Week 6 Heroes and Goats

[kerouac9]

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It's mystifying that we can't get a pass rush. There is no creativity in our pressure packages.

 

[PDXChris]

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It's mystifying that we can't get a pass rush. There is no creativity in our pressure packages.

Spot on!

 

[MadCardDisease]

couldn't agree more! Nicely done K9

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Good write up

But Floyd is not a hero to me. He had 2 chances to change the game and was unable to get both feet in on one and couldn't hold the ball on the other. He had a good game, but for sure could have been better. Other WR's make those catches. I watched the SD game and the WR's were making sideline catches with both feet in and making the hard catches even with tight coverage. Just an example of many WR's making plays when needed this weekend.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Quibble with Floyd being hero when he should've tow-tapped that TD good. But agree with everything else.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Good write up

But Floyd is not a hero to me. He had 2 chances to change the game and was unable to get both feet in on one and couldn't hold the ball on the other. He had a good game, but for sure could have been better. Other WR's make those catches. I watched the SD game and the WR's were making sideline catches with both feet in and making the hard catches even with tight coverage. Just an example of many WR's making plays when needed this weekend.

I'm still trying to figure out how he just flat dropped the TD on PI call. That ball still hit him perfectly, after he was out of the CB grasp and he blew it. Great players make that play (see Larry's TD against Chicago earlier this year when he was tackled... with no call... and still caught the ball).

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Good write up, I would have Floyd on both the Hero and Goat list - he missed TWO TD passes. At least one of those should have been brought down inbounds.

Bettcher is scaring me, he is the anti-Pendergast. Good at basic scheme, amazingly solid at play calling, but incredibly bland (borderline inept) at drawing up something creative to get the advantage when needed.

 

[iLLmatiC]

I'd also like to mention two other pass plays by Carson that could've been TD's which were missed opportunities. The first one was to Ellington in the 1st quarter I believe when Ellington was wide open and Palmer threw it short. The second pass play was to John Brown when Brown beat his man faking like he was going to run a skinny route and then broke it to a flag route. John Brown's defender fell down and Palmer threw a duck to Brown.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd also like to mention two other pass plays by Carson that could've been TD's which were missed opportunities. The first one was to Ellington in the 1st quarter I believe when Ellington was wide open and Palmer threw it short. The second pass play was to John Brown when Brown beat his man faking like he was going to run a skinny route and then broke it to a flag route. John Brown's defender fell down and Palmer threw a duck to Brown.

yup. he makes that easy pass to Brown and the Offensive PI doesn't matter, neither does the no-call PI. All of those plays were on the same drive.

 

[DeAnna]

I liked the photo best

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Quibble with Floyd being hero when he should've tow-tapped that TD good. But agree with everything else.

Good to see you posting.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Good write up.

Our DC has proven to be a HUGE drop off, he is really struggling, and I think it is because he is not confident to take a chance in and take the heat if it all goes wrong.

The NYJ have been showing what we all watched last year, BTW. Bowles is a hell of a coach.

I always laugh about how upset I was that Bowles was brought here and Ray Horton was let go.

Shows how much I know. LOL

 

[kerouac9]

I'll admit that I'm a Michael Floyd apologist. I think that tapping those toes down on that play is pretty difficult. Yes, top NFL WRs made that play — Fitz, Bryant, etc. — but Michael Floyd isn't a top NFL WRs. He's a perfectly adequate starting WR.

Fun fact: Michael Floyd is only 4 months older than John Brown.

 

[TJ]

Wonder when Powers is going to get goat status.

 

[schutd]

I'll admit that I'm a Michael Floyd apologist. I think that tapping those toes down on that play is pretty difficult. Yes, top NFL WRs made that play — Fitz, Bryant, etc. — but Michael Floyd isn't a top NFL WRs. He's a perfectly adequate starting WR.

Fun fact: Michael Floyd is only 4 months older than John Brown.

I dont think he should have been able to get the toe down on that pass either. I blame that on Palmer putting the ball in a spot that made it un-catchable.

 

[PDXChris]

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[Russ Smith]

I would have Floyd on both lists too.

I would add only one of the INT's was a long pass to Brown, the other was to the TE(Gresham I think) that got interfered with the ball popped up and got picked. Bad decision by Palmer, no call by ref, great catch by Timmons.

