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Russ Smith

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Big whoop, that's what i don't understand. That means he was thought of as a top 3 free safety in the NFC. I would take that from every one of our players. It wasn't the fans who put him up there.

That's because we were a good team last year, not because he was good.

He had less tackles in 15 games than Rhodes has in 14, he had 4 picks and 1 fumble recovery, his first and only as a Card. Rhodes has more passes defended, more tackles, the same number of picks, 3 fumble recoveries(2 for TD's). I think Rhodes even blocked a FG in a recent game.

If this team was winning like it did last year, Rhodes would make the Pro Bowl, he still could.

Week after week I hear the announcers talk about what we lost on defense and they bring up Rolle as if we took a step down when the guy replacing him is a better FS without a doubt.
 

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That's because we were a good team last year, not because he was good.

He had less tackles in 15 games than Rhodes has in 14, he had 4 picks and 1 fumble recovery, his first and only as a Card. Rhodes has more passes defended, more tackles, the same number of picks, 3 fumble recoveries(2 for TD's). I think Rhodes even blocked a FG in a recent game.

If this team was winning like it did last year, Rhodes would make the Pro Bowl, he still could.

Week after week I hear the announcers talk about what we lost on defense and they bring up Rolle as if we took a step down when the guy replacing him is a better FS without a doubt.

I don't know where some of these people get what they're upset about, I think losing Rolle and getting Rhodes was a plus.

I think our Lber's are aging hulks and we have no pass rush, thus our defense sucks eggs.
 

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And again that has nothing to do with Rhodes or Rolle and everything to do with the LB and DL play.

Rolle had more tackles than Rhodes does this year once in his career, and that was 16 games Rhodes has only played 14. Rolle may be better in run forcing, he is, but that's not what the Cards were paying him for, they wanted him to be a CB, he failed. They wanted him to be a FS, he was always out of position and failed there too.

It's also of course completely overlooking that part of why this defense looks so bad is the offense is so bad.

It's that you for whatever reason are a huge Rolle fan, which is your right of course, but instead of just rooting for Rolle you keep running down Rhodes which makes no sense to me. He's the last guy on the defense to complain about he's actually done his job this year, he doesn't blow assignments routinely like Rolle did.

If Kerry Rhodes being overrated by this board is bothering you why would you pick Rolle of all people as the guy to hold up as some example, he was MUCH worse than Rhodes here and he can't play the position we were paying him to play, even the Giants have seen that and are playing him like we play Wilson.

I'd rather have Rolle than Wilson right now, but I would much rather have Rhodes than Rolle.


Spot on.... The mere fact that someone would accuse Rhodes as being a "non-tackler" is laughable. As Free Safety's go, Rhodes is more than an adequate tackler! And on our defense - thank god he's been back there!! I think the Rhodes > Rolle sentiment is just about universal within Cardinal-land. It's so not an issue or a debate. In a season where we have gaping holes all over the place, how someone can pick out Rhodes is simply stunning...
 

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I don't know where some of these people get what they're upset about, I think losing Rolle and getting Rhodes was a plus.

I think our Lber's are aging hulks and we have no pass rush, thus our defense sucks eggs.
Totally. Get out of my head! ;)
 

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Has adding the 3rd best FS in the NFC done anything for the Giants?
Even though I think that we came out better with Rhodes at FS the Giants definitely benefited by replacing CC Brown with Rolle.
 

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Rhodes is one of our better performing players.

When you are complaining about the run support of your FS, it means you have significant problems stopping the run with your front 7. Your FS shouldn't be doing a bunch of RB tackling if you want to be successful.
 

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Spot on.... The mere fact that someone would accuse Rhodes as being a "non-tackler" is laughable. As Free Safety's go, Rhodes is more than an adequate tackler! And on our defense - thank god he's been back there!! I think the Rhodes > Rolle sentiment is just about universal within Cardinal-land. It's so not an issue or a debate. In a season where we have gaping holes all over the place, how someone can pick out Rhodes is simply stunning...
Find one place where i have said Rhodes is the problem on defense. I said he's a terrible tackler and, laugh all you want, he is. I've also said if there was 1 guy i had to choose on defense to be a pro-bowler that it would be Rhodes.
I just don't get all the loathing for Rolle. Now unless, Rolle is just hands down the most popular player in the league, NFL players voted him as Pro bowl worthy. Just because , you or whoever, thinks he wasn't doesn't make it so.I don't know of too may players that suck, can't cover,and are probably just lucky to be in the league that get voted in, even as a pro-bowl alternate. Rolle must be the luckiest guy in the world. Especially when a guy as terrible as him hits the open market and is rewarded with a big contract. He has everyone snowed.Those front office guys in NY don't have clue. They should adopt the Rod Graves model.
I bashed Reggie Wells for years all the while people trying to tell me he was good. I'm not saying Rhodes is even close to being Reggie Wells bad. He's had a good year. I'm not the one who even mentioned Rolle in this thread. I said Rhodes is a weak-ass tackler and he is and there's nothing anyone can say that's going to change my mind about that. Other people brought up Rolle's name in here but the bottom line is the defense was better with Rolle and he was in the pro-bowl. Those are the facts argue all you want against it. I'm done with it.
 

