What about Okafor?

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Right now the Suns have 12 roster spots filled. Ennis is yet to sign but I don't see why not really unless there is a deal lined up that has been kept really quiet, which I doubt since I would think the team getting him would have wanted him with them for the Summer League, he would take roster spot #13. Bledsoe is still kind of a question mark but we do control where he ends up and I don't see us letting him walk for nothing so he would be #14. That's 14 of 15 spots filled. Looking up information about the salary status of the team it looks like we have Christmas on a non guaranteed deal and even though he played in the Summer League I doubt he returns since he'll be 28 when the season starts and really hasn't shown anything that warrants keeping him or giving him minutes over Green, Tucker, Marcus, Warren, or Goodwin. Having 1 open roster spot for a trade or possible pick up would be better than keeping Christmas or guaranteeing he sits at the end of the bench. That leaves us with a roster looking like this....


PG - Bledsoe, Thomas, Ennis
SG - Dragic, Green, Goodwin
SF - Tucker, Marcus Morris, Warren
PF - Kieff, Tolliver, Randolph
C - Plumlee, Len

A name I haven't heard anything about since around last years All Star break when the Suns supposedly met with him to see if he'd be making a come back last season is Emeka Okafor. He sat out all last year rehabbing a back injury but I haven't heard anything about him being done and all indications were that he'd return somewhere this season. I'm not sure how his health is at the moment but when I googled him it looks like we renounced his rights to start the offseason, which makes sense considering his cap hold would be around 20 million and no one is paying him close to that, even if he was 100% healthy. A few fan blogs have suggested their team grab him for either a minimum deal or a little bit more on a 1 year deal. Since he's a big coming off a back injury that took him out for a full season he won't command much of a salary this year so that's not entirely unreasonably to assume he could be had for 1-2 million next season while proving he's healthy in an attempt to grab one last payday next offseason, he's only 31. He is limited offensively but we wouldn't need him for much on that end of the court anyways with all the offensive weapons we have. If he is close to 100% healthy he should be able to challenge Plumlee for the starting 5 spot and possibly Kieff at the 4 also. He's an undersized center so he should already be on the Suns radar even if he wasn't getting paid by us last season to do nothing. I don't expect him to have a breakout season or anything but I think he could be effective enough to make the other bigs earn their playing time at least, which is for the best IMO. Len isn't ready yet and can't seem to stay healthy anyways so he shouldn't just be handed up the backup 5 spot and even though Kieff had sort of a breakout year last year it wasn't enough to hand him the starting PF spot because last years starter left. I think having them compete with a solid veteran for their spots would be better for their development. Okafor isn't an All Star by any means but when healthy, which he's been most of his career barring last year, he's been a good rebounder and above average defender.

A starting 5 of either Bledsoe, Dragic, Tucker, Kieff, Okafor, or Bledsoe, Dragic, Tucker, Okafor, Plumlee should be above average defensively. If Okafor played the 4 alongside Plumlee we wouldn't really be playing small ball, that looks like a lineup that could work in the playoffs against larger teams. If Plumlee could average almost a double double last year I think Okafor could also, health permitting of course. I think he may be the best big left that could be had for a reasonable deal without needing to tie up money longterm, limiting future options. I have never heard anything real negative about his character either so he could be a good veteran presence for all of our young bigs.

If Bledsoe for some reason goes the route of taking the 1 year tender offer also then we could offer him more so we hit the salary floor which I'm sure would put as front runners from a money standpoint. The minutes in the frontcourt are there for him as well to try and earn a new long term deal. Add in that our training staff may help him out if there are questions with his back still and I think we'd be the reasonable choice for him. Our training staff is one of the best regarded in the league and has a history with Nash and his back issues so it's not like it would be something entirely new or unproven to them. If the training staff thought he could play at least backup minutes then I think he'd be worth it as a proven 3rd big alongside Plumlee and Kieff. I'd feel more comfortable with those 3 sharing the bulk of the minutes at PF & C and having Len, Randolph, and Tolliver playing when he hot or spot minutes.
 

