Welcome Josh Dobbs. Arizona trades a 5th round pick for Joshua Dobbs and a 7th round pick

[BullheadCardFan]

May I suggest some other possible players exiting via trade:
Zach Ertz
Rondale Moore
Victor Dimukege
I can see the front office moving these guys in the next few days.

Oh boy!

More 7th round picks

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Bring in a bunch of young legs and see if we can find a gem in the rough

Should be the strategy all around, right? How do people think we're going to get all of these good young players in the next 2 years?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Should be the strategy all around, right? How do people think we're going to get all of these good young players in the next 2 years?

I'm taking about kickers and there are many that go undrafted or are looking for jobs

This would have been a big cost savings

We could always sign a FA kicker in the years ahead depending on if/when the team improves and it would make a difference

 

[cardncubfan]

So far I'd say that Collins and Simmons have been of equivalent quality in different ways. Simmons was drafted significantly higher, so that mostly explains the difference in expectations and disappointment.



It's baffling that people are taking victory laps on Froholdt already.


Only $1.5 million of Colt's $3.75 million salary is non-guaranteed. If this front office wants to continue to squander Michael Bidwill's resources by releasing Colt McCoy, they're welcome to it.

Remember, part of the reason that the Cards signed Colt in the first place was to show Kyler how to be a pro. If they want to remove another support from Kyler, that tells you something.

I don't think anyone is taking victory laps. They are just saying he isn't the bum that some thought he was.

 

[Stout]

I don't think anyone is taking victory laps. They are just saying he isn't the bum that some thought he was.

Which we don't know yet. And someone earlier today was crowing about victory on him because of all the positive ASFN posts on him in the preseason lol

 

[Chopper0080]

To even be able to evaluate the receivers on the roster, you have to QB play that at least approaches competence. Trading for Dobbs is a clear message on the team's view of their QBs.

The idea there is a 5th round pick difference in terms of competence between Tune, McCoy, Blough and Dobbs is a bad view. Especially since these were the same people who chose McCoy, Tune and Blough.

 

[cardncubfan]

Which we don't know yet. And someone earlier today was crowing about victory on him because of all the positive ASFN posts on him in the preseason lol

I think we have a very good idea that he will be at least decent/average. Based on pre-season & the coaches. As far as someone crowing about victory, are they saying he's going to be top 10 at center or are they saying he's better than expected? Huge difference.

 

[kerouac9]

May I suggest some other possible players exiting via trade:
Zach Ertz
Rondale Moore
Victor Dimukege
I can see the front office moving these guys in the next few days.

Ertz carries a nearly $8 million base salary. Maybe we re-do his contract and take on additional money to make the trade work, but then why?

Agree on Moore. I think Antonio Hamilton could be there, also. Be interesting to see who gets featured on Saturday. Myjai Sanders would be a natural name for the trading block, also. Trey McBride and Rashard Lawrence are other prime candidates.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Ertz carries a nearly $8 million base salary. Maybe we re-do his contract and take on additional money to make the trade work, but then why?

Agree on Moore. I think Antonio Hamilton could be there, also. Be interesting to see who gets featured on Saturday. Myjai Sanders would be a natural name for the trading block, also. Trey McBride and Rashard Lawrence are other prime candidates.

Why McBride? I can see some of the others mentioned, but why Trey?

 

[football karma]

Ertz carries a nearly $8 million base salary. Maybe we re-do his contract and take on additional money to make the trade work, but then why?

Agree on Moore. I think Antonio Hamilton could be there, also. Be interesting to see who gets featured on Saturday. Myjai Sanders would be a natural name for the trading block, also. Trey McBride and Rashard Lawrence are other prime candidates.

i think Ertz does around the trade deadline -- the $ go down for a partial season and some contender will be looking

Moore is tougher -- maybe some team who was high on him during the draft -- but i could see Dortch playing that role and being more productive.

 

[Krangodnzr]

The idea there is a 5th round pick difference in terms of competence between Tune, McCoy, Blough and Dobbs is a bad view. Especially since these were the same people who chose McCoy, Tune and Blough.

It's throwing away a less than 15% chance of finding a rosterable player for one who has made an NFL roster. I think you're vastly overstating the value of a fifth round pick based on actual objective data.

 

[Chopper0080]

A pick with a hit rate of less than 15% is not a meaningful asset when it is parlayed to acquire a player who can actually make an NFL roster.

This is a silly assertion here.

Lauding? Where have I "lauded" these moves. I have said it's good to get assets for players that you aren't keeping. That's not "lauding".

What we don't know is how the team is going to construct the roster. Maybe letting go of Jones means they keep Big Mo?

So instead of rebutting the statement you decide to shift to critiquing a synonym of praise.

and yes, it is throwing away a pick to get a replacement level QB on an expiring deal.