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Find one place where i have said Rhodes is the problem on defense. I said he's a terrible tackler and, laugh all you want, he is. I've also said if there was 1 guy i had to choose on defense to be a pro-bowler that it would be Rhodes.
I just don't get all the loathing for Rolle. Now unless, Rolle is just hands down the most popular player in the league, NFL players voted him as Pro bowl worthy. Just because , you or whoever, thinks he wasn't doesn't make it so.I don't know of too may players that suck, can't cover,and are probably just lucky to be in the league that get voted in, even as a pro-bowl alternate. Rolle must be the luckiest guy in the world. Especially when a guy as terrible as him hits the open market and is rewarded with a big contract. He has everyone snowed.Those front office guys in NY don't have clue. They should adopt the Rod Graves model.
I bashed Reggie Wells for years all the while people trying to tell me he was good. I'm not saying Rhodes is even close to being Reggie Wells bad. He's had a good year. I'm not the one who even mentioned Rolle in this thread. I said Rhodes is a weak-ass tackler and he is and there's nothing anyone can say that's going to change my mind about that. Other people brought up Rolle's name in here but the bottom line is the defense was better with Rolle and he was in the pro-bowl. Those are the facts argue all you want against it. I'm done with it.

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Nice write-up, Mitch. Strongly negative about the coaching staff but, this time, I'm inclined to agree with you.
 

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Very frustrating game to watch, obviously. A game where most of the minuses outweighed the plusses.

Cases in point:

Defense in General:

(-) * Came out of the gates not interested in tackling---save the hustle plays by Daryl Washington.

(-) * Still starting a player at NT who would not play for any other team in the NFL...and is backed up by a rookie 1st rounder who is a far superior talent and performer. Head scratch.

(+) * Despite all this the defense stiffens versus the run in the 3rd quarter...basically stuffing it left and right to keep the team in the game.

(+) * Holds the Panthers to 1 TD in 5 red zone trips.

(-) * Once again...when the team needed the defense to hold late in the game, they folded up their tents like anxious boy scouts headed for the comforts of home. The 10 yard run on third and 9 at the 3:00 mark was horrendous.

Offense in general:

(+) * Save two poor decisions---the int overthrow to a blanketed Stephen Spach and the throwback pass off a scramble that he could have easlily ran for a first down---John Skelton passed the ball fairly well.

(-) * Could not get into any rhythm due to numerous drops on passes that could not have been more accurate (Wells, Doucet, Spach)---which makes one wonder about all three of these players. All three have been major underachievers in the program this year. The eptiome was Spach's drop where he cowered at the thought of getting hit---the truth is, Spach, like Bryan Robinson would not get any major minutes on any other team---and furthermore, the fact that he's the go-to TE in this game proves once again that the Cardinal FO and the coaches cannot consistently pick, evaluate and develop players properly...the irony is that Whiz was a TE, and in his 4 years in AZ, the TE play has been flat-out awful. Whiz gets an F for not developing Ben Patrick...and moreover, from what we've already seen this year, should Spach have been playing the role of pass catching TE over Jim Dray?

(+) * THT runs hard...gets a key first down.

(-) * THT once again fumbles (which makes one wonder---should the Cardinals draft another RB?...seriously...THT and Wells are turnovers or dropped passes/assignments waiting to happen).

(+) * Skelton's best 3 passes: (1) the sideline pass to Fitz---on the money over the CB and inside the S; (2) The sideline pass to Breaston, where he adeptly dragged his toes; (3) the scramble right pass into the seam to Fitz for a nifty third down conversion...on a day where ther numerous 3rds and 4 did not turn out well at all.

(-) * Whiz playing dink and dunk with a strong armed QB...Whiz is lost as an OC---he really is. He never let Skelton establish himself as a threat right from the start...it's Whizzendung Chickendung.

(-) * Skelton reverted to throwing off his back foot in the 4th quarter, especially in the red zone (where he could have been picked off twice) and most especially on the post pass to Breaston down the middle that should have been a huge gain has Skelton stepped into his throw and thrown a dart.

(-) * Once again---the refusal to chip a DE...the epitome today was Jason Wright lining up to the left of Skelton in the shotgun, and on the snap he runs three inches by the Panther DE, and even if he hand punches him off his route the DE would have been no factor. Instead Wright zooms past him and out of the play, per usual.

Special Teams in General:

(+) * Good returns from LSH and Roberts.

(-) * Poor kick and punt coverage---worst of the season.

(-) * Let's see the Cardinals lost a game earlier this season on an on-side kick that Feely wasn't able to kick 10 yards (as he himself ran into the limp, barely bouncing noodle), yet they try the 8 yard wet noodle TWICE more in this game. Unreal.

