What did Skelton do to Whiz?

[desertdawg]

No matter what anybody says I'll never be convinced Whiz honestly felt Lindley was our best option out there, no way no how. Something deeper is going on. Seriously, Whiz is making an example out of Skelton infront of the whole team, and that team is scared to talk about it. Now having to resort to using fear as a motivation technique again during the losing streak, his days are numbered. But back to Skelton...what did he say or do? Someone in here said something about an unhappy comment, and I do remember that last TD miss to Larry right before he got benched. But that was not Whiz playing to win today, that was Whiz showing who's boss, and he won't let losing a game stop him.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Hardly, Lindley has putrid accuracy and Skelton has horrible accuracy and it does not change the fact that we do not have a QB. Given a few more weeks, Lindley will upset the coach as Skelton has done be it any coach...they both are awful and Whis and this staff selected them...this is ikky stuff which legends are made of, yuk LOL

 

[ANDY440]

Well now that you mention it Skelton was quoted in the paper questioning if he had a future here,maybe that was it .

 

[Big D]

Face it the guy is just completely and utterly clueless when it comes to the QB position. There is no deep dark secret or any other rationale anyone wants to try to come up with other than Whis has no earthly idea what he is doing. The results more than speak for themselves.

 

[thephoenixson28]

They both suck

 

[Jetstream Green]

They both suck

I fancy double that

 

[THESMEL]

Ask Leinart, Q, Deuce, Reggie Wells and Eric Green- Maybe Edge or Beanie knows after playing behind THT? Rod hood?

But You would probably get better clarification Asking what Mcfadden, Faneca and porter didn't do to start!

 

[phillycard]

Well he can prove a point right out of town. The entire world new that Whis should have went to Johnny. I'm sickened that he would sit there and ride the damn bus with all of us on it right off the friggin cliff.

 

[Duckjake]

No matter what anybody says I'll never be convinced Whiz honestly felt Lindley was our best option out there, no way no how. Something deeper is going on. Seriously, Whiz is making an example out of Skelton infront of the whole team, and that team is scared to talk about it. Now having to resort to using fear as a motivation technique again during the losing streak, his days are numbered. But back to Skelton...what did he say or do? Someone in here said something about an unhappy comment, and I do remember that last TD miss to Larry right before he got benched. But that was not Whiz playing to win today, that was Whiz showing who's boss, and he won't let losing a game stop him.

Despite what the Skelton bash gang claims I agree with you. No coach leaves in a QB who is as awful as Lindley was especially after Lindley missed on a carbon copy of the Fitz overthrow Skelton had two weeks ago.

Leinart,Boldin,Lutui,Bridges,ASmith,Hightower...Can't say for sure but it definitely makes you wonder what's going on behind closed doors at Warner and Hardy.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Face it the guy is just completely and utterly clueless when it comes to the QB position. There is no deep dark secret or any other rationale anyone wants to try to come up with other than Whis has no earthly idea what he is doing. The results more than speak for themselves.

Hey, give the man some credit - he made Kurt wear gloves and BOOM! Kurt was re-born! Maybe Lindley should try gloves...

 

[kerouac9]

We lost by one point. In an entire game, I believe that John Skelton is one point better than Ryan Lindley.

 

[Duckjake]

Hey, give the man some credit - he made Kurt wear gloves and BOOM! Kurt was re-born! Maybe Lindley should try gloves...

Or maybe we should only sign QBs 35 and older.

 

[bg7brd]

I think we would have one at least 2 of our last 3 games if Skelton had played. I'm not saying Skelton is anything special but he has proven to us and especially his team mates that he can put up W's. As crappy as Skelton was for 3 quarters he ultimately came through and I think the D respected that.

 

[Big D]

Hey, give the man some credit - he made Kurt wear gloves and BOOM! Kurt was re-born! Maybe Lindley should try gloves...

