Welcome Josh Dobbs. Arizona trades a 5th round pick for Joshua Dobbs and a 7th round pick

[Dback Jon]

I'm still trying to figure out how the team with the second most cap space in the league couldn't get the numbers to work when trying to sign a QB who ended up signing for $2 million. Especially when the alternative was sticking with a 37-year-old Colt McCoy who looked cooked last year. What did Monti offer?

That’s the part that bothers me if they really wanted Dobbs they could’ve had him without giving up draft capital

 

[CardNots]

Dobbs is not just a younger version of Colt, he's a more athletic version. And I'm not saying he's better than Colt, just different. We now have three athletic QB's (Kyler, Tune and Dobbs), so that should make for easier game plans, that won't need an overhaul once Kyler returns. JMO.

A younger McCoy was pretty spry

 

[CardNots]

You know the season is nearing. How I know? Other than the date, just look at the veteran posters I haven’t seen in a while. A beautiful sight indeed, welcome back!

 

[Garthshort]

A younger McCoy was pretty spry

But we HAVE the older version.

 

[Chopper0080]

Anyone who thinks any fifth round pick based trade is stupid is way too negative.

poverty mindset.

 

[Minski]

Trust in the plan… until it doesn’t work, then it’s just another **** up

 

[BritCard]

It will be interesting when Kyler comes back. Who goes?

Tune is a promising rookie who could be long term backup with starter potential.

Dobbs just cost you a 5th round pick.

And McCoy is a long term vet who's likely to retire after this year and saves you no money. It would be super harsh to cut him.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I'm still trying to figure out how the team with the second most cap space in the league couldn't get the numbers to work when trying to sign a QB who ended up signing for $2 million. Especially when the alternative was sticking with a 37-year-old Colt McCoy who looked cooked last year. What did Monti offer?

Masochist Monti wanted to pay more for the same level of service.

 

[Krangodnzr]

poverty mindset.

If you think a fifth round pick from a treasure trove of picks matters, I don't know what to tell you.

Monti traded two players the team didn't need for a player they did from their mindset. We will see how this plays out, but I won't be shocked to see McCoy retire in the next few weeks.

 

[Stout]

Take a deep breath… let this play out. Just imagine if The K boys were still here.
Nothing done to this point has made us a worse team. We won 4 games last year. FOUR! We have a piece of junk car that’s getting sanded down and removing the rust.
We all knew this. We all wanted this. Let’s just hope the new paint job turns out good. We won’t know that for a while.

Sure it has. Our offensive line depth just took a hit, and we got rid of a flawed player that nonetheless has explosive playmaking ability. Nobody on the bottom of the roster will be as good as that. We haven't become substantially worse, but we are now a worse team, most certainly.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Sure it has. Our offensive line depth just took a hit, and we got rid of a flawed player that nonetheless has explosive playmaking ability. Nobody on the bottom of the roster will be as good as that. We haven't become substantially worse, but we are now a worse team, most certainly.

Can't argue the OL depth, at this point...but maybe the coaches have more confidence in guys who can consistently make tackles and reads, that a guy who makes 2 or 3 splash plays a year.

 

[BigDavis75]

If you think a fifth round pick from a treasure trove of picks matters, I don't know what to tell you.

Monti traded two players the team didn't need for a player they did from their mindset. We will see how this plays out, but I won't be shocked to see McCoy retire in the next few weeks.

The issue is that we didn’t net any picks on the exchanges when picking up draft capital has been a clear goal for some time. Then when you look at the player we traded for it’s a third string qb on a one year deal *that we could have signed in the offseason* who might not have even made the team he was currently on.

You can handwave day three picks not mattering all you want but this was not a good set of decisions from our GM.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Can't argue the OL depth, at this point...but maybe the coaches have more confidence in guys who can consistently make tackles and reads, that a guy who makes 2 or 3 splash plays a year.

A guy who gets a sack every fourth game, but gives up three to four big pass receptions every game is a guy you want to move on from.

 

[kerouac9]

Can't argue the OL depth, at this point...but maybe the coaches have more confidence in guys who can consistently make tackles and reads, that a guy who makes 2 or 3 splash plays a year.

