Welcome Josh Dobbs. Arizona trades a 5th round pick for Joshua Dobbs and a 7th round pick

[BritCard]

A guy who gets a sack every fourth game, but gives up three to four big pass receptions every game is a guy you want to move on from.

Ben Fennel posted a picture of Simmons blitzing for a sack vs the Chargers when in the same game Simmons gave up multiple big plays including the 2 point conversion to a TE he was covering.

Anyone could get the Blitz sack. He was a complete liability down to down. Team was worse with him on the field.

 

[Garthshort]

I think we have a very good idea that he will be at least decent/average. Based on pre-season & the coaches. As far as someone crowing about victory, are they saying he's going to be top 10 at center or are they saying he's better than expected? Huge difference.

Depends on the point someone wants to make. In fairness to Froholdt, I would say that early returns are positive, but we really won't know until the RS starts. And, yes I know that fairness is a bad word.

 

[BritCard]

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Simmons had 5 missed tackles last season and actually improved quite a lot in that area.

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Collins, however, did not improve, but once again, he is taking a fraction of the heat that Simmons is taking.

He missed less tackles because they put him in positions he's less likely to tackle.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Dobbs is a replacement level QB who has played for like 5 teams in 2 years. He is only under contract for one year. We weren't willing to sign him earlier in the year because of 2 mil. He has zero upside.

Conditions have changed. I find it funny that some of you think that during free agency the Cardinals knew everything that they know now. Or at least, from reading your posts, you guys come off that way.

A 5th round pick has at least the potential to be more. Keontay Ingram looks to be our #2 at a reasonable, multiyear contract. He was a 6th. Clark might be a 3rd CB on our roster, also on a multi year deal. Those players have more value than Dobbs.

Maybe, but those are the exceptions not the norm. And its really common place to throw late round picks at players on short term deals. Happens every year when teams are looking at filling critical holes on their roster.

Look, until we know the full reasoning, we are really just speculating on why the Cardinals made this move. It could be a dumb move, or a necessary move. We have to see what happens next. I'm speculating that they are really concerned that McCoy might be completely done.

 

[slanidrac16]

Sure it has. Our offensive line depth just took a hit, and we got rid of a flawed player that nonetheless has explosive playmaking ability. Nobody on the bottom of the roster will be as good as that. We haven't become substantially worse, but we are now a worse team, most certainly.

I’m going to disagree. We are not a better team today, but we’re not much worse. We won 4 games last year…FOUR. How much worse can we be.

There are no guarantees this regime is going to succeed but they are working a plan. They are purging this roster of players that won’t or weren’t going to be here next year. How many were purged based on scheme, culture and attitude.

It would be different if we were coming off an 8 or 9 win season where we could have felt adding a few pieces could have made us a true contender.

Here’s another thought. Getting Dobbs, ( a guy they know), could be a subliminal message that we will not and perhaps ever see Murray in a Cardinal uniform. They say it takes about a year to get back to good. Let’s not count from the day he got injured to the day he actually had surgery in January.

Stout, I just hit 70. The thought of this total rebuild does not make me happy. However, to waddle in mediocrity trying to be a little better doesn’t excite me either.

This thing should have been blown up when Arian retired. Instead the big buffoon thought he was the smartest guy in the NFL. So this is where we are today. I will give this regime a total mulligan for 2023 with the hope they know what they’re doing. I’m not going to worry about whether we could have/ should have gotten more in a trade or signed this player or that player.

The 2022 roster was so deplorable that no matter what roster moves we made this year we were probably looking at 5-6 wins at best. Next year we are going to add a bunch of talent through the draft AND free agency. Let’s just hope MO’s plan comes to fruition.

 

[Krangodnzr]

So you are agnostic but then proceed to be critical of those who don't like the move over multiple posts.

I'd be critical of overly praising the moves as well.

Most of the board has a wait and see approach, while others are going bananas over no starters being moved for marginal draft capital.

The whole "I don't care and you shouldn't care either" angle is interesting coming from the person who decided to push back on the "Damien Williams and Marlon Mack are meh players" take that I had.

I actually tend to really push back against extremes.