Per Google the odds of being struck by lightning twice are about 1 in 390,000,000. My Cardinals math says multiply that by the number of starting QBs over the last three seasons then divide by the number of playoff winning QBs in AZ history and you should have the odds of Whis having the same QB success again.

 

[machgman]

Hey, give the man some credit - he made Kurt wear gloves and BOOM! Kurt was re-born! Maybe Lindley should try gloves...

According to old news stories, it was Todd Haley who suggested that to Warner, not Whisenhut. But that is not surprising that Whisenhut wants to take credit for that since he has said that Warner was just a small part of the Cards going to the Super Bowl and infers that he and Graves were the major reasons why the Cards had some success.

If so, why did the Cards fall apart once Warner left?

 

[desertdawg]

We lost by one point. In an entire game, I believe that John Skelton is one point better than Ryan Lindley.

Maybe even 2 points better. Whiz knows it too, that's why the announcers were begging for the switch too, apologizing live on TV for the way they had to describe our offense. They almost suggested a breathalyzer for Lindley at one point. Skelton must have gone to dinner with Beanie or something. Maybe he left one of those 4 page Jerry Miguire epic type emails about the offense and it's future. Maybe he snapped on Whiz on the sideline right before he got benched awhile back, he was really frustrated that day chilling all by his lonesome. If somebody snaps at the HC, the first thing the other players do is exit stage left. There wasn't a Card in Skelton's zipcode when he was sitting there on the bench. But now I'm getting all Enquirererer so I'll stop there.

 

[Duckjake]

Maybe even 2 points better. Whiz knows it too, that's why the announcers were begging for the switch too, apologizing live on TV for the way they had to describe our offense. They almost suggested a breathalyzer for Lindley at one point. Skelton must have gone to dinner with Beanie or something. Maybe he left one of those 4 page Jerry Miguire epic type emails about the offense and it's future. Maybe he snapped on Whiz on the sideline right before he got benched awhile back, he was really frustrated that day chilling all by his lonesome. If somebody snaps at the HC, the first thing the other players do is exit stage left. There wasn't a Card in Skelton's zipcode when he was sitting there on the bench. But now I'm getting all Enquirererer so I'll stop there.

Coach 0-12 found out two weeks ago that when Skelton was a rookie John was sneaking food to Lutui.

 

[Catfish]

Unfortunately Skelton did the same thing that Matt Leinart and Derek Anderson, and the kid with Moxie did. They all failed to execute Whiz' offense to Whiz' satisfaction, and simply became expendable. All are now non-entities on the Whiz radar of, (what at one time), were promising QB's to Whiz. Having failed in their attempt, they now have no worth and will never see playing time again, (save for some emergency situation). Skelton will be disposed of just like the others were.

 

[Totally_Red]

Listen I love Ken Whisenhunt, but the down side of Whis is his occasional stubborness, e.g. when Edgerin James got on his bad side and Whis refused to play him. He did finally relent and Edge contributed greatly to the Super Bowl run.

Unfortunately, yesterday at the Meadowlands we saw Whis' stubborn side resurface when he refused to insert John Skelton in the second half when even the clueless Brian Billick was calling for it. I'm no Skelton fan, but that was an absolutely winnable football game, possibly the last of the year, if Whis replaces a lousy Ryan Lindley. Just look at the small spark Rex Ryan got from making a QB change. It's not rocket science. But it is depressing when the head coach refuses to give his players a chance at a victory.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

No matter what anybody says I'll never be convinced Whiz honestly felt Lindley was our best option out there, no way no how. Something deeper is going on. Seriously, Whiz is making an example out of Skelton infront of the whole team, and that team is scared to talk about it. Now having to resort to using fear as a motivation technique again during the losing streak, his days are numbered. But back to Skelton...what did he say or do? Someone in here said something about an unhappy comment, and I do remember that last TD miss to Larry right before he got benched. But that was not Whiz playing to win today, that was Whiz showing who's boss, and he won't let losing a game stop him.

+1

Completely unprofessional. Completely unfair, and hypocritical.

