What defense does Clancy run?

[Ryanwb]

Is it used by any other team in the league? Just wondering because I haven't seen any other teams use their DBs 10 yards off the LOS on any other team

 

[D-Dogg]

Whatever it is, it sucks.

 

[BigRedRage]

tuck and run D

 

[Ryanwb]

You've heard of the cover 2 defense? This is the cover 0 defense.... they never knew what hit'em

 

[abomb]

You've heard of the cover 2 defense? This is the cover 0 defense.... they never knew what hit'em

Also, in the CP Cover 0 defensive scheme, the CB (in this case Rolle) is tasked with defending the entire endzone, regardless of field position.

 

[Russ Smith]

prevent mostly.

 

[D-Dogg]

One of the main theories of the CP Cover Zero is that when you see a sign of weakness to avoid exploiting it at all costs. For example, the opposing quarterback starts limping even when handing the ball off. This is a clear sign to pull back the pressure and let the QBs injury rest.

It's brilliant in its lunacy.

 

[abomb]

One of the main theories of the CP Cover Zero is that when you see a sign of weakness to avoid exploiting it at all costs. For example, the opposing quarterback starts limping even when handing the ball off. This is a clear sign to pull back the pressure and let the QBs injury rest.

It's brilliant in its lunacy.

Ha!

Also, blitzing is prohibited in CP Cover Zero. Rushing four, ensures there are seven players to not cover in the flat and downfield.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You've heard of the cover 2 defense? This is the cover 0 defense.... they never knew what hit'em

My rugby team basically played that for a its entire first year. FNG's and all.


I like Pendergast's defense. I know it is not the popular opinion right now but I have no problem with Pendergast as our DC. It sounds like we are getting ready to transfer into a 3-4, and Pendergast doesn't sound to be concerned. Neither am I for that matter. I think this team is going to play versions of 3-4,4-3, and Complex Nickel packages at any given time.

 

[devilfan02]

Whatever it is, it sucks.

I want him gone but it's not gonna happen. At least one more year of 15 yd cushions. Grrrrrrr

 

[TheCardFan]

What happened to Clancy? A couple of years ago his defense was really doing special things and people were rumbling about him possibily being a HC candidate (some on this board were worried he would leave early to be a HC).

He couldn't have turned stupid...so what is the deal?

 

[vince56]

Is it used by any other team in the league? Just wondering because I haven't seen any other teams use their DBs 10 yards off the LOS on any other team

The front 7 variates between the 4-3, 3-4, and 4-4 w/ Wilson as the extra backer in the 4/4, Pace as the extra backer in the 3-4.

The secondary looks to me like they usually run quarters zone, which is the worst damn defensive scheme on the planet IMO. The bastard-child of cover 2. It leaves too much of the field wide open.

I'll say this though, I love what Pendergast's defenses do in the front 7.

 

[CardShark]

What happened to Clancy? A couple of years ago his defense was really doing special things and people were rumbling about him possibily being a HC candidate (some on this board were worried he would leave early to be a HC).

He couldn't have turned stupid...so what is the deal?

Green told him to scale it back, as he thought he was being too aggressive. That was from Greens own mouth.

 

[CardinalChris]

This cracks me up. We aren't aggressive enough, but when we blitz we complain how our corners get burned. You can't have it both ways. Which do you want? Aggressive giving up a crap load of big plays because our corners are average at best, or make 'em work for it and hope they make a mistake we can capitalize on. We didn't blitz that much because when we did we don't get to the QB, so our DBs get exposed. So which do we prefer? We don't have the talent to send 5 or 6 every play.

 

[PJ1]

I believe it is the CP hope they drop it. If they do drop it jump around like you just made a play.

 

[PJ1]

This cracks me up. We aren't aggressive enough, but when we blitz we complain how our corners get burned. You can't have it both ways. Which do you want? Aggressive giving up a crap load of big plays because our corners are average at best, or make 'em work for it and hope they make a mistake we can capitalize on. We didn't blitz that much because when we did we don't get to the QB, so our DBs get exposed. So which do we prefer? We don't have the talent to send 5 or 6 every play.

I especially like the 3 man rush. QB has his choice of receivers and can pick up any distance required for a first down.

 

[CardinalChris]

Retain the offense (Big mainly if that bridge hasn't burned already) and draft heavy defense, unless Thomas somehow slides to 5, which may or may not happen.

 

[Second Deck]

I thought the D played well the first part of the year seem to slip in the middle then played well holding Alexander and Gore to well below their average.

I also hope Wiz wants to play tighter coverage with the corners. As far as blizting I thought Wilson was used alot to blitz and run coverage. I am OK if Clancy stays. The D was put in tough spots last year with the turnovers the O was making.

 

[Stout]

The front 7 variates between the 4-3, 3-4, and 4-4 w/ Wilson as the extra backer in the 4/4, Pace as the extra backer in the 3-4.

The secondary looks to me like they usually run quarters zone, which is the worst damn defensive scheme on the planet IMO. The bastard-child of cover 2. It leaves too much of the field wide open.