 

[Stout]

I think we have a very good idea that he will be at least decent/average. Based on pre-season & the coaches. As far as someone crowing about victory, are they saying he's going to be top 10 at center or are they saying he's better than expected? Huge difference.

Either way, it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early. And I don't think we have a very good idea of that at all. We can hope, but that's pretty much the sum total of what we have.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I’m going to disagree. We are not a better team today, but we’re not much worse. We won 4 games last year…FOUR. How much worse can we be.

The fact that we continue to bemoan the "loss of talent" from a 4 win team is hilarious. Did they choose to move on from some talent? Yup Did they have reasons to do so? Yup Is it going to impact the 2023 win/loss record? Probably not.

As some would say...4 wins with them...4 wins without them.

 

[kerouac9]

The fact that we continue to bemoan the "loss of talent" from a 4 win team is hilarious. Did they choose to move on from some talent? Yup Did they have reasons to do so? Yup Is it going to impact the 2023 win/loss record? Probably not.

As some would say...4 wins with them...4 wins without them.

Maybe we can just win four games forever. You can keep digging a talent hole. There are actually four fewer games to win.

Also, did anyone have fun last season? How in the world are people expecting to have fun this season, when expectations are somehow lower?

The Arizona Cardinals are an entertainment product.

 

[BritCard]

I've said here a 5th (with a 7th back) seems high to me. Although I appreciate Dobbs has familiarity with the playbook and verbiage which makes him more attractive.

However, any 28 year old QB that wins a backup role has some trade value. So it's really splitting hairs over if that's a 5th, 6th or 7th.

Certainly not to the point where it requires 10 pages of vicious hand wringing.

Those using it to attack the Org are the usual people that attack the Org. Which suggests it's just a convenient excuse to get a few more punches in and not so much about the pick or player.

A backup level QB with scheme familiarity cost us the same as our OT4. Big whoop.

Seems like a reasonable swap. In fact, had we traded Jones for Dobbs I doubt the board would bat an eye.

 

[cardncubfan]

Either way, it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early. And I don't think we have a very good idea of that at all. We can hope, but that's pretty much the sum total of what we have.

Fair enough

 

[Totally_Red]

I've said here a 5th (with a 7th back) seems high to me. Although I appreciate Dobbs has familiarity with the playbook and verbiage which makes him more attractive.

However, any 28 year old QB that wins a backup role has some trade value. So it's really splitting hairs over if that's a 5th, 6th or 7th.

Certainly not to the point where it requires 10 pages of vicious hand wringing.

Those using it to attack the Org are the usual people that attack the Org. Which suggests it's just a convenient excuse to get a few more punches in and not so much about the pick or player.

A backup level QB with scheme familiarity cost us the same as our OT4. Big whoop.

Seems like a reasonable swap. In fact, had we traded Jones for Dobbs I doubt the board would bat an eye.

I am usually supportive or neutral. But they bungled this one by not signing him in FA which necessitated the trade. At least he beat out Kellen Mond.

 

[Chopper0080]

The fact that we continue to bemoan the "loss of talent" from a 4 win team is hilarious. Did they choose to move on from some talent? Yup Did they have reasons to do so? Yup Is it going to impact the 2023 win/loss record? Probably not.

As some would say...4 wins with them...4 wins without them.

4 wins forever.

Once again, the greatest trick the Cardinals ever pulled was convincing their fans that winning doesn't exist.

 

[CardNots]

I’m going to disagree. We are not a better team today, but we’re not much worse. We won 4 games last year…FOUR. How much worse can we be.

There are no guarantees this regime is going to succeed but they are working a plan. They are purging this roster of players that won’t or weren’t going to be here next year. How many were purged based on scheme, culture and attitude.

It would be different if we were coming off an 8 or 9 win season where we could have felt adding a few pieces could have made us a true contender.

Here’s another thought. Getting Dobbs, ( a guy they know), could be a subliminal message that we will not and perhaps ever see Murray in a Cardinal uniform. They say it takes about a year to get back to good. Let’s not count from the day he got injured to the day he actually had surgery in January.

Stout, I just hit 70. The thought of this total rebuild does not make me happy. However, to waddle in mediocrity trying to be a little better doesn’t excite me either.