What is worse ? Lindley missed the EXACT SAME PASS that got Skelton benched, and it was after the INT's and after Lindley had a complete and total emotional breakdown out on the field.

In addition to keeping Lindley out on the field, go back and watch what an embarrassment Rich Ohrnberger was at center.

Whiz is a joke. A complete joke. His system is a joke, and his coaching career is a joke. Warner, Dick LaBeau, and Ray Horton. Without those three Whiz would not be where he is today, which is not much, but he is barely a highschool coach at this point.

Horrible. Hopefully this season makes sure he and Grimm are not in the NFL after this season. They don't deserve to be. That is not NFL quality football, thus it does not belong in the league.

I never would think about firing a coach mid-season, but Whiz deserves it at this point. Totally justifiable.

If the organization is standing behind flushing the season down the toilet, giving up, putting a product on the field like what we all just seen, then Whiz can be fired.

If your going to screw over your players, fans, and everyone involved in the organization by stubbornly leaving players in games that have no business being in there, then just blow the whole thing up.

This is already a joke, the season is already over, there is no reason why Whiz cannot, and should not be fired. He is a joke, and the organization is a joke right now, so it won't hurt anything anyway.

Flippin' disgrace. Whiz sucks, and I hope to never see him on the sideline again. Frickin' clown.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Unfortunately Skelton did the same thing that Matt Leinart and Derek Anderson, and the kid with Moxie did. They all failed to execute Whiz' offense to Whiz' satisfaction, and simply became expendable. All are now non-entities on the Whiz radar of, (what at one time), were promising QB's to Whiz. Having failed in their attempt, they now have no worth and will never see playing time again, (save for some emergency situation). Skelton will be disposed of just like the others were.

So, by that logic you are saying Lindley was to execute Whiz' offense to Whiz' satisfaction ?

Meh.

I guess you are right, since that statement is saying that Whiz is the deciding factor on who is running his "system". So, yeah, I guess you are right.

So, our head coach, in his infinite wisdom thinks what we had seen out of Lindley is better then what we were seeing out of Skelton.

Sure, why not. The guy can't analyze football, and especially QB's so, you are right about that Fish, I must say that.

Too bad our head coach is a joke, so it all makes sense.

 

[conraddobler]

Who the heck knows what's going through the man's head, it seems obvious to me he holds grudges like this thread implies, I've said that a bunch too.

Holding grudges is ok by me if you win but he dosen't so it's not.

 

[WildBB]

. But that is not surprising that Whisenhut wants to take credit for that since he has said that Warner was just a small part of the Cards going to the Super Bowl and infers that he and Graves were the major reasons why the Cards had some success.

 

[Totally_Red]

People who say Skelton also sucks are missing the larger point of fairness which is the main idea of this thread in the first place.

When you are ONLY concerned with winning the game as Whiz REPEATEDLY says and when you are ONLY concerned with giving your team the best chance to win, you don't play games with people.

What's obvious now is that Whiz plays games and he says he dosen't.

You can obviously sit whoever you want whenever you want and if you have the best interests of the team at heart it's all good, even if that means you're teaching a player a leason.

The line gets crossed though when it ceases to be about the team or the leason and it's just about you pissing on a tree.

Whiz I think crosses that line a lot and it's a sign of insecurity.

I don't have a lot of respect for coaches who act like that, because it points to a lot of larger issues that will eventually torpedo their career.

Agreed! Jeff Fisher sat two of his starters in the Rams' first game against the Niners because they broke curfew. But once the point was made, the case was closed. Whis needs to get over his issue or issues with John Skelton and give his players a chance to win the winnable games the rest of the season. Yesterday was not his finest hour IMO and I'm somebody who thought he deserved another year to turn things around. Now I have my doubts.

 

[az jam]

Skelton should have replaced Lindley in the 2nd half. We all know that. I have no idea what Whisenhunt was trying to prove by his stubbornness. The game was a real embarrassment for the organization.