times he's shied away from contact.

It's not like the guy he replaced never missed a tackle leading to a long run by Frank Gore, Stephen Jackson, etc. Hell just in that one Frank Gore highlight package they showed in the first Niners game we saw Rolle miss a tackle creating a long run, and rolle get steamrolled in the hole by Gore on a TD run.

The point is Rhodes is significantly better than the guy he replaced and you complain about him week after week as if he's part of the problem. He's part of the solution he was one of the few moves we've made in the last 2 years that actually worked to our advantage, we got better at that position.

It took the Giants half a season to figure out Rolle can't play FS and they moved him to SS without telling anybody they were doing it. We didn't have that option because of Wilson and his contract which looks like another glaring mistake.

How does Paris Lenon lead the team in tackles when he can't tackle either? All that shows is Rhodes is good at grabbing the flag out of the runners pants as he is passing by.
I said Rhodes has made some plays, what more do you want? He's not a tackler. I don't rip on him week after week. I think he is vastly overrated by people on this board. All I know is the defense was alot better with Dansby and Rolle than it is with Lenon and Rhodes.

 

[Mulli]

How does Paris Lenon lead the team in tackles when he can't tackle either? All that shows is Rhodes is good at grabbing the flag out of the runners pants as he is passing by.
I said Rhodes has made some plays, what more do you want? He's not a tackler. I don't rip on him week after week. I think he is vastly overrated by people on this board. All I know is the defense was alot better with Dansby and Rolle than it is with Lenon and Rhodes.

I am thinking that was due to Dansby not Rolle. Are you claiming that Aaron Francisco got the Cards to the Super Bowl?

 

[Cardiac]

You're not going to get any disagreement on me about Hall being very, very bad. I've been saying it since Week 3. But mentally there's no doubt in my mind that Skelton wasn't ready to appear in an NFL game in Week 4, and based on his 57.1 QB rating this afternoon, he probably isn't ready to appear in an NFL game right now.

But I have little doubt that Max Hall was the most mentally prepared quarterback on the roster after #7 was unceremoniously dumped, and the coaching staff was forced to go with him. The team made a mistake in not finding a better backup, but they'd painted themselves into a corner at that point.

Also, running the scout team, Skelton probably got far more practice reps during the season than Hall was going to as the #2 QB.

Very well stated. Skelton is still having trouble calling the plays correctly as in using the correct terminology.

Same goes for the offensive line, and Russ Grimm. One can only hope some team hires Grimm away as an OC.

John Clayton thinks he is the front runner for the Panthers HC job.

Yep in hindsight the right move was keep Rolle, put him at SS and let WIlson go.

I just get tired of the stuff about Rhodes, yes he's not Ronnie Lott, but we are seeing the best play at FS by a Cardinal in quite awhile and if we were 10-4 and not 4-10 he'd be Pro Bowl bound and people are ripping on him.

It's not his fault there's no pass rush and we can't stop anybody on the run, he's doing his job, and then some.

For all the complaining people do about bad signings by the FO, which is legit, when they actually make a good deal, and UPGRADE a position significantly people still complain like they think the previous guy was better when he wasn't.

Rolle was one of the worst starting CB's in the NFL when he was there, he was at best an average FS, he's finally playing ok now because the Giants aren't asking him to cover anybody they're just letting him play at the LOS and blitz.

That's not what we needed him to do here, we needed him to be a FS and he wasn't.

cosign

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I am thinking that was due to Dansby not Rolle. Are you claiming that Aaron Francisco got the Cards to the Super Bowl?

Well, we had 4 pro-bowlers on defense last year in DD, DRC,AW and some other guy. For some reason his doesn't count . All 4 were deserving. This year we'll have zero pro-bowlers and none are deserving. If I had to pick one closest to deserving it would be Rhodes. In fact the pro-bowl would be perfect for him because there is very little contact in that game.

 

[Mulli]

Well, we had 4 pro-bowlers on defense last year in DD, DRC,AW and some other guy. For some reason his doesn't count . All 4 were deserving. This year we'll have zero pro-bowlers and none are deserving. If I had to pick one closest to deserving it would be Rhodes. In fact the pro-bowl would be perfect for him because there is very little contact in that game.