This thing should have been blown up when Arian retired. Instead the big buffoon thought he was the smartest guy in the NFL. So this is where we are today. I will give this regime a total mulligan for 2023 with the hope they know what they’re doing. I’m not going to worry about whether we could have/ should have gotten more in a trade or signed this player or that player.

The 2022 roster was so deplorable that no matter what roster moves we made this year we were probably looking at 5-6 wins at best. Next year we are going to add a bunch of talent through the draft AND free agency. Let’s just hope MO’s plan comes to fruition.

Outstanding post especially for those who have passed age 65!

It’s time to get the regular season started!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Cardinals surprised Browns with out-of-the-blue trade offer for Josh Dobbs

Trade reunites Dobbs with Cardinals offensive coordinator Drew Petzing.

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[RON_IN_OC]

Cardinals surprised Browns with out-of-the-blue trade offer for Josh Dobbs

Trade reunites Dobbs with Cardinals offensive coordinator Drew Petzing.

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[RON_IN_OC]

Also, Colt has a bad wing still? Makes sense with his short, soft passes.

 

[Garthshort]

Either way, it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early. And I don't think we have a very good idea of that at all. We can hope, but that's pretty much the sum total of what we have.

Well after TC and PS games, I HOPE the coaches have a very good idea. And if they don't they can ask all the coaches/GM's who post here, because they seem to know.

 

[QuebecCard]

Both are career backups that don't move the needle in any way. Paying actual assets for either is incredibly stupid. Blough doesn't cost a 5th round pick!

I've been told that by getting rid of whatever talent we had, we'll be in a better position moving forward. Now we're giving up picks to be minimally more competitive in a season when we're tanking?

I've seen enough of Dobbs to suggest that our receiving corps will prefer him throwing passes over Blough.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I've said here a 5th (with a 7th back) seems high to me. Although I appreciate Dobbs has familiarity with the playbook and verbiage which makes him more attractive.

However, any 28 year old QB that wins a backup role has some trade value. So it's really splitting hairs over if that's a 5th, 6th or 7th.

Certainly not to the point where it requires 10 pages of vicious hand wringing.

Those using it to attack the Org are the usual people that attack the Org. Which suggests it's just a convenient excuse to get a few more punches in and not so much about the pick or player.

A backup level QB with scheme familiarity cost us the same as our OT4. Big whoop.

Seems like a reasonable swap. In fact, had we traded Jones for Dobbs I doubt the board would bat an eye.

Yep all of this. The usual crowd that only starts liking the team after a 6 game win streak. Sorry if this pisses any off, but that's how I feel.

There are so many bigger more pressing areas of concern than this. Murray isn't back yet and there is no timetable. This team is going to be depressing because we are going to watch some blowouts and lots of close losses this year. And NOT one of those losses will be the results of these trades.

 

[bankybruce]

Trey Lance just traded for a 4th round pick to the Cowboys.

 

[cardsfanmd]

My guess is either McCoy is already hurt or the team knows he won’t last long and they know Tune isn’t ready. Opening Day Depth Chart
1) McCoy
2) Dobbs
3) Tune

 

[HairZach]

Ben Fennel posted a picture of Simmons blitzing for a sack vs the Chargers when in the same game Simmons gave up multiple big plays including the 2 point conversion to a TE he was covering.

Anyone could get the Blitz sack. He was a complete liability down to down. Team was worse with him on the field.

I agree with the rest of your post, but I will say that Simmons straight line speed made him seem a lot more effective when he was schemed open on blitzes. QB's had no chance of getting rid of the ball.

But there's more to being an NFL caliber player than being able run fast and hit hard. Maybe Wink uses him in 0-6-5 third down packages that Vance liked to pull out. Simmons was pretty effective in those.

 

[ajcardfan]

It appears that Colt isn't able to throw the ball like he should.

Dobbs knows Drews offense and can fit right in is my guess.

Colt has a noodle arm? I mean.... Who knew?

Oh yeah... EVERYBODY for years knew that. This move should have been done months ago.

 

[ajcardfan]

I’m going to disagree. We are not a better team today, but we’re not much worse. We won 4 games last year…FOUR. How much worse can we be.

Hoo boy. What a question to ask. I think we will find out it can get much worse. But, that seems to be the plan.