What if.... Packers had gone for 2 points?

[Southpaw]

They would have lost by 1 rather than 6.

I think if the Pack had their full compliment of receivers they would have gone for 2. Janis and Abberderis had trouble getting open in the red zone all game.

Janis had the 1 TD catch from the 8 but the Pack struggled in the red zone overall. James Jones is their #1 red zone target and he had PP on him so he wasn't really an option either.

They throw the ball to Kuhn after he slips the block when Rodgers rolls to the right.

 

[Dude]

If you are a wuss and can't do math yes.

Or if your a 40 year old virgin that thinks madden is real football go for your playoff life.

Put down the math book and get some.

 

[conraddobler]

Or if your a 40 year old virgin that thinks madden is real football go for your playoff life.

Put down the math book and get some.

I don't play Madden, I'm not 40 or a virgin and if you want to compare if you could top some of the things I've done then you aren't pacing yourself enough.

 

[Dude]

I don't play Madden, I'm not 40 or a virgin and if you want to compare if you could top some of the things I've done then you aren't pacing yourself enough.

It's all good my man. I'm rolling with the numbers now. We have won the NFC championship game 100% of the time. I think Carolina should do the math and just forfeit. Hell we are 100% in home playoff games any virgin with a calculator knew going for two would not have mattered.

 

[mmvikes]

Haha. After the game the Packers players weren't blaming McCarthy, they were blaming the coin. And the OT rules.

 

[conraddobler]

Haha. After the game the Packers players weren't blaming McCarthy, they were blaming the coin. And the OT rules.

LOL that's pretty silly if they hate the rules so bad why let it get to that in the first place?

They are basically saying they like OT better still, coin flips, rules and all then one play from the two for all the marbles they are basically calling themselves wusses.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

They throw the ball to Kuhn after he slips the block when Rodgers rolls to the right.

Yes, but if you know it, the Cards staff knows it too and Kuhn is likely more of a primary target with Cobb and Nelson out. It could have easily worked but I can McCarthy seeing he is down to limited options and kicking.

Personally, I would have went for 2. They were already playing with house money with the two long passes and I would have rode the wave.

 

[Russ Smith]

If they had gone for 2 and got it everyone would be talking today about the blatant no calls on the 2 hail marys.

If they had and missed, everyone would saying Mccarthy should update his resume after going on 4th and not getting it and then ending the game on a failed 2 pointer.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yes, but if you know it, the Cards staff knows it too and Kuhn is likely more of a primary target with Cobb and Nelson out. It could have easily worked but I can McCarthy seeing he is down to limited options and kicking.

Personally, I would have went for 2. They were already playing with house money with the two long passes and I would have rode the wave.

That's the reason for going. When you can complete 2 long pass plays where there are BLATANT penalties on both not called, it should make you think the refs aren't going to call anything here at the end of the game.

Hell go for 2 and run a pick play they didn't call it on Jaron Brown.

The thing is if you don't get it, you might be unemployed.

 

[Broseph]

Had he gone for it and not converted everyone would be lambasting him for that decision. "Just tie the game and get the ball to Rogers in OT." I saw some GB fans criticize him for not going for 2 but I think that is unfair.

 

[kerouac9]

That's the reason for going. When you can complete 2 long pass plays where there are BLATANT penalties on both not called, it should make you think the refs aren't going to call anything here at the end of the game.

Hell go for 2 and run a pick play they didn't call it on Jaron Brown.

The thing is if you don't get it, you might be unemployed.

Nonsense. Everyone on that offense is going to stand up for McCarthy, and the has a strong, smart front office standing behind him.

I wonder if Arians would've gone for two in that situation. We've gone for two twice in the last two years and zero times this year.

 

[Southpaw]

That's the reason for going. When you can complete 2 long pass plays where there are BLATANT penalties on both not called, it should make you think the refs aren't going to call anything here at the end of the game.

Hell go for 2 and run a pick play they didn't call it on Jaron Brown.

The thing is if you don't get it, you might be unemployed.

"Ice cream is for winners" - Flo

 

[UncleChris]

Regular season sure...playoffs no way!

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I would have gone for it if it were me.

I was surprised they didn't. Packers had momentum on their side for the knock out punch and the Cards were on their heels. They had a HUGE psychological advantage after that catch. And they gave it up to play it safe.

Thank goodness.

 

[conraddobler]

Well they have a WHOLE off season to moan about OT rules and coin flips now.

I know what I would of LEAST wanted to see, everyone knows it in your soul. They line up for that two point conversion everyone would of been more afraid then if we were going to OT.

I know I am not ashamed to admit that would of scared the jebus out of me.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Lose the coin flip and never get the ball.

My math is not flawed.

Or you could take Rodgers for the win right then, he could run it, he could pass it, he could option it.

What do you want to drive an entire field to win or 2 yards?

Gotta agree with this. To me, the logical choice would have been to go for 2.