 

[Krangodnzr]

So instead of rebutting the statement you decide to shift to critiquing a synonym of praise.

Where have I praised the moves. I'm more agnostic on these moves than you are letting on. I'm just not jumping all over screaming and pouting over these moves. I'm waiting until more information comes out to make up mind.

and yes, it is throwing away a pick to get a replacement level QB on an expiring deal.

LOL. This is silliness. If you think fifth rounders are so valuable, show me some data that demonstrates that you are correct in that assertion. Hint, hint, you won't because every bit of data shows that passed round three, pretty much every player you're going to get is below replacement level. That doesn't mean that every player is, but those players are pretty damn rare.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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[Chopper0080]

It's throwing away a less than 15% chance of finding a rosterable player for one who has made an NFL roster. I think you're vastly overstating the value of a fifth round pick based on actual objective data.

Dobbs is a replacement level QB who has played for like 5 teams in 2 years. He is only under contract for one year. We weren't willing to sign him earlier in the year because of 2 mil. He has zero upside.

A 5th round pick has at least the potential to be more. Keontay Ingram looks to be our #2 at a reasonable, multiyear contract. He was a 6th. Clark might be a 3rd CB on our roster, also on a multi year deal. Those players have more value than Dobbs.

 

[kerouac9]

Why McBride? I can see some of the others mentioned, but why Trey?

Prior regime's pick who's sat out most of training camp with a mystery injury isn't exactly winning behaviors.

i think Ertz does around the trade deadline -- the $ go down for a partial season and some contender will be looking

Moore is tougher -- maybe some team who was high on him during the draft -- but i could see Dortch playing that role and being more productive.

The full contract is guaranteed if he's rostered Week 1. Teams aren't going to have more cap room later than they are now.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Prior regime's pick who's sat out most of training camp with a mystery injury isn't exactly winning behaviors.



The full contract is guaranteed if he's rostered Week 1. Teams aren't going to have more cap room later than they are now.

Is that a little smear? lol

J/K...don't care...just had to do it.

 

[kerouac9]

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Didn't know he had allopecia

 

[kerouac9]

Is that a little smear? lol

J/K...don't care...just had to do it.

I decided that I am Trey's Arizona dad, so I'm not happy about this. I think he'll be fine in the long run.

 

[Chopper0080]

Where have I praised the moves. I'm more agnostic on these moves than you are letting on. I'm just not jumping all over screaming and pouting over these moves. I'm waiting until more information comes out to make up mind.

LOL. This is silliness. If you think fifth rounders are so valuable, show me some data that demonstrates that you are correct in that assertion. Hint, hint, you won't because every bit of data shows that passed round three, pretty much every player you're going to get is below replacement level. That doesn't mean that every player is, but those players are pretty damn rare.

So you are agnostic but then proceed to be critical of those who don't like the move over multiple posts. The whole "I don't care and you shouldn't care either" angle is interesting coming from the person who decided to push back on the "Damien Williams and Marlon Mack are meh players" take that I had.

 

[cardpa]

Ertz carries a nearly $8 million base salary. Maybe we re-do his contract and take on additional money to make the trade work, but then why?

Agree on Moore. I think Antonio Hamilton could be there, also. Be interesting to see who gets featured on Saturday. Myjai Sanders would be a natural name for the trading block, also. Trey McBride and Rashard Lawrence are other prime candidates.

I had seriously thought about adding Sanders and Lawrence to the list as possible departures.

 

[OmahaCardsFan]

Dobbs was not traded for a 5th round pick. He was traded for the trade difference between a 5th and 7th. We swapped picks with cleveland and got dobbs. Not saying it's good or bad but he was not traded for a 5th straight up and to be honest the selection of a 5th vs 7th rounder still equates to a developmental pick in the 200 range i think. We traded the % of a hit rate which is fractional difference IMHO.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I decided that I am Trey's Arizona dad, so I'm not happy about this. I think he'll be fine in the long run.

I still like Trey and I really hope he works out.

 

[football karma]

The full contract is guaranteed if he's rostered Week 1. Teams aren't going to have more cap room later than they are now

Ertz's contract goes down by week as they pay him.

lets say a team starts the season with $5.5 mm in sal cap space- they keep that cap space all year if they dont sign anyone extra.

After 6 games, Ertz's would have $5.2mm left and that would "fit" under their cap, whereas today he wouldnt.

 

[kerouac9]

Ertz's contract goes down by week as they pay him.

lets say a team starts the season with $5.5 mm in sal cap space- they keep that cap space all year if they dont sign anyone extra.

After 6 games, Ertz's would have $5.2mm left and that would "fit" under their cap, whereas today he wouldnt.

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