Palmer is getting greedy too often taking the big shot when there are other options, and he still tends to throw into coverage instead of just throw it away.

The miss to Brown in the endzone was huge but Floyd had a catchable ball and didn't drag the foot. Cris Carter mentioned it this morning he said you see guys in college dragging feet now when they only have to have 1 foot in, he is always surprised when an NFL Wr misses such a fundamental thing especially how much NFL Wr's work on things like that. It's Floyd being Floyd, he make the spectacular plays and blows the fundamental things.

The no PI call was huge but again the ball hit him in the hands.

 

[Garthshort]

I think we have to keep Floyd, going forward. But I never have a good feeling when he is targeted, always expecting something bad to happen. I would prefer Larry to be targeted more, when the game is on the line. If we're winning or losing big, target Michael as often as BA wants. As far as I'm concerned we could have had two more TD's, yesterday, if Larry and not Michael were involved.
1. Larry would have got his toe in, though CP might be the goat for not releasing the ball sooner.
2. Larry would have gotten away with offensive PI, because he's Larry.

 

[NJCardFan]

Palmer locked in on two attempts downfield to John Brown in double coverage, and they were both intercepted.

Not to nitpick but the first INT was to Gresham where he was interfered with(no call), the ball was tipped, and Timmons made a hell of a play on.

 

[splitsecond]

Did Bettcher even TRY to blitz?

 

[kerouac9]

Not to nitpick but the first INT was to Gresham where he was interfered with(no call), the ball was tipped, and Timmons made a hell of a play on.

You're right. One of them was an INT late; I think there was another "shot" play at the start of the second that was just broken up:

2 14:18 3 5 PIT 48 Carson Palmer pass incomplete deep middle intended for John Brown (defended by Antwon Blake)

Pro-Football-Reference already has snap counts:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201510180pit.htm

Ellington was only on for one more play than Troy Niklas. Sean Weatherspoon came on the field for 1 play. Markus Golden lead the OLB corps in snaps.

 

[Russ Smith]

You're right. One of them was an INT late; I think there was another "shot" play at the start of the second that was just broken up:

2 14:18 3 5 PIT 48 Carson Palmer pass incomplete deep middle intended for John Brown (defended by Antwon Blake)

Pro-Football-Reference already has snap counts:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201510180pit.htm

Ellington was only on for one more play than Troy Niklas. Sean Weatherspoon came on the field for 1 play. Markus Golden lead the OLB corps in snaps.

There was one in the first half too where he forced it deep to Brown who nearly caught it in double coverage.

Niklas not only made a catch, he did so while being completely interfered with the guy was draped all over him. The look on his face was funny, I don't know if he was thinking "hey I caught one" or "how is that not PI?"

I continue to NOT be impressed with him but he had 2 plays in that game that were huh. The no PI call, and the hands to the face penalty on Leach on the punt where literally right next to him a Steeler had grabbed the facemask of Niklas. Apparently he's not just made of glass, he's invisible.

 

[BIGRED1959]

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It's mystifying that we can't get a pass rush. There is no creativity in our pressure packages.

BTW you may want to find another "badass" as your avatar, arguably he could be on your goat list as well with that dumb penalty that could have had the cardinals on the 15 yard line.

I have to take issue with your goats....I feel you are way too hard on arians when it comes to his team being disciplined. I sure hope you arent blaming him for the off the field troubles of dwyer, DW, and massie that would be insane. These players are grown men who make a lot of money to play football, he treats them like that and coaches like that. We do not need a coach that brands his players on the ass and yells at them for next to nothing all the time. This team is very talented, but there will be some hicups.

The palmer goat is eh. John brown had already hauled those passes in and was cloing in on 200 yards. He also draws alot of P.I. calls. The steelers made the play, they won the game.

carson needs to ******** these next two games and lets also hope the team gets into the bye week healthy.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Defensive holding everywhere

Except in Pittsburgh

Ain't that the truth. It's almost laughable.

 

[CHAPTER 7]

Did Bettcher even TRY to blitz?

I believe he does. I am not Betcher fan so I maybe biased. I feel everytime he go for blitz, we get beaten. It's almost like opposing team knows we are coming.