 

[Russ Smith]

Nonsense. Everyone on that offense is going to stand up for McCarthy, and the has a strong, smart front office standing behind him.

I wonder if Arians would've gone for two in that situation. We've gone for two twice in the last two years and zero times this year.

I didn't say would be unemployed I said might. He'd have had 2 huge decisions late in that game that went against them the 4th down play where we weren't even sure they were going to snap it they did and failed, and that one.

He's been the coach for 10 years, 7 times they've won 10 or more games. They won a Super Bowl. He's been coach the entire time with the highest rated QB in NFL history(Rodgers).

There's even multiple articles in Green Bay papers asking if he's to blame for the Packers not doing as well in recent playoff years.

I don't think he is I think the incredible injuries they've had at WR for example have taken away weapons from Rodgers. But Coaches in the NFL tend to get fired if they have been at the same job long enough and seem to have hit a plateau, he appears to have.

Last 5 years he's 3-5 in the postseason.

Again I think he's a terrific coach in a situation where injuries hurt that team, but I also think much of his success is who his QB is.

There is a reason the NFL moved back the XP it's because they WANT coaches to go for 2 more, yet it really hasn't happened.

 

[conraddobler]

I didn't say would be unemployed I said might. He'd have had 2 huge decisions late in that game that went against them the 4th down play where we weren't even sure they were going to snap it they did and failed, and that one.

He's been the coach for 10 years, 7 times they've won 10 or more games. They won a Super Bowl. He's been coach the entire time with the highest rated QB in NFL history(Rodgers).

There's even multiple articles in Green Bay papers asking if he's to blame for the Packers not doing as well in recent playoff years.

I don't think he is I think the incredible injuries they've had at WR for example have taken away weapons from Rodgers. But Coaches in the NFL tend to get fired if they have been at the same job long enough and seem to have hit a plateau, he appears to have.

Last 5 years he's 3-5 in the postseason.

Again I think he's a terrific coach in a situation where injuries hurt that team, but I also think much of his success is who his QB is.

There is a reason the NFL moved back the XP it's because they WANT coaches to go for 2 more, yet it really hasn't happened.

The coach fears for his job more than he fears losing. Losing with an excuse in other words beats taking a risk on not having as good an excuse even if it's a better chance to win the game it's not as safe so you do the safer thing for your job.

In hindsight this one looks easier because we know what happened if they went the traditional route.

The thing is he has no such cover because if he trys it then it's left to the imagination as to what might have been if he didn't try it and his entire fan base right or wrong is going to assume he's an idiot.

That said if you spend life worrying about what others think you're missing out on living the life you should be living.

I think Arian's has it right even if I don't agree with him on some things I wouldn't trade him.

 

[kerouac9]

I didn't say would be unemployed I said might. He'd have had 2 huge decisions late in that game that went against them the 4th down play where we weren't even sure they were going to snap it they did and failed, and that one.

He's been the coach for 10 years, 7 times they've won 10 or more games. They won a Super Bowl. He's been coach the entire time with the highest rated QB in NFL history(Rodgers).

There's even multiple articles in Green Bay papers asking if he's to blame for the Packers not doing as well in recent playoff years.

I don't think he is I think the incredible injuries they've had at WR for example have taken away weapons from Rodgers. But Coaches in the NFL tend to get fired if they have been at the same job long enough and seem to have hit a plateau, he appears to have.

Last 5 years he's 3-5 in the postseason.

Again I think he's a terrific coach in a situation where injuries hurt that team, but I also think much of his success is who his QB is.

There is a reason the NFL moved back the XP it's because they WANT coaches to go for 2 more, yet it really hasn't happened.

I don't think that Mike McCarthy is any great shakes as a head coach, and I understand that Green Bay has lost to an NFC West opponent in each of the last four playoffs, but casting aside your playoffs-proven coach for a wild card from outside the organization is never a good idea.

The only time it's kind of worked out is with Jon Gruden, who won a Super Bowl the year he replaced Dungy in Tampa, then was 45-51 over the next six seasons with two one-and-dones.

Then Tampa fires Gruden after consecutive winning seasons and on their 4th head coach in 8 years.

Organizations would be well-advised to ask not just whether their current coach deserves to keep his job as much as who they can get who would upgrade?

Are you going to hand that job to Josh McDaniels and hope for the best? When you fire the head coach, you're shuffling your entire organization. I doesn't make sense to do that over a high-variance event like three losses by a combined 15 points in the playoffs.

 

[Azlen]

I didn't say would be unemployed I said might. He'd have had 2 huge decisions late in that game that went against them the 4th down play where we weren't even sure they were going to snap it they did and failed, and that one.

He's been the coach for 10 years, 7 times they've won 10 or more games. They won a Super Bowl. He's been coach the entire time with the highest rated QB in NFL history(Rodgers).