Rolle was like the second alternate to the Pro Bowl. Big whoop, I see it as a wash. Not like Rolle as a classic automatic tackling machine.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Rolle was like the second alternate to the Pro Bowl. Big whoop, I see it as a wash. Not like Rolle as a classic automatic tackling machine.

Big whoop, that's what i don't understand. That means he was thought of as a top 3 free safety in the NFC. I would take that from every one of our players. It wasn't the fans who put him up there.

 

[Mulli]

Big whoop, that's what i don't understand. That means he was thought of as a top 3 free safety in the NFC. I would take that from every one of our players. It wasn't the fans who put him up there.

Has adding the 3rd best FS in the NFC done anything for the Giants?

 

[football karma]

in the hierarchy of problems -- Kerry Rhodes is really far, far down the list.

I am back to where I was after the SF game: when you cant run the ball, or stop the run -- you are going to be a bad, bad football team.

Its so frustrating: year after year-- different RBs, different QBs, different OL, different coaches -- and the same darn result -- a very pedestrian to bad running game where guys are getting hit in the backfield, no offensive line surge, nothin.

Kurt Warner and two pro bowl receivers were good enough to cover it up for a few years, but no longer.

 

[Mulli]

in the hierarchy of problems -- Kerry Rhodes is really far, far down the list.

I am back to where I was after the SF game: when you cant run the ball, or stop the run -- you are going to be a bad, bad football team.

Its so frustrating: year after year-- different RBs, different QBs, different OL, different coaches -- and the same darn result -- a very pedestrian to bad running game where guys are getting hit in the backfield, no offensive line surge, nothin.

Kurt Warner and two pro bowl receivers were good enough to cover it up for a few years, but no longer.

Yep. This is what I am saying.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

in the hierarchy of problems -- Kerry Rhodes is really far, far down the list.

I am back to where I was after the SF game: when you cant run the ball, or stop the run -- you are going to be a bad, bad football team.

Its so frustrating: year after year-- different RBs, different QBs, different OL, different coaches -- and the same darn result -- a very pedestrian to bad running game where guys are getting hit in the backfield, no offensive line surge, nothin.

Kurt Warner and two pro bowl receivers were good enough to cover it up for a few years, but no longer.

I agree with that.
I think Rhodes is not good at defending the run but is good in pass defense.Wilson,not being able to cover anyone, probably makes it more important to be better in pass coverage. Rolle was better in run defense but worse in pass defense.

 

[Mulli]

I agree with that.
I think Rhodes is not good at defending the run but is good in pass defense.Wilson,not being able to cover anyone, probably makes it more important to be better in pass coverage. Rolle was better in run defense but worse in pass defense.

I agree with that. Who wants a FS in run defense anyway?

 

[Russ Smith]

How does Paris Lenon lead the team in tackles when he can't tackle either? All that shows is Rhodes is good at grabbing the flag out of the runners pants as he is passing by.
I said Rhodes has made some plays, what more do you want? He's not a tackler. I don't rip on him week after week. I think he is vastly overrated by people on this board. All I know is the defense was alot better with Dansby and Rolle than it is with Lenon and Rhodes.

And again that has nothing to do with Rhodes or Rolle and everything to do with the LB and DL play.

Rolle had more tackles than Rhodes does this year once in his career, and that was 16 games Rhodes has only played 14. Rolle may be better in run forcing, he is, but that's not what the Cards were paying him for, they wanted him to be a CB, he failed. They wanted him to be a FS, he was always out of position and failed there too.

It's also of course completely overlooking that part of why this defense looks so bad is the offense is so bad.

It's that you for whatever reason are a huge Rolle fan, which is your right of course, but instead of just rooting for Rolle you keep running down Rhodes which makes no sense to me. He's the last guy on the defense to complain about he's actually done his job this year, he doesn't blow assignments routinely like Rolle did.

If Kerry Rhodes being overrated by this board is bothering you why would you pick Rolle of all people as the guy to hold up as some example, he was MUCH worse than Rhodes here and he can't play the position we were paying him to play, even the Giants have seen that and are playing him like we play Wilson.

I'd rather have Rolle than Wilson right now, but I would much rather have Rhodes than Rolle.