Players Who Played Well:

11 Fitzgerald
63 Sendlein
92 Williams
93 Campbell
58 Washington
29 Rodgers-Cromartie

Players Who Were No-Shows:

26 Wells
83 Spach
80 Doucet
97 Robinson
55 Porter
53 Haggans
28 Toler
24 Wilson (in a game like this he should have had at least 10 tackles)
25 Rhodes (so should have he---he was shying away all game, like Spach)

It is what it is...

Meanwhile, we have a young up and coming pass rusher in O'Brien Schofield, only...wait a minute...was that Schofield in coverage?

Yup...was't even asked to rush the passer...

This Cardinal coaching staff is one of the absolute worst bunch of talent evaluators and developers---ever.

Take Skelton---how do you look at him and at Max Hall and arrive at the conclusion that Hall's the better player?

Even FOX asked Whiz about Skelton---the player who, thanks to Whiz's media theatrics, had to fight off a newly-signed steet FA for his first start---Whiz says:

"Good Poise...Pocket Presence...Accuracy..."

Yet Whiz had been hiding him under a rock???

Makes absolutely no sense. NONE.

Talent---and much of it---is wasting under this coaching staff.

Since most of the coaching staff would have been picked by Whiz it sounds as though you may think he is not up to the job? If he want fire the DC and insist on calling his own plays maybe he is not the man? I frankly am not smart enough to offer a good opinion. I am smart enough to know that if we draft high enough to get Luck, Newton or our Arkansas QB we should not hesitate. If we can trade up and get Luck I would go for it. We cannot walk away from this draft thinking that Skelton is our QBOTF. We have no idea where Skelton will peak out. He could be great or he could be a backup. You cannot have to many QBs. I also wonder how Skelton was sitting while Hall was playing. There is no comparison in their ability. What on earth was Whiz and his coaches thinking. They in effect bad mouthed him making me think he was on the dumb side. I suggest we will lose out the season and could end up with pick #3 which might allow us to trade up. I know this is a longshot with the Bidwill family and money issues. Luck could easily pull a Manning on us and refuse to play for us as we do not go into this 2011 season with great credentials. This is if he as good as advertised. It will be most interesting to see who the NFL rates as the best QB after the tryout camps or one of the other QBs may look better than Luck to the pros.

We knew or should have known that Whiz was going to call all his own plays and be his own OC when we hired him. Is that a reason to not hire a particular HC? I wonder how many really successful head coaches call their own plays? I cannot help but think that a guy sitting high up in a box has a much better view of how the offense and defense are operating than a coach standing on the sidelines and may be more equipped to make the calls. The HC can always override his call.

As always I cannot leave this board without saying Rod Graves should be at the top of the list of guys to be replaced. Seems he has a lifetime job. We need a smart innovative man as the GM. I would guess a man like that would not fit in the Bidwill organization. At the end of the season Graves or Mr. Bidwill is almost forced to fire someone after such a season if only to save face and criticism. Who? They do not like to pay two head coaches at the same time or anyone else for that matter. Denver is paying for three head coaches at the same time.
 

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Since most of the coaching staff would have been picked by Whiz it sounds as though you may think he is not up to the job? If he want fire the DC and insist on calling his own plays maybe he is not the man? I frankly am not smart enough to offer a good opinion. I am smart enough to know that if we draft high enough to get Luck, Newton or our Arkansas QB we should not hesitate. If we can trade up and get Luck I would go for it. We cannot walk away from this draft thinking that Skelton is our QBOTF. We have no idea where Skelton will peak out. He could be great or he could be a backup. You cannot have to many QBs. I also wonder how Skelton was sitting while Hall was playing. There is no comparison in their ability. What on earth was Whiz and his coaches thinking. They in effect bad mouthed him making me think he was on the dumb side. I suggest we will lose out the season and could end up with pick #3 which might allow us to trade up. I know this is a longshot with the Bidwill family and money issues. Luck could easily pull a Manning on us and refuse to play for us as we do not go into this 2011 season with great credentials. This is if he as good as advertised. It will be most interesting to see who the NFL rates as the best QB after the tryout camps or one of the other QBs may look better than Luck to the pros.

We knew or should have known that Whiz was going to call all his own plays and be his own OC when we hired him. Is that a reason to not hire a particular HC? I wonder how many really successful head coaches call their own plays? I cannot help but think that a guy sitting high up in a box has a much better view of how the offense and defense are operating than a coach standing on the sidelines and may be more equipped to make the calls. The HC can always override his call.

As always I cannot leave this board without saying Rod Graves should be at the top of the list of guys to be replaced. Seems he has a lifetime job. We need a smart innovative man as the GM. I would guess a man like that would not fit in the Bidwill organization. At the end of the season Graves or Mr. Bidwill is almost forced to fire someone after such a season if only to save face and criticism. Who? They do not like to pay two head coaches at the same time or anyone else for that matter. Denver is paying for three head coaches at the same time.

John I certainly agree with you that we need to use our top pick on a qb even if it is a reach. You and I both know the draft is a crap shoot but we can't put all our eggs in the Skelton basket.
About Rod Graves, he should have been fired when Denny Green was let go instead he was promoted. Go figure that out.
 

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