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Right now the Suns have 12 roster spots filled. Ennis is yet to sign but I don't see why not really unless there is a deal lined up that has been kept really quiet, which I doubt since I would think the team getting him would have wanted him with them for the Summer League, he would take roster spot #13. Bledsoe is still kind of a question mark but we do control where he ends up and I don't see us letting him walk for nothing so he would be #14. That's 14 of 15 spots filled. Looking up information about the salary status of the team it looks like we have Christmas on a non guaranteed deal and even though he played in the Summer League I doubt he returns since he'll be 28 when the season starts and really hasn't shown anything that warrants keeping him or giving him minutes over Green, Tucker, Marcus, Warren, or Goodwin. Having 1 open roster spot for a trade or possible pick up would be better than keeping Christmas or guaranteeing he sits at the end of the bench. That leaves us with a roster looking like this....


PG - Bledsoe, Thomas, Ennis
SG - Dragic, Green, Goodwin
SF - Tucker, Marcus Morris, Warren
PF - Kieff, Tolliver, Randolph
C - Plumlee, Len

A name I haven't heard anything about since around last years All Star break when the Suns supposedly met with him to see if he'd be making a come back last season is Emeka Okafor. He sat out all last year rehabbing a back injury but I haven't heard anything about him being done and all indications were that he'd return somewhere this season. I'm not sure how his health is at the moment but when I googled him it looks like we renounced his rights to start the offseason, which makes sense considering his cap hold would be around 20 million and no one is paying him close to that, even if he was 100% healthy. A few fan blogs have suggested their team grab him for either a minimum deal or a little bit more on a 1 year deal. Since he's a big coming off a back injury that took him out for a full season he won't command much of a salary this year so that's not entirely unreasonably to assume he could be had for 1-2 million next season while proving he's healthy in an attempt to grab one last payday next offseason, he's only 31. He is limited offensively but we wouldn't need him for much on that end of the court anyways with all the offensive weapons we have. If he is close to 100% healthy he should be able to challenge Plumlee for the starting 5 spot and possibly Kieff at the 4 also. He's an undersized center so he should already be on the Suns radar even if he wasn't getting paid by us last season to do nothing. I don't expect him to have a breakout season or anything but I think he could be effective enough to make the other bigs earn their playing time at least, which is for the best IMO. Len isn't ready yet and can't seem to stay healthy anyways so he shouldn't just be handed up the backup 5 spot and even though Kieff had sort of a breakout year last year it wasn't enough to hand him the starting PF spot because last years starter left. I think having them compete with a solid veteran for their spots would be better for their development. Okafor isn't an All Star by any means but when healthy, which he's been most of his career barring last year, he's been a good rebounder and above average defender.

A starting 5 of either Bledsoe, Dragic, Tucker, Kieff, Okafor, or Bledsoe, Dragic, Tucker, Okafor, Plumlee should be above average defensively. If Okafor played the 4 alongside Plumlee we wouldn't really be playing small ball, that looks like a lineup that could work in the playoffs against larger teams. If Plumlee could average almost a double double last year I think Okafor could also, health permitting of course. I think he may be the best big left that could be had for a reasonable deal without needing to tie up money longterm, limiting future options. I have never heard anything real negative about his character either so he could be a good veteran presence for all of our young bigs.

If Bledsoe for some reason goes the route of taking the 1 year tender offer also then we could offer him more so we hit the salary floor which I'm sure would put as front runners from a money standpoint. The minutes in the frontcourt are there for him as well to try and earn a new long term deal. Add in that our training staff may help him out if there are questions with his back still and I think we'd be the reasonable choice for him. Our training staff is one of the best regarded in the league and has a history with Nash and his back issues so it's not like it would be something entirely new or unproven to them. If the training staff thought he could play at least backup minutes then I think he'd be worth it as a proven 3rd big alongside Plumlee and Kieff. I'd feel more comfortable with those 3 sharing the bulk of the minutes at PF & C and having Len, Randolph, and Tolliver playing when he hot or spot minutes.

If you want to have a good defensive team, just re-sign Bledsoe. We had something like the 2nd best offensive team while he and Dragic were both on the court AND the 5th best defensive team. I haven't done the research, I've just seen these numbers on another message board (RealGM). And they've gone undisputed even by the stats freaks so I believe they have some validity.

We underrate Bledsoe on this board. Dramatically, if he really makes that big of a difference. BTW, without Bledsoe we were the 21st rated defense (again, according to this other poster who referenced NBA.com for his numbers).

