Welcome Josh Dobbs. Arizona trades a 5th round pick for Joshua Dobbs and a 7th round pick

[Krangodnzr]

I think a 5th round pick is not a meaningless asset to be thrown away. That is Keim level stuff. You are lauding Monti for getting rid of two players who had no part in this rebuild, and then are ok with him wasting resources on a player who also does not have a part in a rebuild. Pick a side dude.

To even be able to evaluate the receivers on the roster, you have to QB play that at least approaches competence. Trading for Dobbs is a clear message on the team's view of their QBs.

 

[Harry]

Chopper, you're probably correct, but I feel that Monti has a reason for making the deal. I wasn't very happy when we signed Froholdt, and Collier but now I am, so I'm giving him the benefit of a doubt. There might be posters on this Board who know more about FB than Monti, but I'm not one of them.

Too early to be sure about Froholdt.

 

[PJ1]

When the Collins pick was made, most were dumbfounded by it (as I recall) and expected him to be a bust. Simmons on the other hand was pretty widely viewed as a great pick and his lack of consistent production was a jolt to the system.

True. I recall some publications ranking him as the top pick overall. Plenty of buzz about this guy.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

They already have Blough who can lose plenty of games

Maybe they don't think Blough is smart enough to lose, while making everyone else think he's trying to win. It takes a rocket scientist to pull that off.

 

[Harry]

Just a guess but maybe they told McCoy, Tune was going to start. McCoy may have indicated he wasn’t on board with that plan. I don’t like giving up a pick for someone when a released player would soon be available, but I guess Dobbs is a fit for the planned offense with better running ability than McCoy.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Just a guess but maybe they told McCoy, Tune was going to start. McCoy may have indicated he wasn’t on board with that plan. I don’t like giving up a pick for someone when a released player would soon be available, but I guess Dobbs is a fit for the planned offense with better running ability than McCoy.

Technically they swapped a late 5th for an early/mid 7th.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Just a guess but maybe they told McCoy, Tune was going to start. McCoy may have indicated he wasn’t on board with that plan. I don’t like giving up a pick for someone when a released player would soon be available, but I guess Dobbs is a fit for the planned offense with better running ability than McCoy.

I definitely think McCoy has been told he needs to show something to stay on the roster.

 

[QuebecCard]

Just a guess but maybe they told McCoy, Tune was going to start. McCoy may have indicated he wasn’t on board with that plan. I don’t like giving up a pick for someone when a released player would soon be available, but I guess Dobbs is a fit for the planned offense with better running ability than McCoy.

And maybe they've decided that McCoy is essentially done; that throwing Tune to the wolves is not a great plan, and in Dobbs, they at least have someone familiar with what Petzing is looking for and can be up to speed quickly.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think a 5th round pick is not a meaningless asset to be thrown away.

A pick with a hit rate of less than 15% is not a meaningful asset when it is parlayed to acquire a player who can actually make an NFL roster.

This is a silly assertion here.

That is Keim level stuff. You are lauding Monti for getting rid of two players who had no part in this rebuild, and then are ok with him wasting resources on a player who also does not have a part in a rebuild. Pick a side dude.

Lauding? Where have I "lauded" these moves. I have said it's good to get assets for players that you aren't keeping. That's not "lauding".

What we don't know is how the team is going to construct the roster. Maybe letting go of Jones means they keep Big Mo?

 

[Krangodnzr]

And maybe they've decided that McCoy is essentially done; that throwing Tune to the wolves is not a great plan, and in Dobbs, they at least have someone familiar with what Petzing is looking for and can be up to speed quickly.

I think if you were to have a dinner with Monti and get him to drink a few Old Fashions, he'd probably tell you that they aren't tanking, but they are trying to evaluate the roster this year and really reload next year.

You can't evaluate the receivers and the rest of the offense with a not ready Tune or an overwhelmed David Blough.

 

[kerouac9]

When the Collins pick was made, most were dumbfounded by it (as I recall) and expected him to be a bust. Simmons on the other hand was pretty widely viewed as a great pick and his lack of consistent production was a jolt to the system.

So far I'd say that Collins and Simmons have been of equivalent quality in different ways. Simmons was drafted significantly higher, so that mostly explains the difference in expectations and disappointment.

Too early to be sure about Froholdt.

It's baffling that people are taking victory laps on Froholdt already.

I definitely think McCoy has been told he needs to show something to stay on the roster.

Only $1.5 million of Colt's $3.75 million salary is non-guaranteed. If this front office wants to continue to squander Michael Bidwill's resources by releasing Colt McCoy, they're welcome to it.

Remember, part of the reason that the Cards signed Colt in the first place was to show Kyler how to be a pro. If they want to remove another support from Kyler, that tells you something.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

They already have Blough who can lose plenty of games

Dobbs is not significantly better than Blough! Just a criminal mismangement of assets.

 

[MadCardDisease]

So far I'd say that Collins and Simmons have been of equivalent quality in different ways. Simmons was drafted significantly higher, so that mostly explains the difference in expectations and disappointment.

