What can (or should) be done to fix the team this season?

[Yuma]

Veteran teams are supposed to need less coaching not more. I was fine with hiring Vogel but I've yet to see anything from this team that's impressed me so I'm fine if he's shown the door. I just have serious doubts that it will fix anything, especially this season.

There was one quote by Vogel himself early on that was telling. He said something like the guys want to run an uptempo offense and get out and run more. I don't know who "the Guys" are. If that is the players and Young? Just the players? I Was thinking, well Vogel is not too worried about the offense we run.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

There was one quote by Vogel himself early on that was telling. He said something like the guys want to run an uptempo offense and get out and run more. I don't know who "the Guys" are. If that is the players and Young? Just the players? I Was thinking, well Vogel is not too worried about the offense we run.

And if that’s the case . . . where the heck is the running?!?

 

[Cardsmasochist]

We need a draft on par with the ‘74 Steelers class just to get back to being competitive. The current roster is depleted of talent except for a few players.

 

[Mainstreet]

We need a draft on par with the ‘74 Steelers class just to get back to being competitive. The current roster is depleted of talent except for a few players.

Supposedly, the Suns made the trades for Durant and Beal to win a championship. It makes one wonder what the Suns front office was thinking.

 

[Yuma]

Supposedly, the Suns made the trades for Durant and Beal to win a championship. It makes one wonder what the Suns front office was thinking.

So just on paper, we got Booker, KD, Beal. Then we fill in with the rest of who we got. In theory, lots of media pundits and experts that follow the NBA were saying what a great off season we had. It was not just fans. Most experts got fooled. You always have the contrarian guys who have their takes against the grain so they can look like geniuses later, but pretty much on paper it looked good. The reality has not played out as well.

 

[Muggz]

More Cowbell!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Supposedly, the Suns made the trades for Durant and Beal to win a championship. It makes one wonder what the Suns front office was thinking.

They were probably thinking we just came off two back to back playoff meltdowns, one that was punctuated by the MOST HUMILIATING GAME 7 HOME LOSS IN NBA HISTORY, and the next season, CP3 aged ten years over night and the team was painfully mediocre and needed to make a big move to try and win a title and not drift off to also-ran territory.

So they swung for the fences and so far, they’re staring at an 0-2 count. Standing Pat and somehow getting demonstrably, title contender better by trading magic beans instead of trading Bridges is fantasy you continue to revel in, but it’s just that. Fantasy.

That said, this reality blows so far.

 

[Mainstreet]

If the playoffs were today, the Suns wouldn't make the play-in.

They are in 11th place in the West behind the Warriors.

 

[Hoop Head]

So just on paper, we got Booker, KD, Beal. Then we fill in with the rest of who we got. In theory, lots of media pundits and experts that follow the NBA were saying what a great off season we had. It was not just fans. Most experts got fooled. You always have the contrarian guys who have their takes against the grain so they can look like geniuses later, but pretty much on paper it looked good. The reality has not played out as well.

They said we did a good job that first week but the talk headed into the season was all about how we had no depth. I recall a number of board members here being mad saying we had great depth but that depth has never showed itself.

 

[95pro]

All things considered. We do have Beals enormous contract sitting on the bench. That could be another center or guard on this team with the current roster. Right now he’s just been a paper weight.

 

[Yuma]

All things considered. We do have Beals enormous contract sitting on the bench. That could be another center or guard on this team with the current roster. Right now he’s just been a paper weight.

Same as CP3 would be this season. I kinda looked at CP3 leaving for a possibly injured Beal as a wash. Something was up with CP3 and the team. Maybe he wore out his welcome in PHX.

 

[95pro]

Same as CP3 would be this season. I kinda looked at CP3 leaving for a possibly injured Beal as a wash. Something was up with CP3 and the team. Maybe he wore out his welcome in PHX.

With all things the exact same now, instead of Beal, insert some usable piece/pieces, we might be looking at a different team and season.

 

[Yuma]

With all things the exact same now, instead of Beal, insert some usable piece/pieces, we might be looking at a different team and season.

That's what I consider Allen and Gordon. We wanted to dump CP3 so you get what you get. Plus Shammet was gone too.

 

[mjb21aztd]

1130 ive said f u vogel 10 plus times after gm

Hope matt i feels same way and as should changes happen by n week
With kd book u need have to be least .500 lol

Awful showin of talent

Deep bench my ass lol

 

[GatorAZ]

Idk what firing Frank and promoting Young will do. It doesn’t seem like Vogel is ignoring his advice on offensive input or anything. I honestly don’t think it would change anything b/c if they quit on a veteran coach they’ll walk all over a rookie HC.

 

[Yuma]

Idk what firing Frank and promoting Young will do. It doesn’t seem like Vogel is ignoring his advice on offensive input or anything. I honestly don’t think it would change anything b/c if they quit on a veteran coach they’ll walk all over a rookie HC.