I'll say this though, I love what Pendergast's defenses do in the front 7.

So you dig the 3 man rush? You like when we continue to rush 4, even when we can get no pressure on the QB?

 

[JeffGollin]

Green told him to scale it back, as he thought he was being too aggressive. That was from Greens own mouth.

Finally, some useful information other than "He sucks; fire him."

I think this is the deal:

In a perfect world, Clancy would like to employ varying fronts and Front 7 combinations. To paraphrase Norm Chow - for this to work, you need to employ aggressive man-coverage. Where things break down is when you need to bring the 8th guy up into the box to stop the run. Which means he won't be available to help either corner, and "that's when you get in trouble."

In the real world, Rolle was often too timid in man coverage and would concede easy short completions for first downs. Green had coverage problems and would either blow assignments or get torched deep. Macklin was a step too slow to run with the swifties.

So, facing reality, DG told Clancy to scale it back. We played a lot of Cover 2 and deep zone and even rookies like Cutler were able to slice and dice us.

I think the answer to "being damned if we do or damned if we don't" is to either bring in or develop corners who will be effective in tight man coverage. The way I see it, Teryl Austin has to coach-up Rolle and Green and our scouting dept. has to find us (in FA or in the draft) at least 2 more guys who are effective in man coverage - they can represent "Rolle and Green insurance" and/or push Antrel and Eric - besides; you can never have too many corners.

I really think this is the deal on defense and many fans are being unfairly critical of Pendergast.

 

[SuperSpck]

Finally, some useful information other than "He sucks; fire him."

I think this is the deal:

In a perfect world, Clancy would like to employ varying fronts and Front 7 combinations. To paraphrase Norm Chow - for this to work, you need to employ aggressive man-coverage. Where things break down is when you need to bring the 8th guy up into the box to stop the run. Which means he won't be available to help either corner, and "that's when you get in trouble."

In the real world, Rolle was often too timid in man coverage and would concede easy short completions for first downs. Green had coverage problems and would either blow assignments or get torched deep. Macklin was a step too slow to run with the swifties.

So, facing reality, DG told Clancy to scale it back. We played a lot of Cover 2 and deep zone and even rookies like Cutler were able to slice and dice us.

I think the answer to "being damned if we do or damned if we don't" is to either bring in or develop corners who will be effective in tight man coverage. The way I see it, Teryl Austin has to coach-up Rolle and Green and our scouting dept. has to find us (in FA or in the draft) at least 2 more guys who are effective in man coverage - they can represent "Rolle and Green insurance" and/or push Antrel and Eric - besides; you can never have too many corners.

I really think this is the deal on defense and many fans are being unfairly critical of Pendergast.

A good and well thought out answer.

Meaning it's going to be ignored.

And to respond to an earlier question, yes other teams do feature packages where the CB's play further off the ball but I haven't seen enough of all 32 teams to find out the % they are used in to make an accurate statement on it's popularity.

 

[Stout]

A good and well thought out answer.

Meaning it's going to be ignored.
And to respond to an earlier question, yes other teams do feature packages where the CB's play further off the ball but I haven't seen enough of all 32 teams to find out the % they are used in to make an accurate statement on it's popularity.

Yes, and then no.

It is a certain distinct possibility that this is what happened. Clancy definitely coached aggressive early, but that aggression clearly went away. Jeff's is as good an explanation as any. My problem with Pendy is that, whatever the cause, he did become far too conservative, and more importantly, could not change his strategy in-game to account for how the game was going. To not blitz Cutler is simply idiotic, whoever it came from.

Can Pendy come back and be good again? Maybe so, maybe not. With a new HC and a new lease on playoff hopes, I simply do not want to pin our entire defensive scheme on a 'maybe', a 'perhaps it wasn't his fault', or a 'he might be able to become aggressive'. I want us to go out and get a DC we KNOW will bring an aggressive gameplane. Lebeau(sp?) would be ideal, IMO.

 

[PJ1]

How anyone could watch every game last year and come away with a favorable impression of our D is beyond me. They were not even average.

I agree we have some talent but I recall teams moving the ball on us at the absolute worse times and our D was powerless to stop it.

 

[ajcardfan]

Urban reported today that Whis is probably looking at other options besides Pendy. I hope it's true. I don't buy the revisionist history going on that Clancy was just doing what Green wanted. Unless everyone wants to give Green credit for the good games the defense played too.

(No takers? Yeah, that's what I thought.)

BTW---To answer the original post:

When I watched the Giants this year it was like watching our D. Their corners almost always played back and never jammed.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Urban reported today that Whis is probably looking at other options besides Pendy. I hope it's true. I don't buy the revisionist history going on that Clancy was just doing what Green wanted. Unless everyone wants to give Green credit for the good games the defense played too.

Especially when fans complained and writers noted about Green delegating nearly everything. I don't buy for one second that Green was this lazy head coach who rarely attended meetings yet devised and forced his coaches to implement some defensive scheme.