Okafor might have helped us a little last season as a third string center but I'd hate to see him get more than a few minutes. He gives away almost as much as he gives you and that was before his injury and long layoff. He's never had more than 8 foot range but his last couple of seasons he couldn't even score effectively at the rim. He's also a liability at the free throw line so you pretty much have to bench him when you need him most.

If we did as you suggested and paired him with Plumlee we'd have to rely on three point shooting because neither of those guys are going to be able to pull their defender away from the rim and neither of them are any good at posting up. We are not a good three point shooting team. We do one thing better than anyone else. We penetrate. That combo would do what no defense can do, it would negate our only real strength.

Fortunately, AFAIC, given his reported reluctance to even talk with us last season, I doubt we're considering him at all.

Steve
 

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Since the Suns paid Okafor a huge salary not to play for them last year, why should they continue to pay him not to play for them this year? Okafor can go to a fiery pit for the undead as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Okafor "rehabbed" his injury in NY last year with the Suns blessing. When the Suns were in town to play the Knicks they asked him to meet and discuss future plans and see how the rehab was going.

He declined. The end.
 

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Okafor "rehabbed" his injury in NY last year with the Suns blessing. When the Suns were in town to play the Knicks they asked him to meet and discuss future plans and see how the rehab was going.

He declined. The end.

I never understood why he didn't want to rehab with one of the best training staffs in basketball.

That tells me that he and the Suns had an "agreement" of some sorts.
 

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I could be wrong, but I think he's done. My guess is that he did not meet with them because he knew he was done. He collected his large checks and had no desire to trade living in NY for Phoenix. The only part that has me confused is that he even has the option to decline meeting with his employer. Seems to me that if the people who sign your checks want to meet, you go. Especially when it's in the city you live and hardly an inconvenience.
 
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I knew he had his own sort of rehab plan set up in New York last year, which made some sense if he was going to miss the whole season. I can understand why he wouldn't want to change that plan because he got traded just before the season started and had his own plan in place. He was traded here as an expiring contract and not a player also, I don't think there was ever any intention to use him until we ended up in the playoff hunt and towards the end of the season we could have used another big. I wasn't aware he wouldn't take a meeting with the team though about playing a role of some sort down the stretch. Not wanting to return early and risking a more severe injury or setback is understandable but not even meeting with the team is unacceptable. I did not know that side of things, I thought the meeting took place and it was decided he wasn't ready to return.
 
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If he declined a meeting you'd think the team could have suspended him without pay, granted he was injured and not playing anyways and insurance was covering a large portion but allowing that could set a bad precedent. I would think they'd be just in suspending him for that also, I'm the NBAPA would appeal it like they do everything but if Sarver was as cheap as he's accused of being I'd think he'd want to do what he could that could result in keeping more money in his pocket.

I remember back in 04-05 I believe when Jimmy Jackson was traded to New Orleans and refused to report he was suspended without pay up until they traded him to Phoenix which he was fine with. I think that would be similar here, if he can't play then he can't play but not reporting or meeting would/should be grounds for some sort of reprisal from management.
 

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If he declined a meeting you'd think the team could have suspended him without pay, granted he was injured and not playing anyways and insurance was covering a large portion but allowing that could set a bad precedent. I would think they'd be just in suspending him for that also, I'm the NBAPA would appeal it like they do everything but if Sarver was as cheap as he's accused of being I'd think he'd want to do what he could that could result in keeping more money in his pocket.

I remember back in 04-05 I believe when Jimmy Jackson was traded to New Orleans and refused to report he was suspended without pay up until they traded him to Phoenix which he was fine with. I think that would be similar here, if he can't play then he can't play but not reporting or meeting would/should be grounds for some sort of reprisal from management.

I was wondering about that too. My guess is that the Suns figured it wasn't worth the PR hit, especially if they weren't sure they'd win. But it was still very unprofessional of Okafor, who I always thought was a wuss anyway.
 

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I never understood why he didn't want to rehab with one of the best training staffs in basketball.

That tells me that he and the Suns had an "agreement" of some sorts.

This is my take as well. His salary would be payed by the insurance company and the Suns were happy with the situation. No meeting necessary.
 

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Yeah, I think the Suns never had any intention of Okafor taking the court for them. He was either going to be thrown in some mid-season trade or the Suns were going to cash his insurance check.
 
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