Yeah, I don't want Young. If Vogel goes, a new staff has to come in. Maybe Fizdale if we need an interim?

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't know how you can replace an entire coaching staff in December.

If Vogel gets canned then Young or Fizdale will, at minimum, be interim guys.

 

[Sparky16]

As fans, we should be careful what we wish for, much like the nursery rhyme, “Humpty Dumpty.”

At this point i trust Nash far more than KD, what a bust

 

[Proximo]

Supposedly, the Suns made the trades for Durant and Beal to win a championship. It makes one wonder what the Suns front office was thinking.

Man people have a short memory.

What they were thinking is Book and KD single handedly kept us in a series with the Denver Nuggets and it looked like the roster just needed a little upgrade to put us over the top.

They did that, and KD and Book don't look nearly as effective this season, all the guys we picked up are having worse seasons than they did last year - what does that tell me - for one the coaching is worse.

 

[CardNots]

I just don’t like Book as a point guard.

 

[Germz249]

We went all in and it hasn't work out so far.. Do we sell early and get what we can back or keep the drive going until the end.

 

[Hoop Head]

Meant to post this here, accidentally put it in the Vogel coach thread.

ESPN updated their trade asset article where they list all the pieces a team has and what can be moved. Not looking pretty for us but I'm sure most everyone knew that. It's nice to see it all spelled out by a reputable source though so if anyone has any questions this should answer them.

Here is the Suns portion,

Trade targets, draft capital and big questions facing every NBA team

The NBA's trade deadline is less than two months away and teams are already looking at their rosters, lining up what they have and what they need.

www.espn.com

Front office discussions: Does Phoenix get a chance to evaluate this roster when healthy prior to the deadline so it can determine undiscovered needs? Is a healthy Bradley Beal comparable to a trade deadline acquisition? Beal has played six games this season. Should Phoenix target a point guard like Tyus Jones at the cost of Grayson Allen and Nassir Little? Besides their own players, the Suns have two trade exceptions ($6.5M and $5M) and three second-round picks. Once the trade deadline is over, the trade exceptions are no longer available in the offseason because of the second apron rules. What is the priority of need for the final roster and two-way spot? The Suns are allowed to also sign a player bought out of his contract, but only if his preexisting salary was less than $12.4 million.

Off the board: Durant ($47.6M, UFA 2026), Devin Booker ($36M, UFA 2028) and Beal ($46.7M, Team 2026, no trade clause)

Players with trade value: Allen ($8.9M, UFA 2024) and Little ($6.2M, UFA 2027)

Free agents in July: Allen (UFA), Eric Gordon ($3.2M, Player), Josh Okogie ($2.8M, Player), Damion Lee ($2.5M, Player), Keita Bates-Diop ($2.3M, Player), Drew Eubanks ($2.3M, Player), Yuta Watanabe ($2.3M, Player), Bol Bol ($2M, UFA), Chimezie Metu ($2M, UFA) and Jordan Goodwin ($1.9M, Team)

Controllable contracts: None

Long-term salary: Jusuf Nurkic ($16.9M, UFA 2026)

Draft capital: Washington has the right to swap firsts with Phoenix in 2024 if the Wizards' first (if 13-30) to New York is not conveyed. Phoenix can trade its 2024 first but not until the night of the draft. The Wizards also have the right to swap firsts in 2026 (if 9-30), 2028 (if 9-30) and 2030. Orlando then has the right to swap its 2026 first with the less favorable from Phoenix or Washington. Memphis has the right to swap the less favorable firsts of Phoenix and Washington in 2030. The Suns owe Brooklyn unprotected firsts in 2025, 2027 and 2029. Brooklyn also has the right to swap firsts with Phoenix in 2028. The Wizards then have the right to swap the least favorable first from the Nets, Suns or the 76ers first in 2028. Phoenix has three second-round picks available to trade.

The finances: The Suns are $21.5M over the luxury tax and projected to pay a $50.7M tax penalty. The Suns have four trade exceptions ($6.5M, $5M, $1.8M and $1.1M).

 

[Mainstreet]

Man people have a short memory.

What they were thinking is Book and KD single handedly kept us in a series with the Denver Nuggets and it looked like the roster just needed a little upgrade to put us over the top.

They did that, and KD and Book don't look nearly as effective this season, all the guys we picked up are having worse seasons than they did last year - what does that tell me - for one the coaching is worse.

Maybe you have the short memory.

Yeah, the Suns lost to the Nuggets 4-2 in the second round of the playoffs in 2022-23.

The Lakers played in the Western Conference Finals.

There is something called chemistry.

 

[Mainstreet]

At this point i trust Nash far more than KD, what a bust

I've always liked Steve Nash. He was a coach on the court and always gave it 100%.

I wonder if the new brand of player would listen to him though? At least one player didn't.

 

[Yuma]

We went all in and it hasn't work out so far.. Do we sell early and get what we can back or keep the drive going until the end.

I think we have no other choice but to play it out this season.