If you look at the quality guys drafted after Simmons:

Wirfs
CeeDee Lamb
Justin Jefferson
etc

Then compare it to quality guys who were drafted after Collins:

Najee Harris (not that I would like to take a RB in the first)



You can see how much worse the Simmons pick was.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

So far I'd say that Collins and Simmons have been of equivalent quality in different ways. Simmons was drafted significantly higher, so that mostly explains the difference in expectations and disappointment.



It's baffling that people are taking victory laps on Froholdt already.


Only $1.5 million of Colt's $3.75 million salary is non-guaranteed. If this front office wants to continue to squander Michael Bidwill's resources by releasing Colt McCoy, they're welcome to it.

Remember, part of the reason that the Cards signed Colt in the first place was to show Kyler how to be a pro. If they want to remove another support from Kyler, that tells you something.

I agree on Colt and have mentioned in previous posts...Kyler trusts him and they have a good bond. If they don't think Colt can play, then maybe they figure out an IR angle to keep him around this season.

 

[kerouac9]

If you look at the quality guys drafted after Simmons:

Wirfs
CeeDee Lamb
Justin Jefferson
etc

Then compare it to quality guys who were drafted after Collins:

Najee Harris (not that I would like to take a RB in the first)



You can see how much worse the Simmons pick was.

I don't see how that's relevant. I guess it feels worse, but this was the COVID draft where basically everything shut down immediately following the Combine. Neither of the guys you mention were the next players selected at their positions. Wirfs was chosen five spots later, Lamb nine spots later. Jefferson was the fifth WR off the board in that draft.

At the time we had Christian Kirk, had just traded for DeAndre Hopkins, and had three wideouts entering their second year. It would have seemed deranged to continue drafting wideouts.

 

[Garthshort]

Too early to be sure about Froholdt.

Can't be sure, but he doesn't look like a turnstile.

 

[QuebecCard]

Dobbs is not significantly better than Blough! Just a criminal mismangement of assets.

Yeah, get that Monti guy in cuffs, and get a mugshot, not now but right now.

P.S. Define significantly, and why given your definition you prefer Blough?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Browns trading QB Joshua Dobbs, 2024 seventh-round pick to Cardinals for 2024 fifth-rounder

The Cleveland Browns are trading quarterback Joshua Dobbs to the Arizona Cardinals, NFL Network Insider Tom Pelissero reported Thursday. Arizona, which will receive a 2024 seventh-round pick in addition to Dobbs, will send a 2024 fifth-round pick to Cleve

www.nfl.com

Joshua Dobbs spent less than 12 hours as the Browns' official No. 2 quarterback for 2023.
Cleveland is trading Dobbs and a seventh-round pick to the Arizona Cardinals in exchange for a fifth-round pick, NFL Network Insider Tom Pelissero reported.

Thursday began in Cleveland with the Browns announcing they were waiving quarterback Kellen Mond. Browns coach Kevin Stefanski told reporters later Thursday that Dobbs was officially the team's backup quarterback behind Deshaun Watson, meaning only preseason standout Dorian Thompson-Robinson remained as a possible third-string option at the position.

That changed before the end of the work day when Cleveland made another move by sending Dobbs to Arizona.
The deal also had a ripple effect that extended to Mond, who wasn't officially waived on Thursday, per the league's official transaction wire. NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Cleveland did not submit the move Wednesday after trading Dobbs, and plans to keep the former Texas A&M passer on the roster through the conclusion of the preseason.

 

[Garthshort]

Sure it has. Our offensive line depth just took a hit, and we got rid of a flawed player that nonetheless has explosive playmaking ability. Nobody on the bottom of the roster will be as good as that. We haven't become substantially worse, but we are now a worse team, most certainly.

Keep in mind this opinion is coming from someone who has NOT seen this team play this PS.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

P.S. Define significantly, and why given your definition you prefer Blough?

Both are career backups that don't move the needle in any way. Paying actual assets for either is incredibly stupid. Blough doesn't cost a 5th round pick!

I've been told that by getting rid of whatever talent we had, we'll be in a better position moving forward. Now we're giving up picks to be minimally more competitive in a season when we're tanking?

 

[Garthshort]

Both are career backups that don't move the needle in any way. Paying actual assets for either is incredibly stupid. Blough doesn't cost a 5th round pick!

I've been told that by getting rid of whatever talent we had, we'll be in a better position moving forward. Now we're giving up picks to be minimally more competitive in a season when we're tanking?

And it's not fair to all the posters that say we're tanking.

 

[Dayman]

I've been told that by getting rid of whatever talent we had, we'll be in a better position moving forward. Now we're giving up picks to be minimally more competitive in a season when we're tanking?

It's about as sensible as giving a 39-year-old kicker nearly $4 million per during a tank season. These moves only make sense if you really want them to.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

It's about as sensible as giving a 39-year-old kicker nearly $4 million per during a tank season. These moves only make sense if you really want them to.

Forgot about that one...just completely indefensible.

 

[cardpa]

May I suggest some other possible players exiting via trade:
Zach Ertz
Rondale Moore
Victor Dimukege
I can see the front office moving these guys in the next few days.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

It's about as sensible as giving a 39-year-old kicker nearly $4 million per during a tank season. These moves only make sense if you really want them to.

Still scratching my head over this signing

Way to much money to spend on a kicker in a season that we're not expecting to win many games

Bring in a bunch of young legs and see if we can find a gem in the rough