There's even multiple articles in Green Bay papers asking if he's to blame for the Packers not doing as well in recent playoff years.

I don't think he is I think the incredible injuries they've had at WR for example have taken away weapons from Rodgers. But Coaches in the NFL tend to get fired if they have been at the same job long enough and seem to have hit a plateau, he appears to have.

Last 5 years he's 3-5 in the postseason.

Again I think he's a terrific coach in a situation where injuries hurt that team, but I also think much of his success is who his QB is.

There is a reason the NFL moved back the XP it's because they WANT coaches to go for 2 more, yet it really hasn't happened.

The big knock against him though is that he plays it too safe. This is from last year after they got beat by the Seahawks.

http://sportswire.usatoday.com/2015...ault-for-green-bay-packers-historic-collapse/

McCarthy’s conservative decision-making was a clear factor in the game, yet McCarthy isn’t willing to accept the criticism. If he’s not going to question his approach in the face of damning evidence against it, how does he expect to become a better coach? Stubbornness is the antithesis of progress.

 

[Southpaw]

Time for McCarthy to go.

Seriously though, he is wasting the talent of Rodgers. When he shifted play calling duties to Tom Clemens it was stated it would give him the ability to game manage better. Then mid season he yanks Clemens and reinstates himself to play call. How did that work out? Must be tough to quickly switch from play calling mode to bigger picture of game management. Ask Andy Reid about that. How about Sean Peyton, MIke Pettine et al. Even Arians. These guys are great play callers but are also great coaches on non game days. Maybe the minutiae of play calling detracts from their game management.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Time for McCarthy to go.

Seriously though, he is wasting the talent of Rodgers. When he shifted play calling duties to Tom Clemens it was stated it would give him the ability to game manage better. Then mid season he yanks Clemens and reinstates himself to play call. How did that work out? Must be tough to quickly switch from play calling mode to bigger picture of game management. Ask Andy Reid about that. How about Sean Peyton, MIke Pettine et al. Even Arians. These guys are great play callers but are also great coaches on non game days. Maybe the minutiae of play calling detracts from their game management.

I like McCarthy right where he is...As long as the Cards are able to beat the Pack, please do not change a thing.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't think that Mike McCarthy is any great shakes as a head coach, and I understand that Green Bay has lost to an NFC West opponent in each of the last four playoffs, but casting aside your playoffs-proven coach for a wild card from outside the organization is never a good idea.

The only time it's kind of worked out is with Jon Gruden, who won a Super Bowl the year he replaced Dungy in Tampa, then was 45-51 over the next six seasons with two one-and-dones.

Then Tampa fires Gruden after consecutive winning seasons and on their 4th head coach in 8 years.

Organizations would be well-advised to ask not just whether their current coach deserves to keep his job as much as who they can get who would upgrade?

Are you going to hand that job to Josh McDaniels and hope for the best? When you fire the head coach, you're shuffling your entire organization. I doesn't make sense to do that over a high-variance event like three losses by a combined 15 points in the playoffs.

Oh you have to know you'er getting an upgrade I'm just saying I don't think he's nearly as safe as people might think he is given his won loss record as the head coach. I think the people who make that decision understand that they can almost take 4 guys out of the crowd and put them at WR and still win 10 games because Rodgers is just that good.

They got a SB and with some breaks might have had more, the WR injuries they've had are unreal. But it is pretty easy to argue they're squandering much of Rodgers' remarkable career right now and some organizations would have already changed coaches due to that.

 

[AZCrazy]

They're in it every year. That's not sqandering, it's competitiveness.
Tom Brady went 10 years between Super Bowl wins. Peyton has only one.
You can't win the SB every other year or say that you're being 'wasted'.

Squandering is making Larry Fitz deal with Derek Anderson, John Skelton, Ryan Lindley, and Kevin Kolb for four straight years.

 

[Russ Smith]

They're in it every year. That's not sqandering, it's competitiveness.
Tom Brady went 10 years between Super Bowl wins. Peyton has only one.
You can't win the SB every other year or say that you're being 'wasted'.

Squandering is making Larry Fitz deal with Derek Anderson, John Skelton, Ryan Lindley, and Kevin Kolb for four straight years.

Check out the WR's Rodgers has been playing with the last 5 years. It's not that much better than the QB's Fitz had to play with.

Check out the Ol issues etc. Much of that is salary cap and just bad luck with injuries but McCarthy is not a great coach. He's just smart enough to let Rodgers win games for him which is good coaching, just not optimum.

Put a guy like Shanahan in charge of that offense and give him even slightly better WR's and they'd be scary. You see what he did for Elway for Plummer, even RG3 as a rookie, then give him Rodgers in his prime, scary how good they'd be.

Put Rodgers on our team and we'd probably be 15-1 and the overwhelming favorite to win the SB in 2 weeks. he's just that good.

His bad year this year is a great year for lots of QB's.