A guy who gets a sack every fourth game, but gives up three to four big pass receptions every game is a guy you want to move on from.

Hey! The usual suspects deliver more smears and exaggerations. Shocking.

Simmons had 8 splash plays last year (defined as INTs, Sacks, and forced fumbles). He allowed 3.17 receptions per game last year and 4 TDs.

 

[DVontel]

Slightly upset at the Jones trade.

Really upset about the Dobbs trade.

Happy about the Simmons trade.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Hey! The usual suspects deliver more smears and exaggerations. Shocking.

Simmons had 8 splash plays last year (defined as INTs, Sacks, and forced fumbles). He allowed 3.17 receptions per game last year and 4 TDs.

He also had double digit missed tackles in 2022. Again, facts aren't smears. He's a good kid with a poo load of talent...something just isn't allowing him to put it all together.

 

[AZCB34]

There sure is an awful lot of handwringing going on around here over this…It’s a fifth round pick, which has about a 5% chance of turning into anything in the future. And Colt McCoys washed up, so who cares? We still have tons of draft capital. Lol

Give everyone a break @Shane . Since the inception of this board, I believe this is the first time handwringing has occurred.

 

[Dayman]

He also had double digit missed tackles in 2022. Again, facts aren't smears. He's a good kid with a poo load of talent...something just isn't allowing him to put it all together.

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Simmons had 5 missed tackles last season and actually improved quite a lot in that area.

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Collins, however, did not improve, but once again, he is taking a fraction of the heat that Simmons is taking.

 

[MadCardDisease]

That’s the part that bothers me if they really wanted Dobbs they could’ve had him without giving up draft capital

My guess is that they wanted to get as much time with Dobbs as possible before the season starts. Cut down day is not until the 29th which is next week and there was no guarantee that the Browns wouldn't just keep 3 QBs. If he was cut, waivers don't process till the following day. So if they waited for him to be cut and he was, then Dobbs would only have about a week of practice to assimilate with the Cardinals after he was claimed.

The Cards basically swapped the Eagles 5th round pick (current Draft Trade Chart value of 28 points) for the Browns 7th round pick (current Draft Trade Chart value of 10 points). If you are just looking at it from a pick value perspective the Cardinals essentially moved from the 5th round to the 6th round based on draft pick value (18 points would be a late 6th). For that move they landed a former 4th round QB who the front office and offensive coaching staff were both comfortable with.

 

[DVontel]

C’mon man, let’s not do this thing where we’re going to act like Simmons was some decent player just to spite the overly optimists.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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Simmons had 5 missed tackles last season and actually improved quite a lot in that area.

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Collins, however, did not improve, but once again, he is taking a fraction of the heat that Simmons is taking.

Other outlets had Simmons with 12 last year.

 

[Chopper0080]

If you think a fifth round pick from a treasure trove of picks matters, I don't know what to tell you.

Monti traded two players the team didn't need for a player they did from their mindset. We will see how this plays out, but I won't be shocked to see McCoy retire in the next few weeks.

I think a 5th round pick is not a meaningless asset to be thrown away. That is Keim level stuff. You are lauding Monti for getting rid of two players who had no part in this rebuild, and then are ok with him wasting resources on a player who also does not have a part in a rebuild. Pick a side dude.

 

[Harry]

The Cards just invested a 5th for a QB who will likely help lose more games, thus keeping AZ as front runner for 2024 #1 overall pick. Monti out here playing chess, while we're all just playing checkers.

They already have Blough who can lose plenty of games

 

[Mainstreet]

Sarver wasn't born into sports team ownership...he's a bajillionaire outside sports. The Bidwills are the Cardinals; The Cardinals are the Bidwills.

Still, unforeseen things happen.

Even Robert Sarver was wise enough to hire a good GM before he left.

 

[AZCB34]

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Simmons had 5 missed tackles last season and actually improved quite a lot in that area.

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Collins, however, did not improve, but once again, he is taking a fraction of the heat that Simmons is taking.

When the Collins pick was made, most were dumbfounded by it (as I recall) and expected him to be a bust. Simmons on the other hand was pretty widely viewed as a great pick and his lack of consistent production was a jolt to the system.